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Greg Roman, is he really good?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GoNiners:
wow I had no idea Hunter and James have a combined 3 catches.

Its absolutely f**king inexcusable, anyone who still defends Roman at this point is an undercover Raiders or Seahawks fan as far as I'm concerned.

Preach on my brotha!
Originally posted by jreff22:
I keep saying this because we dont have an answer....who is making the personnel decisions? Maybe it's Harbs...
Greg Roman talks to the other coaches between series and comes up with a list of plays. He gives Harbaugh the play call on the sideline. Then, Harbaugh sends the call into Kaepernick Therefore, if the plays that are coming in are not working on the field, it still starts with Roman. If Harbaugh has to axe one of the calls and the Niners take a delay of game, it is still on Roman. If they don't have enough clock to change the play and are forced to roll with a bad call, that's on Roman.
you should post this in the kap thread to all of the people saying he isn't intelligent enough to get to the line and call plays on time
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Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
LOL, this. Some of the articles I've seen recently make me think some journalists are lurking in the Webzone.

saying things we've said word for word.

I think any good beat writer trolls forums. What better way to get almost guaranteed hits and clicks then to start talking about what the forum readers are saying.
[ Edited by sfout on Nov 20, 2013 at 12:53 PM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

this lends huge credibility to our decoy assertion.
and the lack of options for kapernick. if the fullback and a 2nd tight end get more snaps than a 2nd wr.
how is a qb supposed to be dynamic when the weapons he has can't realistically do damage running past 5-7 yards? he's out there with either vd being doubled or boldin being doubled..

why not just KEEP baldwin on the field to stretch the defense whether you throw it to him or not?
well probably because it would make too much sense like using lmj and hunter in space to eat up opponents defenses.

he's failing so miserably but people still want to blame kap he's probably frustrated to no end with the play calling and selection but would never utter a word saying so.
Originally posted by sfout:
I think any good beat writer trolls forums. What better way to get almost guaranteed hits and clicks then to start talking about what the forum readers are saying.

yea but in this case they're getting the truth instead of just banter. verifiable by data and the eye test. im surprised it took them this long to do this. it should have been week 2
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
the good news is the journalist have been lurking here and are starting to parrot the things we've said on a national front.

i just don't see why anyone is surprised our offense is dead last in passing when a team stacks the box and roman's response is to continue to stack the box with even more non essential personnel.
he has to lead the league in non essential personnel players running blocking routes. and fb going out for passes.

we don't even have a 2nd wr on the field half of the time.. how on earth is that even possible?

LOL, this. Some of the articles I've seen recently make me think some journalists are lurking in the Webzone.

Oh they ARE. They have even stolen some of the "work" in the past. Remember the first down production thread I had a while ago? The importance of 4+ yards on 1st down and it was critical to our success and the STRONG correlation it had to wins? I was keeping a running total...yeah, it suddenly appeared in an article. I have no issues with it b/c it helps drive home the point (and that merely was an observation I made...like the AR now). It's smart if you think about it...let the fans do all the work and research and take the credit. LOL
Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh they ARE. They have even stolen some of the "work" in the past. Remember the first down production thread I had a while ago? The importance of 4+ yards on 1st down and it was critical to our success and the STRONG correlation it had to wins? I was keeping a running total...yeah, it suddenly appeared in an article. I have no issues with it b/c it helps drive home the point (and that merely was an observation I made...like the AR now). It's smart if you think about it...let the fans do all the work and research and take the credit. LOL

then someone on the team needs to lurk here and take it right to jim harbaugh and bypass greg roman.
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
i wish harbaugh would take over already and get this guy out of here. harbaugh knows offense and was a QB for a long time so he knows the game inside out.

