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Goodwin vs Kilgore vs Looney

I've seen him projected between early 2nd to late fourth...so may be he will be avaible at 61.he would be a good pick up because of his versatility(he played RG , LT and C for Bama)
Hé could slide a little because of his lis franc injury.
Originally posted by Beeker:
Originally posted by tatayoyo:
I would'nt be shocked if they select barret Jones from Alabama with pick n°61, who could Play all 5 positions on the line and make him the starting center as a rookie (and allow them to release goodwin)

I'm fairly confident Barrett Jones doesn't make it past the 1st round. Someone will pick him up.

Many scouting reports on Jones indicate he has maxed out his potential and may not be able to adjust to the NFL as an effective OC. They mention his superb technical game and lack of power to support this. Any thoughts?
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Mar 29, 2013 at 2:27 PM ]
There is no doubt that Barrett has to get stronger to avoid injury and to handle a 16 game schedule at the next level. Right now, Barrett is struggling with the lack of strength and is more of a finesse style blocker when run blocking. Some teams will not like that and it will affect where he is drafted. Because of his lack of strength playing the center position, he will get pushed back into the backfield in the NFL. He won't be able to fire out and get into his combo blocks quickly enough. He also has to learn to stay with his blocks longer. All of these issues can be quickly corrected with a good strength program and settling in at one position. He will need some time to get bigger and stronger or the injuries will keep him off the field.

It.s from Drew boylart of thehuddlereport, and this Guy Israël usually spot on
Is usually spot on....sorry
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Many scouting reports on Jones indicate he has maxed out his potential and may not be able to adjust to the NFL as an effective OC. They mention his superb technical game and lack of power to support this. Any thoughts?


Originally posted by tatayoyo:
There is no doubt that Barrett has to get stronger to avoid injury and to handle a 16 game schedule at the next level. Right now, Barrett is struggling with the lack of strength and is more of a finesse style blocker when run blocking. Some teams will not like that and it will affect where he is drafted. Because of his lack of strength playing the center position, he will get pushed back into the backfield in the NFL. He won't be able to fire out and get into his combo blocks quickly enough. He also has to learn to stay with his blocks longer. All of these issues can be quickly corrected with a good strength program and settling in at one position. He will need some time to get bigger and stronger or the injuries will keep him off the field.

It.s from Drew boylart of thehuddlereport, and this Guy Israël usually spot on

Maybe he WILL fall to the bottom 2nd/early 3rd.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Looney and Kilgore are expected to step up. I like them both. Can't discount the possibility of Goodwin taking a paycut to stay on further.

What would be the point of making Goodwin take a pay cut to stay on further? look at the ramifications:

  1. Affects team morale. Other players will take offense at the poor treatment of Goodwin. Other players will begin to have doubts about whether they can play out their contracts without getting forced into a situation where they have to take a pay cut. This pay-cut will foster dissent among the players.
  2. It means guaranted money will go towards a risky signing like Woodson or Asomugha. If we need to clear millions, that could be the only reason. But this is the worst time to put guaranteed money into those types of risky acquisitions. Goodwin offers more to this team at this point and he is a solid player and known quantity. Cutting his salary to tie up long term money into a risk like Woodson is what bad teams do. Dont expect to see any big signings over the next few years until we get our critical players signed long term.
  3. A slap in the face to a battle hardened veteran. This guy came to us as a veteren FA. Now he is a solid starter on the leagues best o-line. Is our FO incapable of making it through a 3 year contract before they start asking for money back? Players and their agents will note this and our team will get a reputation as indian givers. Its acceptable to ask for a pay cut if a player is injured, for risk avoidance purposes, but not when a player on a reasonable contract. Goodwin is being paid what he deserves.

It is possible that Kilgore or Looney can beat out Goodwin. In order to beat out a solid and established veteran, the young player would essentially have to be on a pretty amazing career trajectory; like future all-pro. It would be great if it happened, but its unlikely. I suspect the more likely scenario is that Kilgore and/or Looney look good in TC and pre-season, but sit for one more year.
Originally posted by tatayoyo:
There is no doubt that Barrett has to get stronger to avoid injury and to handle a 16 game schedule at the next level. Right now, Barrett is struggling with the lack of strength and is more of a finesse style blocker when run blocking. Some teams will not like that and it will affect where he is drafted. Because of his lack of strength playing the center position, he will get pushed back into the backfield in the NFL. He won't be able to fire out and get into his combo blocks quickly enough. He also has to learn to stay with his blocks longer. All of these issues can be quickly corrected with a good strength program and settling in at one position. He will need some time to get bigger and stronger or the injuries will keep him off the field.

