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Was Ratto spot on about our fans?

Was Ratto spot on about our fans?

PROPS TO LEGBREAKER YOU SAID IT ALL.
Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Our fan base is embarrassing. Seriously. I know fans who are knowledgeable, who appreciate the sport, and who actually UNDERSTAND what the 49ers did in the dynasty years, what they are doing today and the difference between the two.

But our fan base isn't primarily populated with know it all die hards who watch games a religiously as if they were attending mass, who know the difference between a three, five and seven step drop as it pertains to route combinations, timing, and expected outcome. Ours is not a fan base that know the difference between 2-man, cover 2, cover 3, cover 4 or cover 6 defense. Ours is primarily a fan base of bandwagon douchenozzles. It sucks, but it's true.

At a recent game, I had a fan booing Smith so loudly that I had to ask him to shut up. Dude was straight screaming when we were on offense (when our fans should be quiet), and jumping up and down screaming that Joe Montana was awesome...especially in that 1994 Super Bowl. It made me ashamed to be a fan.

The problem is that many of our fans who lived through the good times only remember the REALLY good times. They forget that after the '84 Super Bowl, we got OWNED in the playoffs until 1988. They forget that in our Super Bowl year of 1988, we were 10-6, and that our mighty offense could only score 3 points agains the freakin' Raiders. They forget the clamoring for Steve to replace Joe after we were knocked out of the playoffs in 1987. They forget that even though we were awesome, we didn't win every game of every season, and there were times that we won ugly.

The youngsters are worse, because they've been weaned on tall tales and never actually saw any of it. These people think that the dynasty years were like perpetual games of Madden on rookie.

When people b*tch about our team, even though we're winning, it embarrasses me. Having the opportunity to know fans of very successful teams from all over the country, our home crowd has embarrassed the hell out of me. Whether it be leaving early (sooooo bush league), starting fights, not understanding why they should shut up when we're on offense, booing their own players, whinin g incessantly about their QB, who has 20 wins in his last 25 games, or failing to completely understand the sport they profess to love, our fan base shows up poorly compared to the more storied franchises in the league. It hurts me to admit it, but it's true.

This is the most accurate statement I have heard. I get frustrated with our play sometimes but we are 6-2 and in first place. This is heaven compared to the more recent years. We could be 2-14 again and just be a mess. NO we are 6-2 and fresh off of a NFC championship appearance. It is the bandwagon fans that whine the most. It is so damn frustrating. Lets enjoy the wins and please stop b***hing about our QB. He is our QB and lets support him until he is not!
Originally posted by modninerfan:
I have no idea what makes you think Kaepernick gives us a better shot at winning... He is more exciting, he has a rocket arm, but his decision making and accuracy has been very questionable and those are far more important than the first two things I listed. I like Kaepernick, I remember him playing against my HS. But Alex gives us the best shot at winning the superbowl right now and that should be our goal... not another Cam Newton who puts up yards but loses.

This is really the crux of this topic... the casual or ignorant fan gets caught up in the wow plays, 50 yard bombs, 30 yard QB scrambles. But what Alex Smith does: calling the correct play, checking down to the high percentage receiver, not turning the ball over... thats gonna get us W's. Its going to rest our D, eat up the clock and move us down the field.

This. To me the "wow plays" are short to medium receptions being turned into big gains/tds. A long methodical drive is a thing of beauty. We got to experience that on Monday and it brought me back to my childhood. It was the WCO, and I hope to see more of it. Do these guys think that Joe and Steve were throwing bombs all day with over 35 attempts a game?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/30/49ers-want-nfl-to-change-box-score-give-alex-smith-passing-record/
Lol harbs will say/ do anything to help 11s fragile confidence
[ Edited by 16to87 on Oct 30, 2012 at 7:47 PM ]
Originally posted by McLovinAlexSmith:
Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
Originally posted by McLovinAlexSmith:
Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
Lol of course. At least you're honest.

