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Deal for Alex Smith Done?

Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by btthepunk:
But not guys who are great receivers, runners, and returners.

It is possible to have both. People are thinking too much that we'll be in salary cap hell for years with one big free agent. Plus he will not get $10 million a year. He'll probably have more yards next year than Manningham, Jenkins, and Williams combined.

Harvin didn't miss any games in 2011 and up until this last year he only missed 3 career games. His injury history is way overblown.


He is asking for Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson type money. If he is half as good as you say, don't you think he would be paid at least $10 million?

Even if he was asking for 1 million a year, we couldn't pay him, because right now we have nearly zero cap room.

There are teams with 40 million of cap room, since Harvin is obviously looking for a payday, I don't see where we can compete with them.

Of course he wants that much money. Who doesn't want to be one of the highest paid players at their position? He'll get $8-10 million.

Right now we don't have cap room, but after the trade could happen we would. On top of Alex being gone we're also likely to get get rid of Haralson and Akers will be gone.
Also word is we're not giving Goldson the tag and theyre still far apart on a contract so its likely he leaves and we have to go cheaper there. Justin Smith is a candidate to restructure his deal to save us money, as are Goodwinn and Whitner (who also both may be cut).
Originally posted by burtreynolds12:
That Kolb trade was an atrocity. Teams should know better not go give up valuable 3rd round or higher picks for average stop-gap quarterbacks.

The Chiefs would be crazy to trade a 3rd or 2nd for Smith.

But as a Niner fan I'd love it of course.

Yet it continues to happen, year after year after year after year, QB's will always hold high value and trading a 3rd round pick for Alex is hardly exorbitant. You realize how many 3rd round picks turn into absolute busts? If you can get a starting QB that throws for 3200-3300 yards, 20-25 touchdowns, 8-12 INT's and completes 62-65% of his passes, that's well worth a 3rd round pick and then some.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:


LOL....this......it'd be an intriguing claim, except for the fact that Nate Davis has never been traded by anyone, at anytime. He was cut by the 49ers, went to Seattle, was cut by them, went to Indy, was cut by them.

I was just thinking that when I read it.

There is nothing quite like losing all credibility when trying to establish credibility.

FAIL. Lol.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:


LOL....this......it'd be an intriguing claim, except for the fact that Nate Davis has never been traded by anyone, at anytime. He was cut by the 49ers, went to Seattle, was cut by them, went to Indy, was cut by them.

I was just thinking that when I read it.

There is nothing quite like losing all credibility when trying to establish credibility.

FAIL. Lol.

lulz
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by btthepunk:
But not guys who are great receivers, runners, and returners.

It is possible to have both. People are thinking too much that we'll be in salary cap hell for years with one big free agent. Plus he will not get $10 million a year. He'll probably have more yards next year than Manningham, Jenkins, and Williams combined.

Harvin didn't miss any games in 2011 and up until this last year he only missed 3 career games. His injury history is way overblown.


He is asking for Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson type money. If he is half as good as you say, don't you think he would be paid at least $10 million?

Even if he was asking for 1 million a year, we couldn't pay him, because right now we have nearly zero cap room.

There are teams with 40 million of cap room, since Harvin is obviously looking for a payday, I don't see where we can compete with them.

Of course he wants that much money. Who doesn't want to be one of the highest paid players at their position? He'll get $8-10 million.

Right now we don't have cap room, but after the trade could happen we would. On top of Alex being gone we're also likely to get get rid of Haralson and Akers will be gone.
Also word is we're not giving Goldson the tag and theyre still far apart on a contract so its likely he leaves and we have to go cheaper there. Justin Smith is a candidate to restructure his deal to save us money, as are Goodwinn and Whitner (who also both may be cut).


We're not giving Goldson the money because we are being smart with our cap. We have to nearly gut our team just to sign most of the players we already HAVE.

A Smith, Goldson, Soap, Rogers, Goodwin, Akers, Haralson, Ginn and maybe others will have to be let go just to free up money for...
Kap, Crabs, Iupati, A Davis, Aldon in the years ahead.

It's not about a single year. It's about the next 5 years. Harvin, like Goldson, wants a multiple year contract, which runs up into all those contracts above. Each of those five players is worth more than Harvin to our team. Losing any of them in the coming years because we just "had" to have a player like Harvin would be incompetent. With Harbaalke, the days of incompetence are behind us.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
We're not giving Goldson the money because we are being smart with our cap. We have to nearly gut our team just to sign most of the players we already HAVE.

A Smith, Goldson, Soap, Rogers, Goodwin, Akers, Haralson, Ginn and maybe others will have to be let go just to free up money for...
Kap, Crabs, Iupati, A Davis, Aldon in the years ahead.

It's not about a single year. It's about the next 5 years. Harvin, like Goldson, wants a multiple year contract, which runs up into all those contracts above. Each of those five players is worth more than Harvin to our team. Losing any of them in the coming years because we just "had" to have a player like Harvin would be incompetent. With Harbaalke, the days of incompetence are behind us.

This. Anyone expecting this team to sign any high-priced free agents should work on disabusing themselves of that misconception starting now, otherwise they are going to be extremely disappointed in the not so distant future. I see this team signing some lower tier free agents, maybe one mid tier free agent, primarily to 1-2 year agreements.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Yet it continues to happen, year after year after year after year, QB's will always hold high value and trading a 3rd round pick for Alex is hardly exorbitant. You realize how many 3rd round picks turn into absolute busts? If you can get a starting QB that throws for 3200-3300 yards, 20-25 touchdowns, 8-12 INT's and completes 62-65% of his passes, that's well worth a 3rd round pick and then some.