I was thinking about that too... but look at who Harbaugh is, he wants his hand in all the cookie jars not just offense. I dont think he would be comfortable taking his hand off the pulse of the team to focus solely on offense. But it would be awesome if he put Rathman or Chryst in charge of calling plays, or anyone on the offensive staff but Roman.

not so sure about that. i think harbaugh is a team player and he trusts fangio a lot. he has no reason not to trust him. he said in a presser a few times that he just lets vic do what hes got to do and doesnt interfere. he knows defense isnt his thing and fangio has given him no reason not to trust him. since hes been here our defense has been among the best. harbaugh should take over the offense in my opinion.
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
not so sure about that. i think harbaugh is a team player and he trusts fangio a lot. he has no reason not to trust him. he said in a presser a few times that he just lets vic do what hes got to do and doesnt interfere. he knows defense isnt his thing and fangio has given him no reason not to trust him. since hes been here our defense has been among the best. harbaugh should take over the offense in my opinion.

has to take over the offense he isn't dense he has to know as a former qb that your chances of having a rhythmic passing offense are next to none if you trot out 2te's and a fb with only 1wr majority of the time
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1856500-san-francisco-49ers-5-reasons-greg-roman-should-be-on-the-hot-seat/page/6


This say it all.
"By taking away Kaepernick's running, Roman and Harbaugh are not utilizing his skills optimally. They are putting shackles on him, which has caused Kaepernick to lose his confidence and the swagger he played with last year."

"This problem is something that should not be as prevalent this late in the season. Roman needs to get the plays to Kaepernick faster, enabling him to make the audible and adjust when he needs to.The lack of urgency in getting the plays called quickly results in the 49ers wasting timeouts, and there is no excuse for that."


"Keeping Colin Kaepernick in the pocket at all times reduces his effectiveness. It is very surprising that offensive coordinator Greg Roman does not employ more roll-outs and moving pockets for Kaepernick."

"For some reason, there is also a complete disdain for the screen pass. When an offensive line is having trouble with a defensive front, the screen is a way to keep that pass rush at bay.The 49ers rarely employ the flare pass to the backs or a checkdown, which can get positive yardage when the alternative is trying to force the ball into coverage.With Kendall Hunter and LaMichael James, a simple flare pass can turn into a big gainer, as Hunter and James have the elusiveness to make big plays in the open field. Combined, Hunter and James have only three catches on the year."




How much more remedial and mediocre can he get?

Hunter and LMJ have a whopping three catches? COMBINED?! That's enough for any SANE HC to send this inept loser packing.

So sick of all the excuses for him. Roman's failure to make adjustments is contributed to the FACT that he is a stubborn OC with a college offensive mindset. His tricks and gimmicks fool no one anymore, the league has adjusted to him and it couldn't be more obvious by the state of the 2013 49ers offense that he has no answers.

Want him gone by the end of the year, I don't want to wait for him to figure things out or get better. He's making the same crucial mistakes he made in the Super Bowl which cost us another championship and now, this year, we're in danger of missing the playoffs. We need a real professional NFL OC that makes us better, not an OC whose stuck in his college philosophies, refuses to adapt, adjust, and wastes all of the talent that he is afforded on this roster.

I'm with Phoenix, anyone still defending him must be a Seahawk fan or something. Roman will drive this team into the ground the longer he stays.

Roman -
Eric Branch ‏@Eric_Branch4m
#49ers Frank Gore: "Defenses are doing a great job on us, game-planning wise."




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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GoNiners:
wow I had no idea Hunter and James have a combined 3 catches.

Its absolutely f**king inexcusable, anyone who still defends Roman at this point is an undercover Raiders or Seahawks fan as far as I'm concerned.

I keep saying this because we dont have an answer....who is making the personnel decisions? Maybe it's Harbs...
if jh makes those decisions he is a moron, if roman makes those decisions, it must get by JH. he has done some good things as our coach but come one at some of this s**t
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Originally posted by verb1der:
Eric Branch ‏@Eric_Branch4m
#49ers Frank Gore: "Defenses are doing a great job on us, game-planning wise."




that is code for "the coaches are either unable or unwilling to adjust to whatever the defenses are doing to us"
in my opinion
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Eric Branch ‏@Eric_Branch4m
#49ers Frank Gore: "Defenses are doing a great job on us, game-planning wise."




that is code for "the coaches are either unable or unwilling to adjust to whatever the defenses are doing to us"
in my opinion

fully agree
I have a friend with cerebral palsy who was telling me this weekend what play was coming next out of this offense.

Jim Harbaugh, you need to fire Roman ..... NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you need to fire Morton ..... NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TAKE OVER JIM
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