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Is Baalke waiting for Asomugha and Woodsons price to drop?

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Man, this is soooo different than the bad old days, where lilmikeynoln couldn't get anyone to even consider coming here. Then with no DL, no OL, he brings in Nate the great for a basket of $$. Unfortunately, Nate was not a shut down corner on a team with nothing else in the D backfield. He tackled a lot but he didn't shut down anybody, ever. Now is a totally different feel....guys , old guys, younger guys, with sizable contracts, suddenly want to come here. Heck yeah, I would too. Point is our men , JH and trent, have had us in Playoffs then in SB....and everybody with an expiring contract knows it. This is like during the BW yrs, when everybody seemed to want to come here. It feels good...real good. Kinda why i get a bit peeved when some WZers rain all over JH. Man the guy is a magnet for good players who want to come here if $$ are right. At least we now get a sniff, even if we aren't paying what guys like revis wants. Point is, this IS the place to be...and NFL players are fully aware of that. Thank you Coach..and trent.

Excellent post.

This only occurs because the team has used FA for what it's for - adding a couple of key pieces here and there. Building your team through the draft and then identifying what players you want to keep by extending them EARLY and the letting them go when they want too much because you e either drafted or will draft their replacement. This is the Bill Walsh philosophy on its side where you're always developing a key starters replacement and replacing a player before his skills have completely waned. The salary cap forces teams to really assess their vets. In today's NFL an extension is better than FA. Job security to a degree. Baalke gets it. Harbaugh does too and this staff is all about development. If you're not improving, someone will take your job in a couple years. Tha
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
The secondary, IMO, was exposed when Justin went down in the Pats game and was NEVER the same. That's why we need to address DLine in a very big way in the draft. What happens if he goes down in game one and Ray Mac gets hurt?

That said, I think it could be a couple of things in play:

a). Trent is trying to clear cap room so he can sign one of them on a price that has been spoken about OR

b). He is just waiting them out as the market settles.

VERY tough call. It would be great to get both, Asso for 2+ years - and we'll just have to wait and see.
What happens if Kaep goes down? Crabtree, VD, or Boldin?
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PaulHofer - I don't know exactly what will happen if Kap goes down or the others you mentioned.

I DO KNOW what will happen if Justin goes down again [unless we get some new people] - Our pass rush will suck, Aldo wan't be as effective and our D will be totally gassed by mid season.
That's why, BPA, if DL is there, (or CB or S) we snap them up. With Dallas, Indy and Chicago having 15 picks between them, the likelihood of us moving up is virtually asssured. Then if 3 teams take QBs for need in rd 1...and i think they will...that moves our #31 pick up to BPA #28. It also means the 34th pick becomes a 31st pick, and that is with doing no trading, just 3 or 4 teams reaching for some very good 2nd and 3rd rd QBs in rd 1. No way we burn thru 14 picks. Right now we have 5 in top 96, and chances for moving up are great, so DL, CB, and S are all going to have a shot at some great talent....paid for by as many as 6 or 8 of our 14 picks. I think we get that DL, CB and S...and all will be pretty close to starters...if not outright starters. We also get an OL who will be eventual starter. WRs i think will be our late picks, unless somehow, Tavon drops way down, which seems impossible.
I really wouldn't be surprised if we signed Asomugha and turned him into a FS. The only way playing him at corner would make any sense is if we cut Carlos Rogers and I think it makes no sense to cut Carlos Rogers right now. The bottom line is our top-3 corners are still a really, really good trio of corners. We were amongst the best in the league in fewest passing yards allowed (and it's not like that's because teams just wanted to run the ball on us all day like why the Jets have a good ranking there) and only Pittsburgh allowed fewer yards/attempt. You don't do that with sucky corners. We could have played better in certain spots in the postseason, but let's also remember that not only were we playing some incredibly dynamic pass offenses in the playoffs as well, we were doing it with the Smiths (arguably the 2 most valuable players on the team and certainly the 2 most vital members of our pass defense) severely limited. Hopefully Justin makes a complete recovery though and is able to fend off father time for at least another year. It could obviously be a concern that he's gonna be 34, but let's hope it's not.
I think Baalke and HARBAUGH are doing a HELLL of a Job!! They took over the 49er franchise that had talent but no leadership and direction and completely transformed the team into LEGIT contenders and YOUNg and Fast! I am soo stoked, I wasn't in love with the Jenkins drafting but who knows, if Baalke liked him then he probably is a good fit, he just needs reps and strenghth. In Jim and Trent B I trust!!
Neither side is in a rush. NA is going to wait to see after the draft when teams react to what they didn't get and need. The niners will wait for the same reason, even then there is no rush or need to get into a bidding war since they already have Carlos. Besides NA has to prove himself, his stats even though it was in a system that was not to his benefit were dismal. The price has to be right and if they don't want to be here unless the money is right then you don't want them, because you want guys that want to win and are about team. You come here and prove yourself, then you will be rewarded later either by the niners or another team with a fatter contract.

