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The Baalke Effect...

To me, the 49ers should try & develop Baldwin. Dudes only 24 gonna be 25 with 6'4 230 size and downfield speed this team is STARVING for. Ellington can be the returner and Patton #4 or #5 and Lloyd #6. Gotta cut Dobbs. Especially if Crabtree bolts after the year. Ten by 2015, Johnson,Boldin and Baldwin could be a nice trio along with Patton & Ellington as 4th & eth options.
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
To me, the 49ers should try & develop Baldwin. Dudes only 24 gonna be 25 with 6'4 230 size and downfield speed this team is STARVING for. Ellington can be the returner and Patton #4 or #5 and Lloyd #6. Gotta cut Dobbs. Especially if Crabtree bolts after the year. Ten by 2015, Johnson,Boldin and Baldwin could be a nice trio along with Patton & Ellington as 4th & eth options.

This and why not? Give him the same fair shake Jenkins got. At least Baldwin wanted to be here and works hard and seems to have a good attitude. After film review, he's not that bad at all. He, like many, just needs a chance and some time to digest the playbook and get to a point (development) where he can just play (and not think). Having a full off season is huge! This off season could be enormous for players like Baldwin, Wright, Carrier and a few others. Let's hope these guys run with it
[ Edited by NCommand on May 14, 2014 at 2:41 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
To me, the 49ers should try & develop Baldwin. Dudes only 24 gonna be 25 with 6'4 230 size and downfield speed this team is STARVING for. Ellington can be the returner and Patton #4 or #5 and Lloyd #6. Gotta cut Dobbs. Especially if Crabtree bolts after the year. Ten by 2015, Johnson,Boldin and Baldwin could be a nice trio along with Patton & Ellington as 4th & eth options.

This and why not? Give him the same fair shake Jenkins got. At least Baldwin wanted to be here and works hard and seems to have a good attitude. After film review, he's not that bad at all. He, like many, just needs a chance and some time to digest the playbook and get to a point (development) where he can just play (and not think). Having a full off season is huge! This off season could be enormous for players like Baldwin, Wright, Carrier and a few others. Let's hope these guys run with it

Completely agree. I've been saying this for a while now - Baldwin ought to have the benefit of an off season working with the team before everyone decides he's a bust. If he's not making plays by pre-season, I'll feel differently, but right now he's still young, tall, strong and fast with lots of potential.
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
To me, the 49ers should try & develop Baldwin. Dudes only 24 gonna be 25 with 6'4 230 size and downfield speed this team is STARVING for. Ellington can be the returner and Patton #4 or #5 and Lloyd #6. Gotta cut Dobbs. Especially if Crabtree bolts after the year. Ten by 2015, Johnson,Boldin and Baldwin could be a nice trio along with Patton & Ellington as 4th & eth options.

You would need to cut Osgood. Hard sell around these parts.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
This and why not? Give him the same fair shake Jenkins got. At least Baldwin wanted to be here and works hard and seems to have a good attitude. After film review, he's not that bad at all. He, like many, just needs a chance and some time to digest the playbook and get to a point (development) where he can just play (and not think). Having a full off season is huge! This off season could be enormous for players like Baldwin, Wright, Carrier and a few others. Let's hope these guys run with it

Quinton Patton and Bruce Ellington are his immediate competitors, and I don't know if he can beat either of them. Baldwin has to showcase some ability and production otherwise, as young as he is, there will be younger players next year in the next draft with possibly better ceilings and higher floors than Baldwin. He definitely has physical talent, but where is the production?
The thing with Baldwin is he has to win the #4 WR job to stick on the roster. If he can't lock that down, other players with ST ability will beat him out for the last 2 spots. Same goes with Lloyd. They have zero value as a 5th or 6th WR.

Crab/Boldin/Johnson are locked in to the top 3 spots. Patton and Ellington are virtual locks to make the roster. That's 5 guys, leaving 1 spot available for Baldwin, Lloyd, Osgood, Jacobs, or Wylie.
I too would love for Baldwin to stick, but Sofa point is on spot. No ST, it will be harder to stick. And Osgood is fantastic.

