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The Aubrayo Franklin principle.

goldson>franklin

that simple
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
goldson>franklin

that simple


what the heck does that mean?
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
goldson>franklin

that simple


what the heck does that mean?

Aubrayo Franklin was overrated, Dashon Goldson is the mothaf**kin MAN that's what
Very good post - thanks.

I don't think LBS19 is saying Franklin is as good at his position as Goldson is at his position. I think he means that by the time Goldson leave for big money his best days will be behind him and he should take the best offer now. 30 is old for most athletes, especially one's that put so much stress on their bodies.

I agree. Goldson is playing at a high level on a very good D.

I think he deserves more money BUT not top money.

JH/Baalke will get a top S in the draft and we'll continue to roll.
i would love to get Goldson for 3 years/15 mil
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
i would love to get Goldson for 3 years/15 mil

I don't think the issue is simply the amount of money as much as it's the length of the contract. Dashon wants a 5 year deal which SF won't do.
I am more worried about compensation for Dashon if he leaves. It killed us in 90s and 2000s to let our best players leave and not make trades before they left. Watters, Grbac, Owens, Peterson.
Regardless of whether Goldson is better then Franklin, LBSI9ers is correct. It is the principle. I wonder how Franklin feels about that now. Who is Goldson's agent?

NTs and safeties are not going to see big money. They are behind the curve. Weddle was over paid.

Goldson can stay for the right money. I would have ZERO issues if we let him walk. Guess what.......a FS doesn't a defense make. He is a good player, but no Ed Reed. Infact, I think Goldson has gone down this year. He isn't a good tackler. I mean actually making a tackle, not throwing his shoulder. Anyone can do that. He doesn't get low and wrap up. I have one example, just last week against the Rams when Culliver fell down. He had the WR at the 5-6 yard line but was content with being LAZY and hugging the WR into the end zone.

Want the big bucks? Then make that play!

(The defense as a whole has been doing this all year, is it a coaching issue?)

Anyway, draft a FS next year, should have been done last off season anyway.
[ Edited by GoldandGarnet on Nov 17, 2012 at 12:28 PM ]
Originally posted by GoldandGarnet:
Regardless of whether Goldson is better then Franklin, LBSI9ers is correct. It is the principle. I wonder how Franklin feels about that now. Who is Goldson's agent?

NTs and safeties are not going to see big money. They are behind the curve. Weddle was over paid.

Goldson can stay for the right money. I would have ZERO issues if we let him walk. Guess what.......a FS doesn't a defense make. He is a good player, but no Ed Reed. Infact, I think Goldson has gone down this year. He isn't a good tackler. I mean actually making a tackle, not throwing his shoulder. Anyone can do that. He doesn't get low and wrap up. I have one example, just last week against the Rams when Culliver fell down. He had the WR at the 5-6 yard line but was content with being LAZY and hugging the WR into the end zone.

Want the big bucks? Then make that play!

(The defense as a whole has been doing this all year, is it a coaching issue?)

Anyway, draft a FS next year, should have been done last off season anyway.

A FS doesn't a defense make... but the lack of one can kill you, and 'Niners fans above all else should know that. We suffered from lack of speed at the FS position for years and we had a horrid pass defense because of it. You can't play over the top of elite receivers if your safety can't get to the sideline. In effect, you become borderline incapable of double teaming anyone playing near the numbers.
[ Edited by adembroski on Nov 17, 2012 at 1:43 PM ]
LOL at the people who think Soap is a better NT than Franklin.
Keep him for another year and then draft the next Goldson.... My boy Shaq Thompson.
I can see some team overpaying for him in order to make a "splash" in free agency. Dashon makes a lot of flashy plays. He's not the INT machine that Ed Reed is, but he's up there. He also makes a lot of pretty good hits. It adds to this defense. A little sizzle to go along with the steak that guys like Justin Smith, Navorro Bowman, and Patrick Willis bring. Having so many talented and fundamentally sound players around him makes him look better. Hopefully he sees this as well.

On another note, what's all this talk about him being in his 30s (unless they are assuming he will be franchised again next year)? He will be 29 at the start of the season NEXT year. Players at every position do not suddenly decline at age 30. Next thing people will be saying Alex Smith is getting older and declining.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I can see some team overpaying for him in order to make a "splash" in free agency. Dashon makes a lot of flashy plays. He's not the INT machine that Ed Reed is, but he's up there. He also makes a lot of pretty good hits. It adds to this defense. A little sizzle to go along with the steak that guys like Justin Smith, Navorro Bowman, and Patrick Willis bring. Having so many talented and fundamentally sound players around him makes him look better. Hopefully he sees this as well.

On another note, what's all this talk about him being in his 30s (unless they are assuming he will be franchised again next year)? He will be 29 at the start of the season NEXT year. Players at every position do not suddenly decline at age 30. Next thing people will be saying Alex Smith is getting older and declining.


Yes that is what I said we would franchise him next year and he would be 30 when he plays for a new team. That's due to the desire by our front office to resign and keep our players for example Brooks. I think Smith's play after thirty has been stellar but in 1 year he is less dominate.
[ Edited by LBSI9ers on Nov 17, 2012 at 9:55 PM ]
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Yes that is what I said we would franchise him next year and he would be 30 when he plays for a new team. That's due to the desire by our front office to resign and keep our players for example Brooks. I think Smith's play after thirty has been stellar but in 1 year he is less dominate.

Justin Smith is about 33 I believe. Alex Smith is the same age as Goldson. I honestly feel Goldson after 2 great seasons (2011 + 2012) will get his money. Either from the 49ers or another team. Staying with the 49ers would be his best bet, for reasons I mentioned earlier. If he goes to another team that isn't as solid up front and doesn't have the caliber of corners we have (for all the bad talk about Rogers, he is still a good CB), Goldson will not look as good and could be seen as a scapegoat, similar to Mario Williams and Nmandi Asomougha, although I don't expect Goldson's play to be as bad.

Does anyone have a confirmed number of what deal the 49ers have put on the table?
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Yes that is what I said we would franchise him next year and he would be 30 when he plays for a new team. That's due to the desire by our front office to resign and keep our players for example Brooks. I think Smith's play after thirty has been stellar but in 1 year he is less dominate.

Justin Smith is about 33 I believe. Alex Smith is the same age as Goldson. I honestly feel Goldson after 2 great seasons (2011 + 2012) will get his money. Either from the 49ers or another team. Staying with the 49ers would be his best bet, for reasons I mentioned earlier. If he goes to another team that isn't as solid up front and doesn't have the caliber of corners we have (for all the bad talk about Rogers, he is still a good CB), Goldson will not look as good and could be seen as a scapegoat, similar to Mario Williams and Nmandi Asomougha, although I don't expect Goldson's play to be as bad.

Does anyone have a confirmed number of what deal the 49ers have put on the table?


I've read about the same as Weddle's deal. $40M over 5 yrs, $13M sign bonus, $19M guar. I think the issue is that Weddle's deal places him at 30 years old roughly when it expires. Dashon is already at 28.