It.s from Drew boylart of thehuddlereport, and this Guy Israël usually spot on

When I read that he was consistently rocked back, allowing the pocket to collapse, as a college player; it makes me nervous and wonder if Looney and Kilgore are further along. Not saying this is the case, as I do like the fact that he has mastered the fundamentals of his position and is a true technician, just wondering out loud!
Originally posted by nannite:
What would be the point of making Goodwin take a pay cut to stay on further? look at the ramifications:

  1. Affects team morale. Other players will take offense at the poor treatment of Goodwin. Other players will begin to have doubts about whether they can play out their contracts without getting forced into a situation where they have to take a pay cut. This pay-cut will foster dissent among the players.
  2. It means guaranted money will go towards a risky signing like Woodson or Asomugha. If we need to clear millions, that could be the only reason. But this is the worst time to put guaranteed money into those types of risky acquisitions. Goodwin offers more to this team at this point and he is a solid player and known quantity. Cutting his salary to tie up long term money into a risk like Woodson is what bad teams do. Dont expect to see any big signings over the next few years until we get our critical players signed long term.
  3. A slap in the face to a battle hardened veteran. This guy came to us as a veteren FA. Now he is a solid starter on the leagues best o-line. Is our FO incapable of making it through a 3 year contract before they start asking for money back? Players and their agents will note this and our team will get a reputation as indian givers. Its acceptable to ask for a pay cut if a player is injured, for risk avoidance purposes, but not when a player on a reasonable contract. Goodwin is being paid what he deserves.
It is possible that Kilgore or Looney can beat out Goodwin. In order to beat out a solid and established veteran, the young player would essentially have to be on a pretty amazing career trajectory; like future all-pro. It would be great if it happened, but its unlikely. I suspect the more likely scenario is that Kilgore and/or Looney look good in TC and pre-season, but sit for one more year.

He may not have taken a pay cut but much of your post sounded like what happened to A. Smith last year and what people thought would happen as a result of that. All i am trying to say by pointing this out is regardless of weather Goodwin takes a pay cut this year or not all plater including Goodwin know how Harbaugh works at this point. That is that Harbaugh will put in one of the younger players if he thinks he will out perform Goodwin on the field. That is just how Harbaugh works and the situation between Kaep and A. Smith last year is exhibit A especially since it happened at the most important position on the field. Goodwin in training camp will have to show that he is still a better option than both Looney and Kilgore and if he no longer is he at the very least will be riding the bench Alex Smith style.
Originally posted by ninerfan1984:
He may not have taken a pay cut but much of your post sounded like what happened to A. Smith last year and what people thought would happen as a result of that. All i am trying to say by pointing this out is regardless of weather Goodwin takes a pay cut this year or not all plater including Goodwin know how Harbaugh works at this point. That is that Harbaugh will put in one of the younger players if he thinks he will out perform Goodwin on the field. That is just how Harbaugh works and the situation between Kaep and A. Smith last year is exhibit A especially since it happened at the most important position on the field. Goodwin in training camp will have to show that he is still a better option than both Looney and Kilgore and if he no longer is he at the very least will be riding the bench Alex Smith style.

It would be great if Looney or Kilgore beat out Goodwin. But I don't see it happening unless Looney is really, really good. Even then, I don't see Goodwin getting cut.
Since I haven't seen Kilgore or Looney take any snaps at center I can't say.

Can any of you guys with all the opinions, especially the ones who want to draft someone, steer me to the facts that lead you that that opinion?

If either of these guys [Looney/Kilgore] can take over the position then we can use the pick elsewhere.

My gut feeling [No Proof] is that either of the two will be the Center AFTER Goodwin's deal is done.
Kilgore is 26 in December if he can't show that he's at least close to taking over for a soon to be 35 year old center by the end of pre season then...
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Since I haven't seen Kilgore or Looney take any snaps at center I can't say.

Can any of you guys with all the opinions, especially the ones who want to draft someone, steer me to the facts that lead you that that opinion?

If either of these guys [Looney/Kilgore] can take over the position then we can use the pick elsewhere.

My gut feeling [No Proof] is that either of the two will be the Center AFTER Goodwin's deal is done.

Hope the last sentence is the case--it would really help set up the draft better if they only had to worry about WR and TE on offense. But I don't think folks are saying they can't take over at center, they (I) just believe who Baalke and Harbaugh draft will tell the tale as to how happy they are with their back ups. Same with S and every position. If they draft a center in the top three rounds it will be interesting. This is an important position that many do not give enough attention. It's not always how the guy plays physically but how he sets the line, makes calls, etc. That's where a guy who played center in college might have an advantage over Looney and Kilgore...and where Barrett may be much better than his scouting reports indicate.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Mar 30, 2013 at 10:45 AM ]
Good call dtg.

Man, I can't wait for the draft to get here.
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Originally posted by ParkingLotPimpin:
He don't shower doe so Kap is only gonna be in Shotgun and Pistol formation

Can't wait to see Looney compete during training camp and pre-season.

Mayock liked him when we drafted him in the fourth last year.

If he hadn't broken his foot, he was projected in the third, while Mayock's 2 best centers in this years draft are projected according to MadDog's Big Board in the fourth and fifth:
#98 Travis Frederick
#126 Brian Schwenke

But I couldn't find any game tape on him.