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The Alex Boone Thread!!!!!

Originally posted by Wisconsin49erfan:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Ninerz4Life:
We got enough mid round talent on this team from the last few drafts. I am not in agreement with those that say pay him because they don't say how much. Nor do they mention the fact he may have turned down an extension last off season that would have made him a top 15 paid player at his position. 49ers tried to pay him he said no! I laugh when I hear the word elite. Since when does a player who had one good year and one so so year become elite? Is there a new definition of elite? Elite players don't grade out to negative numbers and Boone's pass blocking last year sucked. Yes he can play T and did well last year against Quinn studying no film. Great one game and doesn't that work both ways Quinn didn't study film of him either.

Do I believe he deserves more absolutely. Do I believe he's a better T than G sure do. Is he better than Joe Looney right now he is yes. He has value because he can play 2 spots on the O line at probably a high level. However he is not elite yet and he's already 27. With that being said I don't think it benefits the team to trade him unless we can get a #1 for him. Or two 2s. We aren't going to get that and he's not going to miss more than a game or two. By that time he will have had no camp and hopefully Looney or Marcus Martin are able to hold it down. My point is no trade because you probably don't get the value for him he is worth and don't break the bank for him because he's not worth that either. Make him come to camp or back to practice give him what he's worth then make him earn his job back. If he chooses to stay away wait until next offseason to trade him by that time he will have screwed himself.

You don't just keep him out of spite. That's a poor way to do business. If you can find a solid replacement out of what we have then you trade him and gain what ever value that you can for next years draft. Draft picks have also shown their value to our GM because he loves to stockpile them.

Is it? Would anybody ever hold out again, ever?


Not only is it the best way to do business. It's the only way to do business.

Encouraging more holdouts is not how you resolve a holdout. It creates a vicious cycle, where more players holdout, you reward them, which encourages more players to hold out, you reward them, which encourages more players to holdout, you reward them, which encourages more players to holdout...

Eventually, you become the Browns. So then years later you think, "How did this happen, how did we destroy our franchise?"
"Well, remember that one time where we rewarded Alex Boone's holdout, in order to obtain a short term gain?"
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Trade this douche NOWW!! C'mon Baalke, lets do this!

No. It won't happen
Originally posted by ModestoNiner33:
Originally posted by matt49er:
I agree, let him rot, I'd flat out tell him, we're not going to trade you, we're not going to negotiate with you, sit out for 2 straight years and watch your value plummet, or get into camp, show us you're in shape then we'll talk deal. Otherwise sit out and screw yourself.

It sounds like Vernon's performing well. Maybe the FO should through him a lil money and further send the message that they don't negotiate with non-participants.

I wouldn't mind that at all, they already showed it a little by giving Staley a new deal. I wish they would just come right out and say "No Alex Boone is not getting traded, nor is he getting a new deal unless he reports & plays hard, then we will negotiate. If not, we have him under contract for 2 years and it will be his decision if he wants 2 sit out 2 seasons in the prime of his career or not."
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Not only is it the best way to do business. It's the only way to do business.

Encouraging more holdouts is not how you resolve a holdout. It creates a vicious cycle, where more players holdout, you reward them, which encourages more players to hold out, you reward them, which encourages more players to holdout, you reward them, which encourages more players to holdout...

Eventually, you become the Browns. So then years later you think, "How did this happen, how did we destroy our franchise?"
"Well, remember that one time where we rewarded Alex Boone's holdout, in order to obtain a short term gain?"

Your not understanding what I am saying. If you get an offer that blows you away you make the deal. If he is willing to come back to the team and then accept a fair deal then you make that deal.

You don't need another 3rd or 4th round pick so you make him sit until he no longer has any value to you. At that point another player knows if I holdout I won't be traded and I can't force my way into a new contract. Besides a pick can't help you this year anyway and if you wait and call Boone's bluff and he's not bluffing and missed games and all of camp and you just cave and pay him how good is he going to be to you this year? Maybe some but probably not worth the money you just paid him for this year anyway.
Maybe it's me but all this sudden trade talk RIGHT after the last pre-season game seem so much agent shenanigans to me. It just makes no sense. The Bucs read just as well as we do; reports that Boone's replacement doesn't look as good and with the scare to Snyder, and Martin's poor showing at tackle is creating a demand for skilled lineman. Kap is going on record to say he has faith in his rebuilt line. Teams only say that when they're not sure. So why in the world would the 49ers get rid of, not just a starter, but one of their better starters for a 3rd round pick? This isn't Alex or Colin.

