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2013 Team Needs - Updates

Originally posted by NCommand:
FYI: Great news about Crabtree. Man, I still think there is no way he comes back this year reviewing Hunter's 8 1/2 month return schedule but you've got to admit, he REALLY seems to be ahead of schedule thus far.

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2013/09/crabtree-ready-for-seahawks-rematch-it-sure-seems-possible.html

Great news!!!!

I missed this article as I've been avoiding all media outlets the past 2 weeks.



Current Interests/Needs (in order of importance IMHO) - Note that top tier = higher need & second tier = secondary need (some breathing room). If a need is labeled top tier, it could also indicate the large drop off in talent from a starter to the next-man-up.

Top Tier T - We needed a "swing T" so we got three: Carter Bykowski and Luke Marquardt (PUP) and we brought back Adam Snyder. That said, Marquardt is on the NFI list, Bykowski was cut and NOBODY wants Snyder to be the backside blocker for CK (hand injury as well). Worse off, if there is another injury to Staley, we may have to mess with the chemistry along the entire OL and move Boone from RG to T (not easy to adjust to on the fly) and insert someone else at RG (2 of 5 positions); that would be Looney (LG) or Kilgore. This is NOT good. We still have a major hole here IMHO. I'm waiting for us to pick up a veteran LT...
Top Tier Cover SS - It's safe to say the FO got their man in Reid at FS. Dahl seems like a viable backup at both SS/FS and will also help a ton on ST. That said, Whitner still can't cover esp. in the RZ and looks even slower to me so far in pre season; so scheme will have to be the theme for 2013 here. Fangio is going to have to put Reid 1on1 on the Boldin's and tall slot TE's of the world. That said, he didn't do that with Goldson, so why would he with Reid? Nothing else to report here save for Spillman and perhaps, Robinson (if he even makes it; short as well). We shouldn't have to rely solely on the pass rush esp. in the RZ where passes are typically made less than a 3-step drop and right down the middle of the field (I'm looking at you Whitner and the underneath coverage of Willis/Bowman!).
Top Kickoff Coverage Unit/Ace Kick-Punt Returner - Our best gunners this pre season by far were Lockette, Morris and Osgood. All are gone. And Moore may not be playing gunner on ST either if he isa primary WR. This is an ignored area of concern and it cost us in the (NFCCG and Superbowl) and it still affected us greatly in pre season. Cox has looked better than James (injured) but nobody would classify him as "dynamic/electric" and nobody fears him taking it to the house every time he touches the ball (like we do against every team we face, it seems). While some teams have 2 dynamic returners, we can't seem to find one. Now Patton is being tried out, Williams is back but hasn't taken a snap all pre season and Hawkins was cut; he looked like the only real viable "dynamic" returner who has some "it" to him. We seem to have good interior guys but not lightning speed outside. Spillman and Brock will rack up the tackles again on the outside but these are the same two gunners as last year and that unit was average, at best. Raymond Ventrone was given to Seely but he is also expected to be cut when others return and come off the PUP. I'm expecting Seely to resign any day now. LOL
Top or Second Tier DE - Tomsula had Christmas with getting Cornellius Carradine, Quinton Dial and a major project in Lawrence Okoye but he may not see any of them until Christmas 2013! That said, Tank and Dial will most likely be red-shirted this year (PUP) and Okoye is still hoping to make the PS. Fortunately, Dobbs continues to impress and is expected t supplant either Will Tukuafu or Tony Jerod-Eddie after week 1.
Top or Second Tier CB - In the end, we only kept 5 CB's. For a team that is historically facing 4+ WR sets and tends to suffer injuries here, this may be a little concerning. There is now a good chance we lose both Marcus Cooper and Darryl Morris. We are expecting Eric Wright back after week 6 though and hopefully, he'll be up to game speed.
Top or Second Tier NT - SCHEME is the new THEME in 2013! With keeping 6 DL, expect many more 4-man DL sets with plenty of outside pass rushers up at the LOS. Ian Williams thus far, has been tremendous and appears to be even better than Sopoaga/RJF and Glen Dorsey appears to be a viable rotation NT and he can also play DE. Lamar Divens may be added to the PS and developed ala Ian Williams last year.
Second Tier WR - Well, it seems like Moore or Patton will end up being the primary WR opposite Boldin. Crabtree's injury hurts a lot but thankfully we have an even more productive veteran in Boldin to ease that loss. Do not expect Crabtree back at all this year though IMHO. That said, we can expect Manningham back after week 6 which is why we will start the year with only 5 WR's: X = Marlon Moore/Jon Baldwin --- Y = Kyle Williams --- Z = Anquan Boldin/Quinton Patton. The important thing to remember here is that we run a "package offense" so ALL of these guys will be used in all WR positions depending on the play called by HaRoMan. And let's be honest here, keeping only 5 WR's is a strong indication that we plan on using Vernon Davis and Vance McDonald a ton, lining them up everywhere to create mismatches. So lower your expectations in terms of total receptions from the WR group this year. I saw a couple times this pre season where we ran a 5-receiver set and only one of those players was a WR.
Second Tier C - In the end we stayed with the wiley vet, Jonathan Goodwin and his inflated salary but Daniel Kilgore put up quite the fight. Also, Looney has been working out at LG and C and he looks much much better at C. In fact, he looks legit at C.
Third Tier FB - This was a big concern of mine because we had nobody behind Bruce Miller and he is vital to our running game (and can catch). The team then cut Jason Schepler so my concern remained. But low-and-behold, Harbaugh goes out and gets "his" guy in Owen Marecic. He should fit in nicely in an offense he already knows and should add some ST value as well.
Third Tier TE - Harbauh got HIS man in Vance McDonald here too. Davis, McDonald and Celek should abolsutely tear it up this year. And most are expecting MarQueis Gray to get devloped in the PS.

