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Anthony Davis signs five-year contract extension

Originally posted by pdizo916:
i think that the G position is easily replaceable. I don't want to see Iupati go, but if it comes down to crabs and Iupati, I rather keep Crabs.

Yes and no. Its easy to find a capable guard. Its hard to find a guard on the level of Iupati. IMO i would probably resign Iupati over crabtree. It is simply more important to keep the chemistry and core of the offensive line together long term for stability and chemistry than it is to resign a wr. If he was top 5, or even top ten WR, than maybe,but as of right now he is barely scratching top 15 WR's. The thing that will ensure long term success for this team is making sure we stay strong in the trenches. Right now we have a very strong arguement for the #1 offensive line in the league. I would personally like to keep it that way for the next decade.
Originally posted by DRUSTOPO:
Originally posted by ghostrider:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Crabtree runs a 4.50 forty. He's not a deep threat that can seperate and jump over corners. He's a possession, move the chains, reciever who is very good but is not a homerun threat. Crab does his work underneath the coverage. A #1 works over the top of the coverage. Those are the one's that get paid like #1's.

Forgive me 'Zone for actually saying it out loud, but Crabtree reminds me of Michael Irvin. Fast enough to go deep if he has to but not fast enough to do it every down (a la young Randy Moss), strong hands, gets open, physical, moves the chains, etc.

Letting Crabtree walk would be a huge mistake for us—especially considering the rapport he has with Kap.

May not have a choice. With the amount we are paying our long term guys like Pat, Bow, VDavis, ADavis...plus the contact we will need to give Iupati, Aldon..and of course the 20M per Kaep is going to get, I just cant see how we will be able to meet Crabs demands since he will want to be paid like a top 3 WR after the next two years of dominance ( make no mistake, Kaep is gonna make him into a star in 2013 + 2014! ) We would have to pay him at or damn close to 10M per year, just not sure we can pull it off unless the Cap jumps up big time in 2015. Crabs does not strike me as a guy who will take a hometown discount.
Only 2-3 QB's in the League get 20 mil per season. Kaep won't get that much.
We need to sign Iupati next.
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We need to sign Iupati next.

Not sure about next, but yes we should sign soon.

As it stands now,(after the extension of Davis), Kaepernick, Iupati, Smith, Crabtree, Hunter, Culliver, Miller, and Kilgore will become free agents in 2015.

Kaepernick can not be extended, yet.

Aldon Smith is an obvious player to extend, but we might be able to push his free agency back a year, to 2016.

Aldon was signed under the new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA).

The CBA gives the teams the option to extend the contract of a player drafted in the first round one more year.

The team would have exercise this option after Aldon's third season--next year.

This option would add a year to his contract and thus making him a free agent in 2016, not 2015.

His salary for this added year would be the average of the salaries of the top ten players at his position.

Exercising this option might make to easier to sign more of the other players who will become free agents in 2015.

I want to stress the word might in the above sentence.
[ Edited by buck on Apr 5, 2013 at 5:55 PM ]
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We need to sign Iupati next.

Not sure about next, but yes we should sign soon.

Aldon Smith might be next.

Kaepernick can not be extended, yet.

I expect Crabtree to reach free agency and, like Goldson, sign somewhere else.

Crabtree is probably going to leave. And he's a bit slow anyway so I think it's ok. Plus he had only 1 good year. I wouldn't give huge money to Crabtree. Kaep can't get extended right now. He played 10 games. Who is to say he is as good in year 2? I hope he is. But we need more time in and proven play.
Davis is a tackle so he needed extension and Aldon and Kaep are no brainers. Crabtree is a top 10 WR right now I believe. In our division he is 2nd best. In our conference he is probably top 5. Further more he makes plays for Kaep. I hope we can afford him
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by pdizo916:
i think that the G position is easily replaceable. I don't want to see Iupati go, but if it comes down to crabs and Iupati, I rather keep Crabs.

Yes and no. Its easy to find a capable guard. Its hard to find a guard on the level of Iupati. IMO i would probably resign Iupati over crabtree. It is simply more important to keep the chemistry and core of the offensive line together long term for stability and chemistry than it is to resign a wr. If he was top 5, or even top ten WR, than maybe,but as of right now he is barely scratching top 15 WR's. The thing that will ensure long term success for this team is making sure we stay strong in the trenches. Right now we have a very strong arguement for the #1 offensive line in the league. I would personally like to keep it that way for the next decade.

