There are 161 users in the forums

Remember
Not a member? Register Now!

A Look at the dreaded 2015 offseason (WebZone exclusive)

The idea of "extending" player's contracts is not the easy solution some think it is. It takes both parties to agree to extend a contract. The players and their agents are not dumb. They see what can happen in free agency. If a player is good, he will want to test the market. Who thought RJF would be able to sign what he signed for? Why would Crabtree sign an extension unless it was close to what Wallace signed for?

Besides, the 49ers have shown that loyalty is a one-sided street. A long contract means nothing if you get hurt. You will probably be cut before you are able to receive the benefits of the remaining years on your contract. The salary cap was simply designed to keep strong teams from getting too strong.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by BayArea:
I have a bad feeling he will end up with a Flacco contract especially if he wins a superbowl. Flacco just f**ked the market up. Imagine the contract that Aaron Rodgers is going to get now.

There's already been rumblings that Rodgers' next deal will pay him $25 mil per year.

I don't think it will come to that. No player is worth a 5th of the cap. Look at what we have done the last 2 years mostly with Alex Smith, while teams with high priced QBs like Denver, NO, NE, GB, etc have all failed to meet expectations.

QBs won't be making $25M per year until the salary cap shoots up significantly.
Originally posted by BayArea:
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
Originally posted by robniner:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by robniner:
Now you know why Trent is picking and choosing his spending; what lies ahead in the coming years.

I hope those criticizing him can finally understand.


Agreed. People need to quit hating on Baalke for the signings, we don't have the luxury of having cap space out our ass like Tampa, and Cincy and Cleveland each year. We have a solid team, we wont lose much without Delanie, Dashon, RJF and Sopoaga, we will get back up, play our hearts out and compete for a Super Bowl again.

I get sick of the Baalke knows what he is doing, he is the GM for a reason, he isn't stupid like MCclueless, who spent and spent for no reason. This isn't The Yorks being cheap, this is being smart. The cap is flat, we need to worry about Kap, Aldon, Crabs, Iupati and Anthony in 2015, and hope Justin comes back.

I know this is about the Niners, but speaking of McClueless, do you think his offseason moves will screw Seattle in a couple years or will they be able to work it out? Hopefully the off season championship they just won will send them into cap hell.


They seem to be going all in. Giving out big deals to Harvin is a mistake, Avril is a good DE, but still a nice sized deal. They will have headaches also. Earl Thomas, Brandon Browner, and Richard Sherman will need extensions same as our guys, plus Wilson. So they have cap issues to worry about in future, around same time as us.

Don't forget, they will have to pay Russell Wilson big money so they could find themselves in a Joe Flacco/Matt Ryan situation.

Don't forget Kap. Let's all hope since he is a local boy he will go easy on the Niner cap with a nice contract that doesn't bankrupt us..

I have a bad feeling he will end up with a Flacco contract especially if he wins a superbowl. Flacco just f**ked the market up. Imagine the contract that Aaron Rodgers is going to get now.

Kaep won't klll the Cap.
Originally posted by blm7754:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by BayArea:
I have a bad feeling he will end up with a Flacco contract especially if he wins a superbowl. Flacco just f**ked the market up. Imagine the contract that Aaron Rodgers is going to get now.

There's already been rumblings that Rodgers' next deal will pay him $25 mil per year.

I don't think it will come to that. No player is worth a 5th of the cap. Look at what we have done the last 2 years mostly with Alex Smith, while teams with high priced QBs like Denver, NO, NE, GB, etc have all failed to meet expectations.

QBs won't be making $25M per year until the salary cap shoots up significantly.

Stupid FO's will continue to overpay average QB's because it's "the most important position". And then you have teams like Tampa Bay that overpay at all the other positions and place themselves in cap hell repeatedly.It's starting to dawn on some of the older players now that the cap is definitely NOT their friend. Teams are starting to see how the Patriots have done it, and what the 49ers are doing, and they're going ... hmmm ...., that's kinda smart.
I know that a lot of our players will get resigned, but still seems depressing just the thought of potentially losing some of these guys.
  • dj43
  • Veteran
  • Posts: 20,155
Like any good business, there are places you have to spend more money than others. The LOS is the most important, especially on offense. If you control the opponent there, the QB has time to find a receiver and the RBs have room to run. Consequently it is critical to keep the chemistry and those guys up front. QB is also important, more so than WR. As more and more college teams begin to run the spread offense with more passing, the days of Cornhusker football are over. There will be plenty of WRs coming along to replace guys who think they are worth more than a cap will allow. As others have stated, RBs are more plentiful and less expensive. If the OL is doing its job, the RBs do not have to be Barry Sanders reincarnate.

Defense also depends on the front 7 so pay the pass rushers and the key LBs while rotating big guys along the DL. DBs, as we are learning, are no longer getting bank breaking deals. Like WRs, the college passing game is developing quality DBs. Don't overpay for them.