Roster as of 10/1:
Note: Non-football injury (NFI) and physically unable to perform (PUP) designations, teams are allowed to begin practicing those players beginning after the sixth week (Oct. 15th) through the conclusion of the 11th weekend of games (Nov. 18th). At any time over a 21-day period after a player begins practicing, the team can activate the player to the 53-man roster.

Offense: (25)
QB (3): Colin Kaepernick, Colt McCoy and John Skelton
RB (4): Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter, Anthony Dixon and LaMichael James; Marcus Lattimore (NFI)
FB (1): Bruce Miller
WR (5): X = Marlon Moore/Jon Baldwin --- Y = Kyle Williams --- Z = Anquan Boldin/Quinton Patton; Mario Manningham & Michael Crabtree (PUP)
TE (4): Vernon Davis, Vance McDonald, Garrett Celek and Chris Harper (H-Back)
OT (3): Joe Staley, Anthony Davis and Adam Snyder (Alex Boone); Luke Marquardt (NFI)
OG (3): Mike Iupati, Alex Boone and Joe Looney (Adam Snyder)
C (2): Jonathan Goodwin and Daniel Kilgore (Joe Looney)

Defense: (25)
DE (4): Justin Smith, Ray McDonald and Demarcus Dobbs; Quinton Dial & Tank Carradine (NFI)
NT (2): Glenn Dorsey and Tony Jerod-Eddie; Ian Williams (I.R.)
OLB (4): Dan Skuta, Corey Lemonier, Ahmad Brooks and Jermaine Cunningham; Aldon Smith (NFI)
ILB (4): NaVorro Bowman, Michael Wilhoite and Nathan Stupar; Patrick Willis (Injured) & Nick Moody (I.R. designated to return)
CB (6): Tarell Brown, Carlos Rogers, Perrish Cox, Tramaine Brock and Daryl Morris; Nnamdi Asomugha (Injured) and Chris Culliver & Eric Wright (I.R. & NFI)
S (5): Donte Whitner, Eric Reid, Craig Dahl, C.J. Spillman and Raymond Ventrone

Special Teams: (3)
PK: Phil Dawson
P: Andy Lee
LS: Kevin McDermott

Updated with CB Daryl Morris, QB John Skelton and OLB Jermaine Cunningham and the waiving of FB Owen Marecic and QB BJ Daniels!

I wonder if Baalke is pissed at Harbaugh over something...canning his boy.

Now we are down another FB (and Miller is a bit banged up). And have we signed a real NT yet? BJ looked great, as did Gray, Cooper, Johnson/Haralson as did Hawkins (for Ventrone). I'm not understanding the rationale for many of these moves esp. the moves today. I guess we'll find out!
Originally posted by NCommand:

I wonder if Baalke is pissed at Harbaugh over something...canning his boy.


Nah. Harbaugh has never shown favoritism toward his Stanford guys. Ask Chase Beeler, Derek Hall, Michael Thomas, among others.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by NCommand:

I wonder if Baalke is pissed at Harbaugh over something...canning his boy.