You must not enjoy winning football as much as you claim. Because there isn't much you can say or have seen from Kaepernick that suggests he would come in and win games right now. And I'm sure every player on that offense as well as the coaches are glad you're not calling the shots.

Im sure they are glad that Im not calling the shots. Hell sometimes Im glad Im not calling the shots. lol

No worries. Same goes for all of us wannabe GMs on here.

I was happy on draft day we took Jenkins and LMJ and they haven't gave us nothing. Last year I was like who the f**k is Aldon Smith and the dude is a baller.

I am happy we are winning but I think Kap could do pretty good. I might be wrong but its just my opinion I dont think it makes me a bad fan.

I dont think you're a bad fan.

Some of your anti-Smith counterparts who only show up to criticize Alex Smith because it's the trendy thing to do and dont offer or have an opinion on any other facet of the team probably because they don't know jack s**t, those are the bad fans imo.
  • Axl49
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Originally posted by Jersey9er:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/49ers-fans-clamor-for-Kaepernick-unfound?blockID=795305&feedID=2800

Like Ratto or not, read all his work or not. I wrote something about our fans a while ago and got a pretty good response.

Funny ass article, especially when he wrote that we stay bit*#@~# about our QB. LMAO

But on a side note is he right about our fan base. I dont know the percentage, but do we bit*(& a lot?

I'd have to say yes, cuz even when we win, we find something to complain about.

What happens when your spoiled with two all time greats at QB back to back
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by NCommand:
When NT first came onto the scene, I was very impressed with the quality of discussions. In fact, there were polls that voted for best "analyst" poster. Man, we used to break down things from every angle but not to bash players or d/t to personal agendas; it was more about team and noticing patterns/trends, etc. where we could get better at...sort of the current Harbaugh theme. If you aren't getting better...

... and WE CAN get back to this, I promise. Decisions.. cuts have to be made in order for the WZ to be awesome. I know it... you know it.. even they know it..

Just gotta do the right thing.

[ Edited by dtg_9er on Oct 30, 2012 at 8:48 PM ]
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Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Our fan base is embarrassing. Seriously. I know fans who are knowledgeable, who appreciate the sport, and who actually UNDERSTAND what the 49ers did in the dynasty years, what they are doing today and the difference between the two.

But our fan base isn't primarily populated with know it all die hards who watch games a religiously as if they were attending mass, who know the difference between a three, five and seven step drop as it pertains to route combinations, timing, and expected outcome. Ours is not a fan base that know the difference between 2-man, cover 2, cover 3, cover 4 or cover 6 defense. Ours is primarily a fan base of bandwagon douchenozzles. It sucks, but it's true.

At a recent game, I had a fan booing Smith so loudly that I had to ask him to shut up. Dude was straight screaming when we were on offense (when our fans should be quiet), and jumping up and down screaming that Joe Montana was awesome...especially in that 1994 Super Bowl. It made me ashamed to be a fan.

The problem is that many of our fans who lived through the good times only remember the REALLY good times. They forget that after the '84 Super Bowl, we got OWNED in the playoffs until 1988. They forget that in our Super Bowl year of 1988, we were 10-6, and that our mighty offense could only score 3 points agains the freakin' Raiders. They forget the clamoring for Steve to replace Joe after we were knocked out of the playoffs in 1987. They forget that even though we were awesome, we didn't win every game of every season, and there were times that we won ugly.

The youngsters are worse, because they've been weaned on tall tales and never actually saw any of it. These people think that the dynasty years were like perpetual games of Madden on rookie.

When people b*tch about our team, even though we're winning, it embarrasses me. Having the opportunity to know fans of very successful teams from all over the country, our home crowd has embarrassed the hell out of me. Whether it be leaving early (sooooo bush league), starting fights, not understanding why they should shut up when we're on offense, booing their own players, whinin g incessantly about their QB, who has 20 wins in his last 25 games, or failing to completely understand the sport they profess to love, our fan base shows up poorly compared to the more storied franchises in the league. It hurts me to admit it, but it's true.