Crabtree's productivity with Kaepernick as his QB was on par with a top 5 WR. Definitely top 10, no question. In 10 games with Kaepernick (including postseason), he put up 880 yards and 8 TDs. If you extrapolate that to 16 games, he would be on pace for around 1,400 yards and about 13 TDs. That would place him 5th in yards and tied for 2nd in TDs. Obviously, there are too many variables to assume he will be on pace for those numbers in 2013, but the point is - with Kaep as his QB - he has produced like a top WR in the league so far.
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by pdizo916:
i think that the G position is easily replaceable. I don't want to see Iupati go, but if it comes down to crabs and Iupati, I rather keep Crabs.

Yes and no. Its easy to find a capable guard. Its hard to find a guard on the level of Iupati. IMO i would probably resign Iupati over crabtree. It is simply more important to keep the chemistry and core of the offensive line together long term for stability and chemistry than it is to resign a wr. If he was top 5, or even top ten WR, than maybe,but as of right now he is barely scratching top 15 WR's. The thing that will ensure long term success for this team is making sure we stay strong in the trenches. Right now we have a very strong arguement for the #1 offensive line in the league. I would personally like to keep it that way for the next decade.

Crabtree's productivity with Kaepernick as his QB was on par with a top 5 WR. Definitely top 10, no question. In 10 games with Kaepernick (including postseason), he put up 880 yards and 8 TDs. If you extrapolate that to 16 games, he would be on pace for around 1,400 yards and about 13 TDs. That would place him 5th in yards and tied for 2nd in TDs. Obviously, there are too many variables to assume he will be on pace for those numbers in 2013, but the point is - with Kaep as his QB - he has produced like a top WR in the league so far.


Considering that we throw the ball half as much as other teams (like the Lions), those numbers are very close to elite WR numbers, like CJ and Fitz.
The fact that we don't throw the ball as much lowers his value a bit for us, but like you said, 5th in yards and 2nd in TDs on a run first team is pretty special.
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I think we should try and resign Crab as early as possible.. that would indicate if he wants to stay in SF or not.. if he shows no sign of wanting to stay, then we should invest in a WR in this draft.
Originally posted by Beeker:
Resign EREBODY!!!!!

....and move them to FS!
Originally posted by KegBert:
....and move them to FS!

THIS!!!!
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i think crabs is the low man on my totem pole of people to resign. nothing against him but ck is the cornerstone, he can make alot of people look good and since the offensive line is the key to everything you put priority on that
Originally posted by SFrush:
Only 2-3 QB's in the League get 20 mil per season. Kaep won't get that much.


Those contracts are only setting the benchmark for future contracts.

With players like Stafford and Eli Manning making 20 million in 2013, and players like Flacco, Romo, and Brees making well over that in 2014+ do you really think Kap's agent is going to fall asleep at the wheel when its time to renew his contract in 2014?

Heck, Phillip Rivers is nearly making 20 million (17.1). You think Kap's agent is seriously going to ask for, what, 16 million?
It looks like Staley is way underpaid as a LT now.
Originally posted by cciowa:
i think crabs is the low man on my totem pole of people to resign. nothing against him but ck is the cornerstone, he can make alot of people look good and since the offensive line is the key to everything you put priority on that


I think good football players should be the priority.
Tim Brown, Jerry Rice, Cris Carter; no speed, but they were the cornerstones of their teams passing games. They were good no matter what quarterback was throwing them the ball. Crabtree is that type of player. This is important because it means that he will be good later on in his career too, because he doesn't depend on his youth and his raw speed to make things happen.
(For those who are enamored by speed, you should be clamoring for us to sign a guy named Ted Ginn, he is really really fast. Wow, look at him run.)

Iupati is another good athlete, but as I said when they were drafted, I thought Anthony Davis could become the better player in a few years. Iupati still relies heavily on raw strength and athleticism, Davis is a better technician than him at this point. As Davis continues to improve, look for him to be our top lineman in the next year or two.
As Iupati gets older (like Randy Moss), he will no longer be able to rely on pure power and movement ability. This is why I prefer to sign the good football players over the good athletes. The good football players (Crabtree) have a longer shelf life.
[ Edited by BrianGO on Apr 5, 2013 at 7:39 PM ]
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