Nah. Harbaugh has never shown favoritism toward his Stanford guys. Ask Chase Beeler, Derek Hall, Michael Thomas, among others.

Oh come on...he LOVED Sherman! LOL
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by NCommand:

I wonder if Baalke is pissed at Harbaugh over something...canning his boy.


Nah. Harbaugh has never shown favoritism toward his Stanford guys. Ask Chase Beeler, Derek Hall, Michael Thomas, among others.

Oh come on...he LOVED Sherman! LOL

Haha..and Doug Baldwin
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Haha..and Doug Baldwin

Yeah, they hug by putting their hands on each other's necks.
Current Interests/Needs (in order of importance IMHO) - Note that top tier = higher need & second tier = secondary need (some breathing room). If a need is labeled top tier, it could also indicate the large drop off in talent from a starter to the next-man-up.

Top Tier WR - Well, it's safe to say this has become an elevated issue. WR's: X = Jon Baldwin/Marlon Moore --- Y = Kyle Williams/Quinton Patton --- Z = Anquan Boldin/Kassim Osgood. Vernon Davis and Vance McDonald have been rarely used to help offset this issue and it appears we're hanging our hat on the health of returners, Mario Manningham and eventually, Michael Crabtree.
Top Tier T - We still need a top tier "swing T" here even with Adam Snyder. I don't even see Luke Marquardt listed on the NFI list on the official team website. Anyone know if he was cut? I'm still waiting for us to pick up a veteran LT...the "screams" of Staley should scare you!
Top Tier Cover SS - While both Reid (excellent) and Whitner (decent) have played well together, this is still a glaring need in the RZ. It's the "break" in our bend-but-don't-break, defense. We can't rely solely on the pass rush esp. in the RZ where passes are typically made less than a 3-step drop and right down the middle of the field where Willis/Bowman have underneath coverage and the S's have the over-the-top coverage. Gone are the days of the in-the-box SS. These days, you need two FS Reid's back there!
Top Kickoff Coverage Unit/Ace Kick-Punt Returner - Osgood and Spillman have been very good here which is great b/c Cox and Brock were bad to start the year. Raymond Ventrone seems to be getting better as well. Last week was our best coverage yet (after that long first return - tackling may still be an issue). Dawson is our MVP here b/c he is constantly kicking the ball out of the back of the EZ. Lee had a poor start but seems to be finding his groove now. That said, we still have NOBODY that is even remotely close to being a "dynamic returner." Some teams have TWO dynamic returners.
Top or Second Tier DE - Well, Tony Jerod-Eddie had a great play last game but is he a viable long-term backup to McDonald? Tomsula now has RDE Cornellius Carradine and NT Quinton Dial possibly coming back next week. Dobbs continues to get injured (nicked up) one way or another. After playing 4 of 5 playoff teams out of the gate and 3 power running teams, this DL is showing some holes and abuse. We have always struggled with power runnng teams. That said, glad to hear Dial is up to 350!
Top or Second Tier NT - SCHEME is the new THEME in 2013! I guess not! I thouught we'd go more 4-man DL against power running teams...not. Anyhow, Williams was a big loss but Dorsey has stepped up nicely. Dial is up to 350 pounds and could start practicing next week b/c clearly, the team can't be serious about TJE as a backup NT. We have never had a 2-gap NT who could clog both A-gaps AND help collapse the step-up lane for QB's. This is a huge need and would add about 10 more sacks to our OLB's (and help our coverage units geatly).
Top or Second Tier FB - This was a big concern of mine because we had nobody behind Bruce Miller and he is vital to our running game (and can catch). The team then cut Jason Schepler so my concern remained. But low-and-behold, Harbaugh goes out and gets "his" guy in Owen Marecic. But then imediately cuts him as well. So #$%^&*(). If Miller goes down, Gore is screwed!
Top or Second Tier CB - We risked losing Marcus Cooper and lost him; think we lucked out with Darryl Morris though (who is still hidden on our 53). Tarell Brown and Carlos Rogers are decent but get pwned by bigger, taller WR's and we seem to play a ton of them. Tramaine Brock has stepped in very nicely for Nnamdi Asomugha as the #3 and Darryl Morris seems like he'd be an ideal slot CB; Chris Culliver will be back next year and Eric Wright could start practicing with us next week. Realistically, we could cut or lose Brown, Rogers, Brock, etc. So we need a top tier CB here if he isn't already on the roster.
Second Tier C - In the end we stayed with the wiley vet, Jonathan Goodwin and his inflated salary but Daniel Kilgore put up quite the fight and personally, I think should have gotten the start; Goodwin still stuggles with getting any push in the run game and is letting DL get through. Also, Looney has been working out at LG and C and he looks, to me, much much better at C. In fact, he looks legit at C.
Third Tier TE - Harbauh got HIS man in Vance McDonald here too. At first, I thought Davis and McDonald would absolutely be a nightmare mismatch for DC's. Thus far, we've barely used McDonald (who looks great in blocking and route running; decent hands). He is a terrific RAC runner and punishes DB's. I'm still waiting for us to use Chris Harper in some fashion. I think we have the personnel here...just aren't using it IMHO.

