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Declining the safety

Originally posted by Gore_21:
Yeah, but before hearing Harbaughs thoughts as chaz said harbaugh though it was an 8 point game or something like that I was thinking the main concern is injury. 0 percent chance of injury on a kneel down unless you are playing the bucs. chances of squib punt injury on onside, very great plus you put the defense back out on the field. Already been a brutal game, chance of injury is much greater on a play like below. Also, why put the defense back out there if they recover it.



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The question is...Do you take the ball to kneel down and end the game with a win, or take a 2 score lead and extend the game?

You can accept a win and be done or take a bigger lead and give them a chance at the ball. Only betters and dicks on Madden would do the latter.
Originally posted by mug0mug:
The question is...Do you take the ball to kneel down and end the game with a win, or take a 2 score lead and extend the game?

You can accept a win and be done or take a bigger lead and give them a chance at the ball. Only betters and dicks on Madden would do the latter.

Again, it comes down to what seems more far-fetched, a bad QB/center exchange (which probably happens on average AT LEAST once per weekend of NFL football) and then they score once, or a team converting an onside punt, going down the field and scoring a TD, getting ANOTHER successful onside kick, and driving for ANOTHER score, all in less than 50 seconds and with no timeouts...something that doesn't exactly happen as much as merely a botched snap...I don't see how so many think the latter is clearly less far-fetched
It makes no sense at all. If you have a 7 point lead you want 9. 9 is 2 scores. You could fumble the QB, center exchange and they could tie the game. It's no logic as a football strategy. I guess Harbaugh just wanted the game over and counted on us not fumbling or doing something stupid.
GTFO of here. Nobody gives a damn about covering the spread except gamblers. Harbaugh did what was best for the team and his players' safety. If 49ers fans cheer for him less because of it, all it does is prove how shallow and vain the fanbase is.
Originally posted by SmileyJetson:
GTFO of here. Nobody gives a damn about covering the spread except gamblers. Harbaugh did what was best for the team and his players' safety. If 49ers fans cheer for him less because of it, all it does is prove how shallow and vain the fanbase is.

Oh, right, because botched snaps NEVER happen...YOU gtfo if you can't be civil.
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Originally posted by lordfangio:
Originally posted by mug0mug:
The question is...Do you take the ball to kneel down and end the game with a win, or take a 2 score lead and extend the game?

You can accept a win and be done or take a bigger lead and give them a chance at the ball. Only betters and dicks on Madden would do the latter.

Again, it comes down to what seems more far-fetched, a bad QB/center exchange (which probably happens on average AT LEAST once per weekend of NFL football) and then they score once, or a team converting an onside punt, going down the field and scoring a TD, getting ANOTHER successful onside kick, and driving for ANOTHER score, all in less than 50 seconds and with no timeouts...something that doesn't exactly happen as much as merely a botched snap...I don't see how so many think the latter is clearly less far-fetched
I have never seen a bad snap in a victory formation. Also, you would still have the bad snap risk if you did take the 2 points and did victory formation after recovering the onside punt. Harbaugh made the right call, since it cut down the risk of injury to his team.
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He made the right choice. If they would have punted and Ginn muffed it and it was taken in for a score. All they have to do is Yes onside kick and pass to get close enough for a field goal. There was still enough time on the clock with roughly 42 seconds. It is a slim possibility that something like that could happen. Kneeling was the safest under the circumstances.
Who has the rules on safety punts?

What is an onside punt?
On a normal punt, the receiving team doesn't need to move, as long as they don't touch the ball is down where it stops.

Is it different for safety punts.
This thread is moot.

We take the safety, we win.

We don't, we still win.

Only people who are gamblers care
[ Edited by Young2Rice on Oct 18, 2012 at 11:49 PM ]
Much less chance of a botched snapped than someone getting hurt on a punt. If you get a chance at a kneel down to end the game, you take it. Only a gambler would be pissed about Harbaugh taking two points off the board.
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
harbaugh was in a mad panic, didn't realize the score was more than 8 with the safety. end of story. He said so in a post game presser. Not in those words, but he thought they could onside kick and win the game if we took the safety.

Good to know the head coach is on top of the score of the game...

Sometimes Harbaugh makes some dumb in-game choices. Like last week with the challenge that wasnt even close. Theres supposed to be a guy upstairs who looks at the same replays the fans see on TV, and can relay a message to challenge or not. He threw that red flag all confident. The refs looked at the play for like 15 secs just out of formality. It was an embarrassingly bad challenge. His track record on challenges is terrible so far in his short career.

Obviously Harbaugh is a fantastic coach, but he needs better in-game advice. Im not saying hes in Andy Reid territory, but he could definitely use some help with those kinds of choices.
I dont get how one can defend Harbaugh on that one unless he REALLY didnt realize that the safety would give us a 2possession-lead...Even if they tried and won an onside-kick, who cares? Send the 2nd-string unit out there, period.
Originally posted by lordfangio:
Originally posted by SmileyJetson:
GTFO of here. Nobody gives a damn about covering the spread except gamblers. Harbaugh did what was best for the team and his players' safety. If 49ers fans cheer for him less because of it, all it does is prove how shallow and vain the fanbase is.

Oh, right, because botched snaps NEVER happen...YOU gtfo if you can't be civil.

Both suspended. Learn some manners please.