Those are game manager type stats. It can work on a team with a top defense like the Niners of 2011, but it won't work for a team with a dreadful defense that gave up 26 points a game last season. The Chiefs will once again be mired in mediocrity.

Alex Smith = Matt Cassel version 2.0.

Why should Chiefs fans be excited about that?
Originally posted by burtreynolds12:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Yet it continues to happen, year after year after year after year, QB's will always hold high value and trading a 3rd round pick for Alex is hardly exorbitant. You realize how many 3rd round picks turn into absolute busts? If you can get a starting QB that throws for 3200-3300 yards, 20-25 touchdowns, 8-12 INT's and completes 62-65% of his passes, that's well worth a 3rd round pick and then some.


Those are game manager type stats. It can work on a team with a top defense like the Niners of 2011, but it won't work for a team with a dreadful defense that gave up 26 points a game last season. The Chiefs will once again be mired in mediocrity.

Alex Smith = Matt Cassel version 2.0.

Why should Chiefs fans be excited about that?


I'm guessing your a Chiefs fan?

Look, I've I've watched every game Alex Smith has ever played as a pro. He is NOT Matt Cassel. Alex was NEVER as bad as advertised. He's a smart guy who works his a$$ off. He's mobile and he accurate on short to medium routes. He has issues tho with deep passes on the sidelines.

What Alex needed early in his career is a good OC. He had that with Norv in year 2 when he had a huge performance increase from year one. He didn't get another one till Harbaugh/Roman.

Alex has that in Reid. Alex will be much better in KC than any of you think. The only reason SF is trading him at all is that Colin Kaepernick is freakin ridiculous good.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by burtreynolds12:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Yet it continues to happen, year after year after year after year, QB's will always hold high value and trading a 3rd round pick for Alex is hardly exorbitant. You realize how many 3rd round picks turn into absolute busts? If you can get a starting QB that throws for 3200-3300 yards, 20-25 touchdowns, 8-12 INT's and completes 62-65% of his passes, that's well worth a 3rd round pick and then some.


Those are game manager type stats. It can work on a team with a top defense like the Niners of 2011, but it won't work for a team with a dreadful defense that gave up 26 points a game last season. The Chiefs will once again be mired in mediocrity.

Alex Smith = Matt Cassel version 2.0.

Why should Chiefs fans be excited about that?


I'm guessing your a Chiefs fan?

Look, I've I've watched every game Alex Smith has ever played as a pro. He is NOT Matt Cassel. Alex was NEVER as bad as advertised. He's a smart guy who works his a$$ off. He's mobile and he accurate on short to medium routes. He has issues tho with deep passes on the sidelines.

What Alex needed early in his career is a good OC. He had that with Norv in year 2 when he had a huge performance increase from year one. He didn't get another one till Harbaugh/Roman.

Alex has that in Reid. Alex will be much better in KC than any of you think. The only reason SF is trading him at all is that Colin Kaepernick is freakin ridiculous good.

You speak the truth, my friend.
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Originally posted by burtreynolds12:
Those are game manager type stats. It can work on a team with a top defense like the Niners of 2011, but it won't work for a team with a dreadful defense that gave up 26 points a game last season. The Chiefs will once again be mired in mediocrity.

Alex Smith = Matt Cassel version 2.0.

Why should Chiefs fans be excited about that?

In Cassel's healthy seasons he averaged 21 TDs, 11 INTs and 3200 yards. If Alex Smith averages 21 TD's and probably 8 INT's i'm sure KC would be happy with that.
There's a video a month or so back I think it was nfl network where they were talking about the top QB's in the draft and Geno Smith's NFL comparison was...Alex Smith.

That would be freaking hilarious if that got posted on the Chiefs board.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Jt8786:
Is Alex on board then?

Why would it matter? Ultimately he has no say in the decision. I'm guessing Baalke would have ran it by him as a courtesy, but the reality of the situation is...........



You realize Alex could simply tell KC "yeah sure trade for me, I'm gonna throw the ball to the opponents every snap, how many draft picks ya gonna give up for that?" He has a say. If he doesn't want to be there there is no point in a team trading for him.
Originally posted by burtreynolds12:
Those are game manager type stats. It can work on a team with a top defense like the Niners of 2011, but it won't work for a team with a dreadful defense that gave up 26 points a game last season. The Chiefs will once again be mired in mediocrity.

Alex Smith = Matt Cassel version 2.0.

Why should Chiefs fans be excited about that?
LOL.....Chiefs should be so lucky to have a "game manager" stats. Especially considering none of the rookies this year project to be instant starters. I wouldn't feel comfortable with someone like Geno Smith as the starting QB, a guy who's essentially the black Alex Smith. Having a quality veteran can be priceless when it comes to developing a young QB.
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Originally posted by 9erReign:
You realize Alex could simply tell KC "yeah sure trade for me, I'm gonna throw the ball to the opponents every snap, how many draft picks ya gonna give up for that?" He has a say. If he doesn't want to be there there is no point in a team trading for him.

HAHA thanks i needed a good laugh!
Originally posted by 9erReign:
You realize Alex could simply tell KC "yeah sure trade for me, I'm gonna throw the ball to the opponents every snap, how many draft picks ya gonna give up for that?" He has a say. If he doesn't want to be there there is no point in a team trading for him.

Yes, because his track record indicates that's exactly the kind of guy he is. Doing that would be a surefire way for him to continue his career elsewhere in the NFL....oh wait, NO it wouldn't.