Too many fans want them signed simply because of name recognition and not thinking if they are still good enough for our team and if the price is right.
The 49ers may not have an offer for Namdi or Woodsen at this point. It's curious that nobody has picked them up. They are at least serviceable at worst, at best they play like they have played in the past. I wonder if the 49ers are waiting to see if they can sign a DE first?

Curious.
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Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
The secondary, IMO, was exposed when Justin went down in the Pats game and was NEVER the same. That's why we need to address DLine in a very big way in the draft. What happens if he goes down in game one and Ray Mac gets hurt?

That said, I think it could be a couple of things in play:

a). Trent is trying to clear cap room so he can sign one of them on a price that has been spoken about OR

b). He is just waiting them out as the market settles.

VERY tough call. It would be great to get both, Asso for 2+ years - and we'll just have to wait and see.
What happens if Kaep goes down? Crabtree, VD, or Boldin?

What happens if Willis goes down? Brooks, Bowman or Aldon? An average QB could light up that secondary like a forest fire....
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Originally posted by fister30:
The 49ers may not have an offer for Namdi or Woodsen at this point. It's curious that nobody has picked them up. They are at least serviceable at worst, at best they play like they have played in the past. I wonder if the 49ers are waiting to see if they can sign a DE first?

Curious.

I'm probably one of the few that don't want them to sign a free agent DE, that's the position I hope they go in the draft. I also think Nnamdi is mulling over his decision and probably knows this is his last decent contract he will be getting, so it makes the decision even harder to make.
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Originally posted by fister30:
The 49ers may not have an offer for Namdi or Woodsen at this point. It's curious that nobody has picked them up. They are at least serviceable at worst, at best they play like they have played in the past. I wonder if the 49ers are waiting to see if they can sign a DE first?

Curious.
or perhaps the niners believe they can do better, especially in regards to woodson, in the draft.
There are at least three or four corners in the draft who are on the taller side that specialize in physical press coverage and who will be available in the second and third rounds. They're probably in the process of analyzing these players before they take a chance on Asomugha. If they get someone who can do what Asomugha can do in the draft, they get a player for at least a few years at the lowest possible cost.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'm probably one of the few that don't want them to sign a free agent DE, that's the position I hope they go in the draft. I also think Nnamdi is mulling over his decision and probably knows this is his last decent contract he will be getting, so it makes the decision even harder to make.

We can do both. We could get a free agent like Idonije and a rookie to go on top of Smith, Dorsey, McDonald, Williams, and Tukuafu
Originally posted by GNielsen:
There are at least three or four corners in the draft who are on the taller side that specialize in physical press coverage and who will be available in the second and third rounds. They're probably in the process of analyzing these players before they take a chance on Asomugha. If they get someone who can do what Asomugha can do in the draft, they get a player for at least a few years at the lowest possible cost.

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