A 3rd round pick isn't a serious inquiry and that's why it's being made public and a team that's serious about acquiring a player of that caliber who can start at two position on the OL, including OT is worth more than a mid-round pick. Agent is realizing his client is now in jeopardy of missing an entire off-season - and the more team settle their 53, the less of a chance of a trade. Fewer options. I get it. Strategy? Let people know that your client is open to trades and send up a few trial balloons and see what the 49ers are asking as compensation. We all know if the compensation was really significant, we have no problems pulling the lever... but it hasn't been and that's why we're hearing about it.

At this point, the 49ers don't have to do anything. Boone isn't playing and he's not counting against the cap. We can wait. And if he starts to miss real games, this doesn't count against his FA eligibility. Regardless of how long he holds out, we can wait. If Baalke is smart and I know he is, every media story spins for a while then dies down. Wait it out. And as much

Each day the off-season goes by, Boone moves another day closer to reporting. We have time.
[ Edited by NinerGM on Aug 12, 2014 at 9:26 PM ]
Good posts here BrianGO & NinerGM..

I was on the trade him bandwagon last week. This week I'm open to keep his sulking ass on the team. When he's ready he'll come back and like it - even if he doesn't. Why give away our talent so other teams might get better. Only the 49ers can win this game IMO.
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Originally posted by BrianGO:
You think its wise to tell the rest of the league through a blow horn, "IF YOU HOLDOUT ON THE 49ERS YOU WILL GET THE RESULTS YOU WANT!!!"

If Baalke is truly that stupid, then we are going to be in a lot of trouble in the near future. There is no way Baalke is going to throw away the franchise, for a short term gain.

I think it's worse to tell the players under contract and on your own team that we will punish you under spite if you try to hurt the the team. I think burning bridges with one player can create a repercussion in the locker room that is a lot worse than folding to a holdout or trading an unhappy player.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
You think its wise to tell the rest of the league through a blow horn, "IF YOU HOLDOUT ON THE 49ERS YOU WILL GET THE RESULTS YOU WANT!!!"

If Baalke is truly that stupid, then we are going to be in a lot of trouble in the near future. There is no way Baalke is going to throw away the franchise, for a short term gain.

I think it's worse to tell the players under contract and on your own team that we will punish you under spite if you try to hurt the the team. I think burning bridges with one player can create a repercussion in the locker room that is a lot worse than folding to a holdout or trading an unhappy player.

I disagree completely. The players know how the FO operates; that's why Vernon reported on time. Humans, by nature, tend to mistake kindness for weakness. If the FO gives Boone what he wants, the immediate understanding is that holding out, WITH TWO YEARS LEFT ON YOUR DEAL, works here. That is an unsustainable shift in policy that makes contracts essentially worthless for any player who is a bargain to the team. No team can enjoy long-term success without some bargain contributors. He made a poor choice, based on crap advice, and the men on this roster understand that stupid choices have consequences.

Alex Smith was one of the most well-liked guys on the roster, and Joe Staley and a couple of others had hurt feelings when he got benched, but they fell in line because they know the same thing that we know: This organization is about winning games, not braiding each other's, prank calling boys, and talking about feelings.
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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
You think its wise to tell the rest of the league through a blow horn, "IF YOU HOLDOUT ON THE 49ERS YOU WILL GET THE RESULTS YOU WANT!!!"

If Baalke is truly that stupid, then we are going to be in a lot of trouble in the near future. There is no way Baalke is going to throw away the franchise, for a short term gain.

I think it's worse to tell the players under contract and on your own team that we will punish you under spite if you try to hurt the the team. I think burning bridges with one player can create a repercussion in the locker room that is a lot worse than folding to a holdout or trading an unhappy player.

There's no spite involved. He signed a contract and he can either show up and honor the contract or sit on his ass, lose his job and his paycheck. The Niners have proven time and time again to be tough but fair in their negotiations. That's not spite, it's just good business. Boone has every opportunity to get paid even more nicely in his next deal, but in no way are the Niners under any obligation to make that next deal come any faster than the two years that remain. Get to camp Boone, and earn your payday, and who knows, maybe the team rewards your loyalty with a nice little extension like they have with so many other Niners. It's championship time, and champions will get paid.
The Niners hold all the leverage here. Boone will eventually report.
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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Trade Boone and Kap to the Rams for Bradford

Buzz learned English!!!

Whoa!!
Originally posted by Ninerz4Life:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Not only is it the best way to do business. It's the only way to do business.

Encouraging more holdouts is not how you resolve a holdout. It creates a vicious cycle, where more players holdout, you reward them, which encourages more players to hold out, you reward them, which encourages more players to holdout, you reward them, which encourages more players to holdout...

Eventually, you become the Browns. So then years later you think, "How did this happen, how did we destroy our franchise?"
"Well, remember that one time where we rewarded Alex Boone's holdout, in order to obtain a short term gain?"

Your not understanding what I am saying. If you get an offer that blows you away you make the deal. If he is willing to come back to the team and then accept a fair deal then you make that deal.

