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Greg Roman, is he really good?

Originally posted by chico49erfan:
I pray Roman is watching this Denver KC game. These are NFL plays being called.

Why? Do you think he is worth keeping as long as he can learn by watching football? Interesting. I hope Harbaugh is watching.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Adrian, Brees had the ball gone within 2-3 seconds, virtually the entire game. Midway thru the 3rd qtr, he had completed passes to 11 (ELEVEN) different receivers. Kap has trouble going thru a progression and his peripheral vision must be half of most folks. When he looks long, he can't see short...and vice versa. Once again after a tiny handful of 1-3 steppers, most successful, roman reverted to the 20+ yd passes, which frankly, kap cannot throw with anywhere close to NFL accuracy. Kap is basically wildly inaccurate, can't throw to where a receiver is , instead throwing to where he was. One exception was the string of 6 passes in mid game with several being over the opposite shoulder. Aside from those, roman just reverted to his one receiver , go long passes, most of which ended up with kap getting sacked, hit, or run out of bounds. Sad, just really really sad. Still and all, we were actually in a game with an elite team and somehow we came close...way closer than last 3 loses. I can take that, altho roman was pukey. Roman has now called the O against the last 4 elites for losses. At least we finally were in one loss. Altho in the end, JH once again got outcoached near end of game..


Of course this is nonsense. His accuracy with deep passes has been pretty good, ranked among the highest last season in the NFL. He's proven he can make those passes when the receivers are there to catch them, if they actually catch those passes. The biggest problem is that the Saints were getting a ton of pressure on Kaepernick, when he went to scramble, as he looked downfield, nobody got open. On 3 separate occasions, he was literally faced with multiple receivers, backs turned towards him, blocking downfield. Where the hell is he supposed to throw the ball?


The more conservative the coaching staff gets, the worse the results become, Carolina was doing the same thing earlier this season and they were losing games, when Rivera finally said "f**k it" and unleashed Cam Newton, that is when they started to win games. The coaching staff is trying so hard to "protect" Kaepernick that they are basically screwing him over by not letting him the dynamic player he can be.


Teams can blitz without consequence because the 49ers won't utilize screens in their passing game and when Kaepernick has to scramble, basically nobody is open. I wouldn't have any expectations for a QB in this system right now. Kaepernick could stand to play better and be more aggressive, play more confidently, but realistically, seeing the Mickey Mouse offense they've been running, what reason is there for confidence?



At this point, the coaching staff should let Kaepernick go, take the restraints off and for better or worse, let him play his game.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Adrian, Brees had the ball gone within 2-3 seconds, virtually the entire game. Midway thru the 3rd qtr, he had completed passes to 11 (ELEVEN) different receivers. Kap has trouble going thru a progression and his peripheral vision must be half of most folks. When he looks long, he can't see short...and vice versa. Once again after a tiny handful of 1-3 steppers, most successful, roman reverted to the 20+ yd passes, which frankly, kap cannot throw with anywhere close to NFL accuracy. Kap is basically wildly inaccurate, can't throw to where a receiver is , instead throwing to where he was. One exception was the string of 6 passes in mid game with several being over the opposite shoulder. Aside from those, roman just reverted to his one receiver , go long passes, most of which ended up with kap getting sacked, hit, or run out of bounds. Sad, just really really sad. Still and all, we were actually in a game with an elite team and somehow we came close...way closer than last 3 loses. I can take that, altho roman was pukey. Roman has now called the O against the last 4 elites for losses. At least we finally were in one loss. Altho in the end, JH once again got outcoached near end of game..

that's the problem he doesn't give him a chance.

on a few sacks he's getting touched after his drop and you see down the field and there's "nothing" to quote aikman.
he can go through reads he has to have time and he has to have multiple options.

they finally sent gore out of the backfield today and he hit him more than a few times didn't he?

brees has the ball gone, depending on the route he knows who should be open.

if colin is waiting for 1 of 2 options then yes it looks like he can't see half the field, is it out of the realm of possibility that roman is telling him who the plays should go to?

i think they're taking options out of his hands for their own arrogant reasons.

