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Why Niners Picked A.J Jenkins instead of Stephen Hill?

Breakaway, elite speed; good hands; consistent game-time production in college
Originally posted by 49erRider:
He had 21 more catches, 252 more yards and 3 more TDs than the guy we took.

On a terrible team with no other options that runs their team differently.
Originally posted by 49ersGiants7:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
He had 21 more catches, 252 more yards and 3 more TDs than the guy we took.

On a terrible team with no other options that runs their team differently.

Thank you. And, that's what you have to take into account. The Niners ran very few multiple receiver sets, they rarely had more than three receivers suit up for games and they had a pretty deep group for most of the season. The fact that he didn't get in when Williams and Manningham went down is troubling, but I would guess it had something to do with the fact that he had spent the entire season running on the various scout teams and not paying a lot of attention to the Niner playbook. They probably also need him to bulk up and work on his blocking. That's what I get from his remarks about how he needs to spend the off season becoming a different guy. John Taylor had something like 157 yards in receptions his first year. Wes Welker had no receptions his first year. I think everyone who has already made up their minds on Jenkins is jumping the gun. He still has elite, breakaway speed. He still has an unbelievable vertical leap and good hands. He could become a stretch the field kind of receiver for Kaepernick next season. I won't be unhappy at all if the Randy Moss experiment ends and they spend the off season developing Jenkins and Ricardo Lockette to go along with Williams and Crabtree. Crabtree is an elite possession receiver, Williams and possibly Manningham (if he comes back from that injury) are extremely quick in the slot. And Jenkins and Lockette both have elite speed to stretch the field on the outside.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Thank you. And, that's what you have to take into account. The Niners ran very few multiple receiver sets, they rarely had more than three receivers suit up for games and they had a pretty deep group for most of the season. The fact that he didn't get in when Williams and Manningham went down is troubling, but I would guess it had something to do with the fact that he had spent the entire season running on the various scout teams and not paying a lot of attention to the Niner playbook. They probably also need him to bulk up and work on his blocking. That's what I get from his remarks about how he needs to spend the off season becoming a different guy. John Taylor had something like 157 yards in receptions his first year. Wes Welker had no receptions his first year. I think everyone who has already made up their minds on Jenkins is jumping the gun. He still has elite, breakaway speed. He still has an unbelievable vertical leap and good hands. He could become a stretch the field kind of receiver for Kaepernick next season. I won't be unhappy at all if the Randy Moss experiment ends and they spend the off season developing Jenkins and Ricardo Lockette to go along with Williams and Crabtree. Crabtree is an elite possession receiver, Williams and possibly Manningham (if he comes back from that injury) are extremely quick in the slot. And Jenkins and Lockette both have elite speed to stretch the field on the outside.

Excellent post. I'm not even against drafting a receiver for more depth (cough DaRick Rogers cough), I'd just hate for it to be in the 1st round.

What Jenkins needs to do is get his chemistry down with Kaepernick and put on muscle. It appears he's working on both. He'll be fine.

49ers offense can be difficult to learn for young player, that's why they stacked the depth chart with Moss and Manningham (and already had KW/Crabtree) knowing they were going to draft a young WR and didn't want to rely on a rookie in a contending year.
Ok, after 9 weeks I was despondent that we had taken AJ as our first at #30(?) in the first rd. When you think about it we weren't in a position to hopscotch for the best WR (or 2) in the draft...it didn't make sense and would have been extremely expensive...so the question that I would love to ask TB/JH, is "Did you guys really like him that well, kinda like Kap, but knew he wasn't going to make it into a starting role in first yr? " In other words, did they draft AJ for 2013 yr, from the outset? After looking at the Kap situation, I am convinced more and more that they actually took a virtually end of first rd pick last yr, to start this coming yr. If that is correct, and if AJ turns everybody's heads this yr, I will be convinced that our guys (TB/JH) are playing chess while the other F.O.s are playing checkers. That said, I DO believe that is what they did....look we went into camp with passcatchers moss, mario, crabs, kyle, frank, hunter, vernon, delanie, celek, and LMJ. We didn't need AJ at the start of the season....but no one saw mario,kyle, hunter, all going down. Granted Celek isn't much for production, and LMJ, who i thot was drafted as a situational back to play wide of Kap, ended up running between tackles.

LMJ needs to be positioned like reggie bush was at the saints...ie, split wide of QB and either bail out option or option #3. Crabs is our #1, moss is gone, mario will be lucky if he walks with ease again, let alone play football, delanie may be on the block, so we are in a situation where we really need AJ this yr. It would be terrific if kyle makes it back full steam, full moves. Vernon really should get some plays lining up in the slot, as that would be an interesting matchup for the D. It is very possible, probably now likely, that JH/TB actually took a late first rd WR in 2012 for play in 2013. That said AJ does have to produce, but if he does, wow, is our front office on a roll or what? The figuring out when kap would be ready, even with stellar play by alex...coached up by JH....man, it just seems the rich are getting richer.

