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Originally posted by btthepunk:
I'll say this first. I love Crabtree and hope he's here for a long time. I think he's the best player on our offense other than Kaepernick. Better than Gore and Davis. But..

Career receiving yards are almost identical. Crabtree has him by 40 yards and 1 TD. Harvin though blows Crabtree out in returns and rushing stats. All together Harvin has 3800 more total yards and 8 more TD's.

I give a flying f**k about what Harvin has done. Crabtree just had a better year as a receiver than Harvin has had in any year of his career. Crabtree has been healthy, Harvin has missed games in every single year of his career. Crabtree fits this offense, has chemistry with Kaepernick and has performed well on a winning team and has only continued to improve. Don't care about Harvin's return stats, you can find guys late in the draft who can be returners.


If it comes down to Crabtree vs Harvin, I take Crabtree 10 times out of 10.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Feb 24, 2013 at 9:32 PM ]
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
I'm with you, Snake. So Harvin will be asking alot? Who cares? He was leading the entire NFL in receiving before he got hurt. That was with Christian Ponder throwing to him. Christian "Freaking" Ponder. Can you imagine this offense with another game breaker like Harvin playing opposite Crabtree. The Niners front office has proven they get close long term deals to keep their young stars long term without blowing the salary cap. Bring it on!

You show me where the 49ers find $10-14 mil for a single WR while still being able to give Kaepernick a $15-16 million dollar raise, giving Crabtree $10 million a year, giving Iupati a huge bump to $6 or 7 million a year, giving Aldon $10-12 million a year, and also being able to pay Davis $7-9 million a year....all within a year and 1/2's time of course....and is without considering any additional money to be given to re-sign guys like Hunter, Culliver, Miller and more.


Also, pay an outside free agent huge bucks and then try asking your own free agents, with a straight face of course, to take "less" money and give a hometown discount, good luck with that.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Feb 24, 2013 at 9:36 PM ]
Ohhhh that Chiefs link to there webzone is hillarious. That one guy did loooonnngg PhD thesis on Alex Smith's career! Followed by a picture of a WTF look by Michael Scott. LMAO!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Yes, cheaper solutions through the draft and develop their own players. Fans really are jumping the gun in giving up on Jenkins and with the right coaching and preparation, I'd bet money that Ricardo Lockette can be the Niners version of Victor Cruz, a player who wasn't even drafted. Lockette has tremendous size and speed. Jenkins has truly breakaway speed. He really could turn into a stretch the field kind of guy, especially with that cannon Kaepernick has. And, I know fans around here don't seem to appreciate this, but both K Williams and Manningham have the incredible quickness you need out of a slot receiver. Mix in LaMichael James, and I think you've already got a potentially explosive passing game without going out and blowing up the bank on a guy like Harvin or Wallace.


We already have an explosive passing offense. In fact, it is the most explosive in the league. Kap averages more ypa than anybody else and has more 20+ yard plays than anybody in the time he played. We are already there. If we passed the ball 30 - 40 times a game we would have the most passing yards in the league.

I agree with what you say, although I don't know much about Lockette.
I can't stop laughing!!!!
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
I'm with you, Snake. So Harvin will be asking alot? Who cares? He was leading the entire NFL in receiving before he got hurt. That was with Christian Ponder throwing to him. Christian "Freaking" Ponder. Can you imagine this offense with another game breaker like Harvin playing opposite Crabtree. The Niners front office has proven they get close long term deals to keep their young stars long term without blowing the salary cap. Bring it on!

You show me where the 49ers find $10-14 mil for a single WR while still being able to give Kaepernick a $15-16 million dollar raise, giving Crabtree $10 million a year, giving Iupati a huge bump to $6 or 7 million a year, giving Aldon $10-12 million a year, and also being able to pay Davis $7-9 million a year....all within a year and 1/2's time of course....and is without considering any additional money to be given to re-sign guys like Hunter, Culliver, Miller and more.


Also, pay an outside free agent huge bucks and then try asking your own free agents, with a straight face of course, to take "less" money and give a hometown discount, good luck with that.

IMO, we wont be bringing in hardly anyone as FA, and we wont be tradeing for any big names either. It simply doesnt make sense in the grand scheme of things.

The guys they will target will be guys like they targeted last year. Possible cheap one or two year stop gaps on extremely cheap contracts.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by btthepunk:
I'll say this first. I love Crabtree and hope he's here for a long time. I think he's the best player on our offense other than Kaepernick. Better than Gore and Davis. But..

Career receiving yards are almost identical. Crabtree has him by 40 yards and 1 TD. Harvin though blows Crabtree out in returns and rushing stats. All together Harvin has 3800 more total yards and 8 more TD's.

