Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:Trade this douche NOWW!! C'mon Baalke, lets do this!
No. It won't happen
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Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:Trade this douche NOWW!! C'mon Baalke, lets do this!
Originally posted by ModestoNiner33:
Originally posted by matt49er:
I agree, let him rot, I'd flat out tell him, we're not going to trade you, we're not going to negotiate with you, sit out for 2 straight years and watch your value plummet, or get into camp, show us you're in shape then we'll talk deal. Otherwise sit out and screw yourself.
It sounds like Vernon's performing well. Maybe the FO should through him a lil money and further send the message that they don't negotiate with non-participants.
Originally posted by BrianGO:Not only is it the best way to do business. It's the only way to do business.
Encouraging more holdouts is not how you resolve a holdout. It creates a vicious cycle, where more players holdout, you reward them, which encourages more players to hold out, you reward them, which encourages more players to holdout, you reward them, which encourages more players to holdout...
Eventually, you become the Browns. So then years later you think, "How did this happen, how did we destroy our franchise?"
"Well, remember that one time where we rewarded Alex Boone's holdout, in order to obtain a short term gain?"
Originally posted by BrianGO:
You think its wise to tell the rest of the league through a blow horn, "IF YOU HOLDOUT ON THE 49ERS YOU WILL GET THE RESULTS YOU WANT!!!"
If Baalke is truly that stupid, then we are going to be in a lot of trouble in the near future. There is no way Baalke is going to throw away the franchise, for a short term gain.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
You think its wise to tell the rest of the league through a blow horn, "IF YOU HOLDOUT ON THE 49ERS YOU WILL GET THE RESULTS YOU WANT!!!"
If Baalke is truly that stupid, then we are going to be in a lot of trouble in the near future. There is no way Baalke is going to throw away the franchise, for a short term gain.
I think it's worse to tell the players under contract and on your own team that we will punish you under spite if you try to hurt the the team. I think burning bridges with one player can create a repercussion in the locker room that is a lot worse than folding to a holdout or trading an unhappy player.
Originally posted by WRATHman44:Originally posted by DonnieDarko:Trade Boone and Kap to the Rams for Bradford
Buzz learned English!!!
Originally posted by Ninerz4Life:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Not only is it the best way to do business. It's the only way to do business.
Encouraging more holdouts is not how you resolve a holdout. It creates a vicious cycle, where more players holdout, you reward them, which encourages more players to hold out, you reward them, which encourages more players to holdout, you reward them, which encourages more players to holdout...
Eventually, you become the Browns. So then years later you think, "How did this happen, how did we destroy our franchise?"
"Well, remember that one time where we rewarded Alex Boone's holdout, in order to obtain a short term gain?"
Your not understanding what I am saying. If you get an offer that blows you away you make the deal. If he is willing to come back to the team and then accept a fair deal then you make that deal.
You don't need another 3rd or 4th round pick so you make him sit until he no longer has any value to you. At that point another player knows if I holdout I won't be traded and I can't force my way into a new contract. Besides a pick can't help you this year anyway and if you wait and call Boone's bluff and he's not bluffing and missed games and all of camp and you just cave and pay him how good is he going to be to you this year? Maybe some but probably not worth the money you just paid him for this year anyway.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
You think its wise to tell the rest of the league through a blow horn, "IF YOU HOLDOUT ON THE 49ERS YOU WILL GET THE RESULTS YOU WANT!!!"
If Baalke is truly that stupid, then we are going to be in a lot of trouble in the near future. There is no way Baalke is going to throw away the franchise, for a short term gain.
I think it's worse to tell the players under contract and on your own team that we will punish you under spite if you try to hurt the the team. I think burning bridges with one player can create a repercussion in the locker room that is a lot worse than folding to a holdout or trading an unhappy player.
Originally posted by BrianGO:THIS! Which is why I hope Baalke does not cave in. I have faith in the coaching staff that someone will step up on the OL.
If we were offered a first round pick, I would do it, because that would cancel out the damage of the capitulation. If every one of our players held out, and we traded them for first round picks. That might even out. We have to trade him for something BETTER than he is.