Also on baalke effect, the josh j signing is what was missing. Gabbert is a project, but not ready. I think josh is. We had a #2 problem and trent fixed it. Now he had a complete terrific draft, FA, and trade.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on May 14, 2014 at 5:16 PM ]
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I too would love for Baldwin to stick, but Sofa point is on spot. No ST, it will be harder to stick. And Osgood is fantastic.

Also on baalke effect, the josh j signing is what was missing. Gabbert is a project, but not ready. I think josh is. We had a #2 problem and trent fixed it. Now he had a complete terrific draft, FA, and trade.

I was just telling the Mrs. "If anything we are a little thin at QB, good thing Kap trains the way he does". I feel pretty good if we go into the season with Kap, Gabbert and Johnson on the roster.

Baalke has killed it this off-season without penalizing our future. The window is a big ol fancy disappearing wall, and it's wiiiide open. Teams and their fans are just green with envy when you sum up the spoils and describe the way he went about it.

Consensus is that our roster is stacked and there are already contingency plans in place for pending free agents/disciplinary. This will allow the team to continue to get team friendly contracts or mid round compensatories in return. Mastering this the way Baalke has keeps the Niners a yearly contender. Combine his penchant for finding talent with Paraags savvy contract negotiating and we have ourselves and elite front office. Having an elite coaching staff, save a few,

Now if we could just get a wr's coach and an oc to match the quality of the rest of the team we'd be golden.
[ Edited by WINiner on May 14, 2014 at 8:14 PM ]
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I too would love for Baldwin to stick, but Sofa point is on spot. No ST, it will be harder to stick. And Osgood is fantastic.

Also on baalke effect, the josh j signing is what was missing. Gabbert is a project, but not ready. I think josh is. We had a #2 problem and trent fixed it. Now he had a complete terrific draft, FA, and trade.

It really is hard to not be completely impressed with baalke. In a league designed to limit the amount of talent on a roster, he has put together what looks like a juggernaut by today's standards. While I still have a little concern over the CB position, I'm willing to rely on baalke's judgement of the position and our defensive coaching staff ability to get those we have playing the way they need to.

If we can get a trophy, baalke will at minimum be a 49er HOFer.
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
But Giedi, like AJ and rashuan woods showed, they might just be busts. I think the likelihood of all the top 7 WRs becoming stars is not very likely. I think several will but I bet an equal number won't. And that is way better than the 20% of WRs who traditionally become NFL stars at WR. Drafting WRs high has bitten us in the behind, along with lots of other teams. So honestly, I loved Trent's answer. Go out and get known commodities. It takes the 80% failure rate of top WRs out of the equation. You gotta like that kind of thinking.

I do like the thinking. I'm glad we have Baalke in charge of player acquisition. If we keep going to NFC CG and Superbowls, we'll never have a shot at those top of the line players, unless those teams let them go - like they let Dorsey and Justin Smith go. My hope is that guys like Baldwin, who is a first round player, gets to us by free agency and begins to develop in our system. Gabbert was a round 1 pick 10 player. Jonathan Martin was a 2nd round pick. These guys came to us via trade and free agency, and so guys like Sammy Watkins and Mike Evans - I hope somehow don't do as well as projected, then they drop in value, and then we get them at a discounted price, and because of our good coaching - hopefully flourish with us.
Keeping Baldwin doesn't mean we lose Osgood per se. It could mean we cut somewhere else. It's still a long shot but as fans, we should keep n mind how many players have made it in the past (surprises) or have come out of nowhere and shined forcing a tough 53-cut. Let's just see what happens. Also, Morris & Osgood are our two best gunners. What if we find a rookie or first-year player who is just as efective AND is a true backup?
I just saw one pass to Osgood, lined up I think at rt TE, maybe even rt OT. He ran 4 yds and the ball was right there, he caught it uncontested...and the next question I asked was why haven't we done that before?