  • dj43
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To me, one of the biggest indicators of a knowledgeable fan base is if they can talk about something other than just the play of the QB or the calls the coach makes. I want to see fans who actually watch the patterns/routes run by the WRs. I want fans who understand the importance of the OL not only creating running lanes for the RBs but also throwing lanes for the QB. I want fans who understand the difference in the roles of 3-4 vs 4-3. There are other things that the VERY knowledgeable will get but the above are relatively simple things that any REASONABLY knowledgeable fan can discuss. Just looking at the volume of posts in threads discussing the QBs versus the rest of the team should give a good indication as to the knowledge level of this fan base.
Originally posted by ElDannMann:
"Other than those few happy years when Joe Montana was free of the shadow of Steve Young (1980-1986), the backup quarterback has always been the most exalted position in the team's history."

Wow, spoken for truth. I think 1986 was the last time the backup QB wasn't the most heralded of positions on the team...

I think you need to also count 1990. Montana was so good in 1989 that all talks of Young taking over any time soon ceased (or at least completely ignored.)
Originally posted by dj43:
To me, one of the biggest indicators of a knowledgeable fan base is if they can talk about something other than just the play of the QB or the calls the coach makes. I want to see fans who actually watch the patterns/routes run by the WRs. I want fans who understand the importance of the OL not only creating running lanes for the RBs but also throwing lanes for the QB. I want fans who understand the difference in the roles of 3-4 vs 4-3. There are other things that the VERY knowledgeable will get but the above are relatively simple things that any REASONABLY knowledgeable fan can discuss. Just looking at the volume of posts in threads discussing the QBs versus the rest of the team should give a good indication as to the knowledge level of this fan base.

Not to start sh*t here with a one-liner, but how about the sack issue? Especially when it's obvious a couple of the sacks were due to Alex standing strong in the pocket waiting for his receivers to get open, or how about when Goodwin misses a block, or when the pocket collapses around him and he's got nowhere to go? Out of the 4 sacks last night, I credit Smith with 1. We have a good OL, but it was built for the run. I know a lot of people want him to take off like Young, but remember Young's career ending because of concussions?
Originally posted by McLovinAlexSmith:
Its not just our fans who say this. Almost every NFL fan I talk to that are not Niner fans all the say the same thing. "Man you guys got a great team the only thing missing is the QB" and I just shake my head and say "yah but hopefully our defense and running game can carry us to the championship."

Its just our fans, its fans of other teams and the majority of the mainstream media.
It's because they have no clue what we are doing on offense, which means they have no clue as to what our offense philosophy is, which is Harbaugh's pure balance approach, which by its very nature means we have a limited passing game. It's been his nature his whole coaching career. I get a kick out of all this willful ignorance simply because one has a beef against Smith. As if Smith has been the cause of all our issues.

Goodness. Grow up people.
Originally posted by McLovinAlexSmith:
I don't care if its Kap starting, I dont care if its Alex or even another draft pick or free agent. I just want good solid star caliber NFL QB play.

And what is YOUR definition of "solid star caliber QB play"???

Please enlighten us all.
I'm sick of this is now a passing league bull crap. This is a football league. There is still defense and runningbacks this isn't qb and wr vs. dbs. Our team will not have a qb consistently throw for 300 yds and up until we have no running game and no defense. We have been up early and very successful with our running game. Two games we lost. Two. Maybe we didn't beat the Giants and the Vikings, but they are talented teams. We can't win every game, and you can't expect Alex to be great in every game.

People forget that, Eli Manning and his plethora of weapons was equally bogged down by the end of regulation. Maybe Alex Smith < Eli Manning, but the
49ers > Giants. We dropped one to them this year but in the playoffs we will be out for their blood. With our offense getting into it's groove right now, we are going to get better when the playoffs come around.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Some of our fans are clueless idiots, every team has them though.

SO MUCH THIS!!!!

I've had to deal with it since Nolan got hired. It boggles the mind....it's less stressful if you try not to make sense of it really.