I LOVE Alex Boone. I think he is very valuable and he is worth signing for long term money, but he wants elite money which is a joke. He was a UFA, and signed a contract. We have two years of leverage on him, so his holdout is a joke.
It doesn't matter if Boone is bluffing or anything like that. If he is crazy enough to sit for two years, then let him sit for two years. Anything less than a first round pick hurts our team.
A first round pick is not happening in a million years, we are not getting an offer that will blow us away. Therefore, the bottom line is, we can't trade him.
Boone not playing for us is not worthless. Boone not playing for us sends a MESSAGE. It is a valuable message that says, "You will gain nothing if you holdout on the 49ers." This message prevents players from holding out on the team in the future.
A rewarded holdout, encourages players to hold out in the future.
It's a very simple idea, but it takes a lot of discipline to keep that simple idea water tight.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Ninerz4Life:
We got enough mid round talent on this team from the last few drafts. I am not in agreement with those that say pay him because they don't say how much. Nor do they mention the fact he may have turned down an extension last off season that would have made him a top 15 paid player at his position. 49ers tried to pay him he said no! I laugh when I hear the word elite. Since when does a player who had one good year and one so so year become elite? Is there a new definition of elite? Elite players don't grade out to negative numbers and Boone's pass blocking last year sucked. Yes he can play T and did well last year against Quinn studying no film. Great one game and doesn't that work both ways Quinn didn't study film of him either.
Do I believe he deserves more absolutely. Do I believe he's a better T than G sure do. Is he better than Joe Looney right now he is yes. He has value because he can play 2 spots on the O line at probably a high level. However he is not elite yet and he's already 27. With that being said I don't think it benefits the team to trade him unless we can get a #1 for him. Or two 2s. We aren't going to get that and he's not going to miss more than a game or two. By that time he will have had no camp and hopefully Looney or Marcus Martin are able to hold it down. My point is no trade because you probably don't get the value for him he is worth and don't break the bank for him because he's not worth that either. Make him come to camp or back to practice give him what he's worth then make him earn his job back. If he chooses to stay away wait until next offseason to trade him by that time he will have screwed himself.
You don't just keep him out of spite. That's a poor way to do business. If you can find a solid replacement out of what we have then you trade him and gain what ever value that you can for next years draft. Draft picks have also shown their value to our GM because he loves to stockpile them.
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Ninerz4Life:
We got enough mid round talent on this team from the last few drafts. I am not in agreement with those that say pay him because they don't say how much. Nor do they mention the fact he may have turned down an extension last off season that would have made him a top 15 paid player at his position. 49ers tried to pay him he said no! I laugh when I hear the word elite. Since when does a player who had one good year and one so so year become elite? Is there a new definition of elite? Elite players don't grade out to negative numbers and Boone's pass blocking last year sucked. Yes he can play T and did well last year against Quinn studying no film. Great one game and doesn't that work both ways Quinn didn't study film of him either.
Do I believe he deserves more absolutely. Do I believe he's a better T than G sure do. Is he better than Joe Looney right now he is yes. He has value because he can play 2 spots on the O line at probably a high level. However he is not elite yet and he's already 27. With that being said I don't think it benefits the team to trade him unless we can get a #1 for him. Or two 2s. We aren't going to get that and he's not going to miss more than a game or two. By that time he will have had no camp and hopefully Looney or Marcus Martin are able to hold it down. My point is no trade because you probably don't get the value for him he is worth and don't break the bank for him because he's not worth that either. Make him come to camp or back to practice give him what he's worth then make him earn his job back. If he chooses to stay away wait until next offseason to trade him by that time he will have screwed himself.
You don't just keep him out of spite. That's a poor way to do business. If you can find a solid replacement out of what we have then you trade him and gain what ever value that you can for next years draft. Draft picks have also shown their value to our GM because he loves to stockpile them.
No. It isn't keeping him out of spite. It is playing the long game.
Players' careers are short, the team remains for the long haul.
Baalke is playing the long game, leaving Boone out in the cold is the best decision for the team, long term.
No heart in business. Business is cold, calculating, functional. Boone is trying to force Baalke's hand.
It can't work. Boone should be held accountable for this behavior as well.
Let him rot, let him pay his penalties. He should owe a lot of "Stupid Tax" when this is all over.