I don't know if in 2012 TB knew there would be 5 OTs that might go in first 5 picks, followed by 12 -15 guys playing CB/OLB or DE that are there next up at #6-20. Whatever happens, TB has positioned us to nail a starting OT if need be, and at least a DL and maybe an OLB in the top 3-4 picks assuming no deals are done. With as many picks as we will have, you know we are moving up at least for several players in OL, DL, OLB, CB/S. by packaging picks, including some from KC.
Man the more this draft lays out the better it looks for us, the #2 team in the NFL last yr...and that by a hair.
Originally posted by 49ersGiants7:
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Thank you. And, that's what you have to take into account. The Niners ran very few multiple receiver sets, they rarely had more than three receivers suit up for games and they had a pretty deep group for most of the season. The fact that he didn't get in when Williams and Manningham went down is troubling, but I would guess it had something to do with the fact that he had spent the entire season running on the various scout teams and not paying a lot of attention to the Niner playbook. They probably also need him to bulk up and work on his blocking. That's what I get from his remarks about how he needs to spend the off season becoming a different guy. John Taylor had something like 157 yards in receptions his first year. Wes Welker had no receptions his first year. I think everyone who has already made up their minds on Jenkins is jumping the gun. He still has elite, breakaway speed. He still has an unbelievable vertical leap and good hands. He could become a stretch the field kind of receiver for Kaepernick next season. I won't be unhappy at all if the Randy Moss experiment ends and they spend the off season developing Jenkins and Ricardo Lockette to go along with Williams and Crabtree. Crabtree is an elite possession receiver, Williams and possibly Manningham (if he comes back from that injury) are extremely quick in the slot. And Jenkins and Lockette both have elite speed to stretch the field on the outside.

Excellent post. I'm not even against drafting a receiver for more depth (cough DaRick Rogers cough), I'd just hate for it to be in the 1st round.

What Jenkins needs to do is get his chemistry down with Kaepernick and put on muscle. It appears he's working on both. He'll be fine.

49ers offense can be difficult to learn for young player, that's why they stacked the depth chart with Moss and Manningham (and already had KW/Crabtree) knowing they were going to draft a young WR and didn't want to rely on a rookie in a contending year.

Taking a wait and see approach with AJ. I don't want to put all our eggs in that basket and rely on him to pan out. But I am still hoping he will be a pleasant surprise this season.
Originally posted by Janitor:


You really don't have a clue what I'm trying to say do you....


No one has a clue what you are trying to say
Crabtree broke out year 3. Vernon in year 4. We write off AJ after year 1.
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Taking a wait and see approach with AJ. I don't want to put all our eggs in that basket and rely on him to pan out. But I am still hoping he will be a pleasant surprise this season.

The only sensible approach. Good post.
AJ wouldn't have been confused with Julio Jones. He dropped every pass thrown to him this year but .............

Well initially I thought we over reached on the following players
  • Staley
  • Vernon
  • Crabtree
  • Balmer

I now only feel that way on one of them. Time has proved me wrong. Also this team is much harder to start for than 5 years ago. There were quite a few here that thought after 2011 we should dump Kap for a 5th-6th round pick. The word Patience comes to mind.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Crabtree broke out year 3. Vernon in year 4. We write off AJ after year 1.

Crabtree and Vernon were proven players on quality CFB teams

2011 Illinois was 2-10, 0-8 in Conference. Lost 6 straight games


The programs that Jenkins tore up in the First 6 weeks
- Arkansas St
- South Dakota
- Arizona St
- Western Michigan
- Northwestern
- Indiana


You guys are trashing Stephen Hill because he performed well on a crap team. Basically someone had to catch the balls scenario. Well that is basically what Jenkins was IN COLLEGE. Surprise surprise, he was a boy amongst men this season.
My feeling is that a first round pick is not a huge deal anymore... You're not throwing a huge contract at the guy, so it's ok if you miss. I think judging the overall draft is better than judging just one player.
we'll give him another year before labeling him a complete failure or bust
Illinois wasn't 2-10 in Jenkins' last season. They beat UCLA in their bowl game that year.

And catching 21 balls on a horrible team with no other options is not performing well.
Originally posted by 49ersGiants7:
Illinois wasn't 2-10 in Jenkins' last season. They beat UCLA in their bowl game that year.

And catching 21 balls on a horrible team with no other options is not performing well.

How about having Sanchez as your qb? Does that count?