You don't need another 3rd or 4th round pick so you make him sit until he no longer has any value to you. At that point another player knows if I holdout I won't be traded and I can't force my way into a new contract. Besides a pick can't help you this year anyway and if you wait and call Boone's bluff and he's not bluffing and missed games and all of camp and you just cave and pay him how good is he going to be to you this year? Maybe some but probably not worth the money you just paid him for this year anyway.


If we were offered a first round pick, I would do it, because that would cancel out the damage of the capitulation. If every one of our players held out, and we traded them for first round picks. That might even out. We have to trade him for something BETTER than he is.
I LOVE Alex Boone. I think he is very valuable and he is worth signing for long term money, but he wants elite money which is a joke. He was a UFA, and signed a contract. We have two years of leverage on him, so his holdout is a joke.

It doesn't matter if Boone is bluffing or anything like that. If he is crazy enough to sit for two years, then let him sit for two years. Anything less than a first round pick hurts our team.
A first round pick is not happening in a million years, we are not getting an offer that will blow us away. Therefore, the bottom line is, we can't trade him.

Boone not playing for us is not worthless. Boone not playing for us sends a MESSAGE. It is a valuable message that says, "You will gain nothing if you holdout on the 49ers." This message prevents players from holding out on the team in the future.
A rewarded holdout, encourages players to hold out in the future.

It's a very simple idea, but it takes a lot of discipline to keep that simple idea water tight.
[ Edited by BrianGO on Aug 12, 2014 at 10:50 PM ]
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
You think its wise to tell the rest of the league through a blow horn, "IF YOU HOLDOUT ON THE 49ERS YOU WILL GET THE RESULTS YOU WANT!!!"

If Baalke is truly that stupid, then we are going to be in a lot of trouble in the near future. There is no way Baalke is going to throw away the franchise, for a short term gain.

I think it's worse to tell the players under contract and on your own team that we will punish you under spite if you try to hurt the the team. I think burning bridges with one player can create a repercussion in the locker room that is a lot worse than folding to a holdout or trading an unhappy player.


It's PURE BUSINESS.

There is no spite. Boone is essentially on strike. The 49ers business can either pay him more and encourage more strikes, or not pay him, and discourage more strikes.

Encouraging and or discouraging strikes is the much more important, long term issue here.

If the world was going to end next year, and there was only one season left in the NFL ever, then "yes," I would pay him whatever he wants. I would pay him the entire salary cap next year.

But hopefully, that is not the case, and we have to consider the team's future as more important than one individual in the moment.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
If we were offered a first round pick, I would do it, because that would cancel out the damage of the capitulation. If every one of our players held out, and we traded them for first round picks. That might even out. We have to trade him for something BETTER than he is.
I LOVE Alex Boone. I think he is very valuable and he is worth signing for long term money, but he wants elite money which is a joke. He was a UFA, and signed a contract. We have two years of leverage on him, so his holdout is a joke.

It doesn't matter if Boone is bluffing or anything like that. If he is crazy enough to sit for two years, then let him sit for two years. Anything less than a first round pick hurts our team.
A first round pick is not happening in a million years, we are not getting an offer that will blow us away. Therefore, the bottom line is, we can't trade him.

Boone not playing for us is not worthless. Boone not playing for us sends a MESSAGE. It is a valuable message that says, "You will gain nothing if you holdout on the 49ers." This message prevents players from holding out on the team in the future.
A rewarded holdout, encourages players to hold out in the future.

It's a very simple idea, but it takes a lot of discipline to keep that simple idea water tight.
THIS! Which is why I hope Baalke does not cave in. I have faith in the coaching staff that someone will step up on the OL.
If he was a free agent after this year and making like 8-10 million and not showing up then I'd be much more inclined to trade him. He is signed for 2 more years and making 1.5 and 2.5ish so I'd rather let him sit out for 2 years than trade him for a mid-late round pick. At the least I'd trade him for an early 2nd and that's if we lock up Iupati. At worst probably a mid to late 2nd and an extra pick maybe a mid to late 3rd or early 4th. I worry about extending Crabtree, Culliver and then Iupati (depending on what they want) before extending Boone. I guess it depends on what Boone wants if he want s top guard money I let him hold out. I doubt we would be in this situation if he just said hey throw a few more mil on these last 2 years and extend me for another 3-4 at average money. He's probably saying rip up my deal and give me top guard money for the next 5 years. And for the media and chicken little fans this isnt a distraction at all. We are moving on; the Aldon Smith and Culliver stuff (including before SB) were much bigger distractions. Boone loves it here, loves his OL buddies, speaks highly of Solari so it's not like he has any leverage here not the mention he is signed for 2 more years at a low price. Hopefully this sends a message that if you want to get a long term deal with this team you don't hold out.
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Aug 13, 2014 at 3:57 AM ]