Finally, and most importantly, pay position coaches well. They are the guys who teach the fine points and develop players. The one area in which Harbaugh has been far superior to Nolan and Singletary is in attracting and keeping quality position coaches. A good coach can make an otherwise mediocre player look very good.

That, and drafting well will keep a team competitive and under the cap.
Originally posted by dj43:
Like any good business, there are places you have to spend more money than others. The LOS is the most important, especially on offense. If you control the opponent there, the QB has time to find a receiver and the RBs have room to run. Consequently it is critical to keep the chemistry and those guys up front. QB is also important, more so than WR. As more and more college teams begin to run the spread offense with more passing, the days of Cornhusker football are over. There will be plenty of WRs coming along to replace guys who think they are worth more than a cap will allow. As others have stated, RBs are more plentiful and less expensive. If the OL is doing its job, the RBs do not have to be Barry Sanders reincarnate.

Defense also depends on the front 7 so pay the pass rushers and the key LBs while rotating big guys along the DL. DBs, as we are learning, are no longer getting bank breaking deals. Like WRs, the college passing game is developing quality DBs. Don't overpay for them.

Finally, and most importantly, pay position coaches well. They are the guys who teach the fine points and develop players. The one area in which Harbaugh has been far superior to Nolan and Singletary is in attracting and keeping quality position coaches. A good coach can make an otherwise mediocre player look very good.

That, and drafting well will keep a team competitive and under the cap.

And now you know ......



The rest of the story ....



Good day!
Originally posted by excelsior:
The idea of "extending" player's contracts is not the easy solution some think it is. It takes both parties to agree to extend a contract. The players and their agents are not dumb. They see what can happen in free agency. If a player is good, he will want to test the market. Who thought RJF would be able to sign what he signed for? Why would Crabtree sign an extension unless it was close to what Wallace signed for?

Besides, the 49ers have shown that loyalty is a one-sided street. A long contract means nothing if you get hurt. You will probably be cut before you are able to receive the benefits of the remaining years on your contract. The salary cap was simply designed to keep strong teams from getting too strong.


New England always looks at everything in two year increments. Can this player help me win in the next two years?? Truly the Niners only have one player to worry about, CK7, someone they will have to pay. Unfortunately or fortunately they cannot sign CK7 to an extension as you cannot renogiate a rookie deal until after year three.

They have the deck stacked in their favor,

2013- under contract
2014- under contract- but should renogiate this year, as he will have motivation for the big pay day.
2015- FA- but would be a Franchise player
2016 - FA- but could be a franchise player with a 20% bump.

Of the list of must have players. I think OL could be the area where they cannot re sign both Iupati and David. Sucks but my prediction.
VERY good post.

Another reason why this draft and the next one will be so crucial.
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
VERY good post.

Another reason why this draft and the next one will be so crucial.


And this is why you need to be drafting the following.

Justin Smiths replacement- enough said
Starting TE- Will be the #2, and eventually #1 if VD cannot be resigned when his contract is done.
OT- If Davis is too expensive, RT can be had in the draft.
Guard- If Iupati is too expensive, draft and groom his replacement.
Crabtree- Gotta love him, but the Steelers, Packers, Patriots know, WR's come and go.


I want to keep ALL of the above, but Baalke and company need to find suitable solutions for next man up.
Originally posted by KID9R:
Isn't the salary-cap supposed to take a pretty big jump in a couple years when the new TV deal comes in?

Not for awhile, supposed to remain flat through 2016.
Originally posted by excelsior:
The idea of "extending" player's contracts is not the easy solution some think it is. It takes both parties to agree to extend a contract. The players and their agents are not dumb. They see what can happen in free agency. If a player is good, he will want to test the market. Who thought RJF would be able to sign what he signed for? Why would Crabtree sign an extension unless it was close to what Wallace signed for?

Besides, the 49ers have shown that loyalty is a one-sided street. A long contract means nothing if you get hurt. You will probably be cut before you are able to receive the benefits of the remaining years on your contract. The salary cap was simply designed to keep strong teams from getting too strong.

You've nailed it! We have built a great roster up to this point but things will only get harder from here on. Its so much easier to keep talent when your on the way up than it is to keep a roster staked once you've reached the mountain top.

Players are gonna want to get paid! Its only natural and easy to understand since they have very short careers. There is zero chance we keep all of our young pro bowl players going forward. Teams are gonna cherry pick the hell out of our roster over the next 3 years!

Better draft well this year with all of those picks cause were are gonna need those guys to fill some big shoes.
You know half of those guys will be resigned before the 2015 offseason. If the Niners still want them, Baalke will get the contracts done.
Crabtree will be gone
Crabtree will NOT be gone. This is of course the reason they weren't going to give Goldson $8 million a year and they weren't going to be shelling out millions for expensive free agents. The point of all that was so they could keep players like Crabtree. The team that's going to have a huge problem is the Seahawks. They're going to have about 10 players they really need to keep and they'll be lucky to have the money to keep two or three of them. By that time, they'll be paying Harvin over $12 million a year or, if he's been injured, they'll be out for $27 million in dead money. They're screwed. That's why they're going for it so desperately this season.