What are YOUR needs?

Roster as of 10/11:

Note: Non-football injury (NFI) and physically unable to perform (PUP) designations, teams are allowed to begin practicing those players beginning after the sixth week (Oct. 15th) through the conclusion of the 11th weekend of games (Nov. 18th). At any time over a 21-day period after a player begins practicing, the team can activate the player to the 53-man roster.

Offense: (26)
QB (3): Colin Kaepernick, Colt McCoy and McLeod Bethel-Thompson
RB (4): Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter, LaMichael James and Anthony Dixon; Marcus Lattimore (NFI)
FB (1): Bruce Miller
H-Back (1): Chris Harper
WR (6): X = Jon Baldwin/Marlon Moore --- Y = Kyle Williams/Quinton Patton --- Z = Anquan Boldin/Kassim Osgood; Mario Manningham & Michael Crabtree (PUP)
TE (3): Vernon Davis, Vance McDonald and Garrett Celek
OT (3): Joe Staley, Anthony Davis and Adam Snyder (Alex Boone); Luke Marquardt (NFI)
OG (3): Mike Iupati, Alex Boone and Joe Looney (Adam Snyder)
C (2): Jonathan Goodwin and Daniel Kilgore (Joe Looney)

Defense: (24)
DE (4): Justin Smith, Ray McDonald, Tony Jerod-Eddie and Demarcus Dobbs; Tank Carradine (NFI)
NT (1): Glenn Dorsey; Quinton Dial (NFI) & Ian Williams (I.R.)
OLB (4): Dan Skuta, Ahmad Brooks, Corey Lemonier and Jermaine Cunningham; Aldon Smith (NFI)
ILB (4): NaVorro Bowman, Michael Wilhoite, Nathan Stupar and Patrick Willis; Nick Moody (I.R. designated to return)
CB (6): Tarell Brown, Carlos Rogers, Perrish Cox, Tramaine Brock, Nnamdi Asomugha and Darryl Morris; Chris Culliver & Eric Wright (I.R. & NFI)
S (5): Donte Whitner, Eric Reid, Craig Dahl, C.J. Spillman and Raymond Ventrone

Special Teams: (3)
PK: Phil Dawson
P: Andy Lee
LS: Kevin McDermott
[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 11, 2013 at 9:18 AM ]
Looks like HarBaalke will be forced to finally get a NT. Dial, get ready to suit up, son!
Still feel like WR is a top need.

9ers are covering it up now by getting production from other positions (like TE and FB). They might be able to get into the playoffs without addressing WR. But I they will not win in the post season without better options at WR after Boldin.

Now I know that there's a chance we could have both Manningham and Crabtree healthy by then, so maybe we'll be okay. But I'm worried that the front office is BANKING on that happening. And that's a pretty big gamble given the injuries they suffered.

9ers really should make a move and secure another solid option at WR. Come on, Nicks or Gordon!
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Still feel like WR is a top need.

9ers are covering it up now by getting production from other positions (like TE and FB). They might be able to get into the playoffs without addressing WR. But I they will not win in the post season without better options at WR after Boldin.

Now I know that there's a chance we could have both Manningham and Crabtree healthy by then, so maybe we'll be okay. But I'm worried that the front office is BANKING on that happening. And that's a pretty big gamble given the injuries they suffered.

9ers really should make a move and secure another solid option at WR. Come on, Nicks or Gordon!