I give a flying f**k about what Harvin has done. Crabtree just had a better year as a receiver than Harvin has had in any year of his career. Crabtree has been healthy, Harvin has missed games in every single year of his career. Crabtree fits this offense, has chemistry with Kaepernick and has performed well on a winning team and has only continued to improve. Don't care about Harvin's return stats, you can find guys late in the draft who can be returners.

But not guys who are great receivers, runners, and returners.

It is possible to have both. People are thinking too much that we'll be in salary cap hell for years with one big free agent. Plus he will not get $10 million a year. He'll probably have more yards next year than Manningham, Jenkins, and Williams combined.

Harvin didn't miss any games in 2011 and up until this last year he only missed 3 career games. His injury history is way overblown.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
We already have an explosive passing offense. In fact, it is the most explosive in the league. Kap averages more ypa than anybody else and has more 20+ yard plays than anybody in the time he played. We are already there. If we passed the ball 30 - 40 times a game we would have the most passing yards in the league.

I agree with what you say, although I don't know much about Lockette.

That's the one thing I don't get, you don't see the Packers and Steelers blowing tons of money on free agent WR's. When you have a franchise quarterback, you don't need to go out and break the bank for every random WR out there. Green Bay has made it a habit to continue to draft WR's, year in and year out and it has worked very well for them, they can withstand the loss of a guy like Jennings because they always keep restocking the cupboard without blowing the bank to do so. The 49ers are set with Crabtree as their #1, they just need to add another quality receiver through the draft, sign a lower-tier free agent for depth and continue to work with and develop Jenkins to progress into a reliable and consistent slot WR.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Feb 24, 2013 at 9:43 PM ]
Chiefs fans realize that Alex Smith is a glorified game manager who was made successful by Harbaugh's system specifically limiting Alex Smith's need to put the game on his shoulders through defense and a good running game.

If he does end up getting traded to the Chiefs, I see him reverting to the low 80s QB rating quarterback he was before 2011. In fact I will guarantee it.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
That's the one thing I don't get, you don't see the Packers and Steelers blowing tons of money on free agent WR's. When you have a franchise quarterback, you don't need to go out and break the bank for every random WR out there. Green Bay has made it a habit to continue to draft WR's, year in and year out and it has worked very well for them, they can withstand the loss of a guy like Jennings because they always keep restocking the cupboard without blowing the bank to do so. The 49ers are set with Crabtree as their #1, they just need to add another quality receiver through the draft, sign a lower-tier free agent for depth and continue to work with and develop Jenkins to progress into a reliable and consistent slot WR.


Exactly.
From what ive been told by an inside source.. its KCs 2013 3rd Rd Pick.
Originally posted by Fricker:
From what ive been told by an inside source.. its KCs 2013 3rd Rd Pick.





Originally posted by burtreynolds12:
Chiefs fans realize that Alex Smith is a glorified game manager who was made successful by Harbaugh's system specifically limiting Alex Smith's need to put the game on his shoulders through defense and a good running game.

If he does end up getting traded to the Chiefs, I see him reverting to the low 80s QB rating quarterback he was before 2011. In fact I will guarantee it.

You, with all of 1 post on this board, will guarantee it? Oh sure okay.
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by btthepunk:
I'll say this first. I love Crabtree and hope he's here for a long time. I think he's the best player on our offense other than Kaepernick. Better than Gore and Davis. But..

Career receiving yards are almost identical. Crabtree has him by 40 yards and 1 TD. Harvin though blows Crabtree out in returns and rushing stats. All together Harvin has 3800 more total yards and 8 more TD's.

I give a flying f**k about what Harvin has done. Crabtree just had a better year as a receiver than Harvin has had in any year of his career. Crabtree has been healthy, Harvin has missed games in every single year of his career. Crabtree fits this offense, has chemistry with Kaepernick and has performed well on a winning team and has only continued to improve. Don't care about Harvin's return stats, you can find guys late in the draft who can be returners.

But not guys who are great receivers, runners, and returners.

It is possible to have both. People are thinking too much that we'll be in salary cap hell for years with one big free agent. Plus he will not get $10 million a year. He'll probably have more yards next year than Manningham, Jenkins, and Williams combined.

Harvin didn't miss any games in 2011 and up until this last year he only missed 3 career games. His injury history is way overblown.

There are very few team that are as young as us and in the position we are in. we have a s**t ton of very talented yung players coming up on second contracts over the next two seasons, we need to keep that core together, and continue to build through the draft. Its what has gotten us to the current position we are in. Not to mention our QB is playing for peanuts.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Fricker:
From what ive been told by an inside source.. its KCs 2013 3rd Rd Pick.






f**k Phoenix, you owe me a new keyboard man.