This is almost identical to what I said as my #1 need in post #502 above...so yeah, I agree. Ha. The thing is though, are we going to PASS to anyone else not-named-Boldin-or-VD? Once again, Baldwin gets one pass his way...same with Williams in the slot and Mconald as well. That's it...one pass each. Are we EVER going to spread the ball around and/or get others involved early/often?
[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 13, 2013 at 7:09 PM ]
Carradine and Lattimore may be the best picks from last year, so this class may go down as the best in niner history. They loaded up on DL, they have OL back ups...they need a back up QB and WRs, DBs and a strong NT who can move the pocket back into the QB. They really have some good depth everywhere else. Injuries may prove me wrong, but that's my view from here.
We need D-line depth badly. Seems like everyone is banged up. I hope Carradine and Dial can fill this need.

And we badly need a WR who can get the smallest bit of separation. It's embarrassing what we have out there outside of VD and Boldin.

We just have to survive until we get healthy.
[ Edited by SofaKing on Oct 13, 2013 at 8:17 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Still feel like WR is a top need.

9ers are covering it up now by getting production from other positions (like TE and FB). They might be able to get into the playoffs without addressing WR. But I they will not win in the post season without better options at WR after Boldin.

Now I know that there's a chance we could have both Manningham and Crabtree healthy by then, so maybe we'll be okay. But I'm worried that the front office is BANKING on that happening. And that's a pretty big gamble given the injuries they suffered.

9ers really should make a move and secure another solid option at WR. Come on, Nicks or Gordon!

This is almost identical to what I said as my #1 need in post #502 above...so yeah, I agree. Ha. The thing is though, are we going to PASS to anyone else not-named-Boldin-or-VD? Once again, Baldwin gets one pass his way...same with Williams in the slot and Mconald as well. That's it...one pass each. Are we EVER going to spread the ball around and/or get others involved early/often?
I think Kap had proven that he has very high standards when it comes to trusting receivers. If a player doesn't meet those standards he won't throw to them consistently. He might throw to them once, but if they drop that ball they won't see another for weeks.

But on the other hand, once a player proves himself to Kap, he will be VERY trusting trusting and throw their way a LOT.

Clearly, Boldin, Davis, and Miller have all earned Kap's trust.

Baldwin, Patton, Williams and Moore have obviously NOT earned Kap's trust. But I'm not sure that he's being unfair by not trusting them. They haven't done anything to prove they deserve they ball.

Based on how quickly Kap built trust with Boldin, I feel confident that he can do the same with another WR we bring in. But for that to happen, we need to bring in a truly talented WR.
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Still feel like WR is a top need.

9ers are covering it up now by getting production from other positions (like TE and FB). They might be able to get into the playoffs without addressing WR. But I they will not win in the post season without better options at WR after Boldin.

Now I know that there's a chance we could have both Manningham and Crabtree healthy by then, so maybe we'll be okay. But I'm worried that the front office is BANKING on that happening. And that's a pretty big gamble given the injuries they suffered.

9ers really should make a move and secure another solid option at WR. Come on, Nicks or Gordon!

This is almost identical to what I said as my #1 need in post #502 above...so yeah, I agree. Ha. The thing is though, are we going to PASS to anyone else not-named-Boldin-or-VD? Once again, Baldwin gets one pass his way...same with Williams in the slot and Mconald as well. That's it...one pass each. Are we EVER going to spread the ball around and/or get others involved early/often?
I think Kap had proven that he has very high standards when it comes to trusting receivers. If a player doesn't meet those standards he won't throw to them consistently. He might throw to them once, but if they drop that ball they won't see another for weeks.

But on the other hand, once a player proves himself to Kap, he will be VERY trusting trusting and throw their way a LOT.

Clearly, Boldin, Davis, and Miller have all earned Kap's trust.

Baldwin, Patton, Williams and Moore have obviously NOT earned Kap's trust. But I'm not sure that he's being unfair by not trusting them. They haven't done anything to prove they deserve they ball.

Based on how quickly Kap built trust with Boldin, I feel confident that he can do the same with another WR we bring in. But for that to happen, we need to bring in a truly talented WR.

I'm sorry but that is dumb. If he won't throw to them how could they earn his trust? He needs to spread the ball around and give players a chance to make a play. If he can only work with pro bowlers he will have a very short career.
Brock and Brown have expiring contract this year so who do they keep? Either? Neither? Culliver, Rogers, Aso, Cox, Morris and Wright? Keep all? Are they all potential starters?

Looking forward to Baalke time!