"i designed this to do this and this is what we're doing"

instead of

"here, here, here, or here"

last season they didn't have time to install their own special plays so we kept with the same things alex was doing and then added a pistol option. but the offense was the same as when alex had it with multiple options and kap made multiple reads didn't he? yes he did.

and for some reason an offense that was good enough to carry the team they changed it totally... out of arrogance.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Of course this is nonsense. His accuracy with deep passes has been pretty good, ranked among the highest last season in the NFL. He's proven he can make those passes when the receivers are there to catch them, if they actually catch those passes. The biggest problem is that the Saints were getting a ton of pressure on Kaepernick, when he went to scramble, as he looked downfield, nobody got open. On 3 separate occasions, he was literally faced with multiple receivers, backs turned towards him, blocking downfield. Where the hell is he supposed to throw the ball?


The more conservative the coaching staff gets, the worse the results become, Carolina was doing the same thing earlier this season and they were losing games, when Rivera finally said "f**k it" and unleashed Cam Newton, that is when they started to win games. The coaching staff is trying so hard to "protect" Kaepernick that they are basically screwing him over by not letting him the dynamic player he can be.


Teams can blitz without consequence because the 49ers won't utilize screens in their passing game and when Kaepernick has to scramble, basically nobody is open. I wouldn't have any expectations for a QB in this system right now. Kaepernick could stand to play better and be more aggressive, play more confidently, but realistically, seeing the Mickey Mouse offense they've been running, what reason is there for confidence?



At this point, the coaching staff should let Kaepernick go, take the restraints off and for better or worse, let him play his game.

the only way you can win is if you unleash

and game by game as they don't do it
they subject the qb to all of the speculation and scrutiny he is under

the first game he ever started he literally made several reads quickly and went through progressions down to the 3rd and 4th option

the 1st game...

and throughout he did the same thing

SUDDENLY he can't do it?
f**k you roman and your s**tty play calling.

i hope our new OC runs a screen on his first play call and goes 80 yards for a TD
Fucc Roman, you suck, stupid ass OC, blah....blah...blah. Yes I get it, we all get it. But let me tell you this, obviously Harbaugh loves Roman and he won't fire him. So, as sh*tty as Roman's play calling this year, he will NOT attract any HC job anywhere. So unfortunately for us, he will be stuck with us for another season. I just hope Baalke pressures Harbaugh into firing this douche, but I doubt it. We just gotta hope for the best, and expect the worst.
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this is still a question? good god.but JH will stand by his man. he is just as much to blame because he lets it go. i am past being mad at roman and i just accept the fact he is here, nothing will change and JH must be ok with the fourth quarter of offense that roman put together yesterday
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
f**k you roman and your s**tty play calling.

i hope our new OC runs a screen on his first play call and goes 80 yards for a TD

Has he been fired yet? Seriously...someone PM when he has been fired and we bring in a real NFL OC, please.
Roman has proven he's worthless.

What I see happening is a very bad effect on Kap. He's unintentionally being set up to fail and it's impacting his confidence. I hope they don't ruin him.

I also hope JH isn't so stubborn that he won't step in and make a change. The season isn't lost YET but the clock is ticking.

At this point we are not a championship caliber team.
Nothing is going to be done mid season as far as coaching changes go. Pointless to even discuss it as it will NEVER happen. If something is going to be done this season it has to come from Harbaugh. He has to step in and try something different with the offenses approach. We can't keep running Frank into a brick wall. They HAVE to find a way to back defenses off some. Having to face 8 or 9 guys in the box consistently regardless of down and distance is so frustrating to watch. I can't imagine how frustrating it has been for the players. Game planning changes and the offensive game plans have to change against better competition.
My biggest issue with this loss is with the apparent and increasingly obvious incompetence of SF's OC Greg Roman and the regression of QB Colin Kaepernick. Don't tell me about the lack of weapons. Teams with much lesser personnel win every Sunday. The 49ers offense is just not getting it done. And if I have to watch hip hop Kap with his sideways hip hop cap saying after the game that "we just didn't execute" one more time, I'm going to start writing letters to York and Baalke. Oh what could've been...
Dear Greg Roman, YOU SUCK! If Harbaugh won't fire you then please do the honorable thing and JUST LEAVE!!! Do you need a bus pass? I got five on it.
Are you sure Jim and John are brothers? One has the balls to fire his OC midseason. But we all asking for something unrealistic. Any change like that wouldn't happen til the off season. Our offense will be the death of this team's playoff chances.
He is really good at eating
To help Kap out with the passing attack, I think the 49ers need to use more 3WR sets, plus VD continuing to play the hybrid role. Take Vance and Miller off the field. I get that the 49ers philosophy is to pass out of running personnel (2TEs) and run formations (2TEs on the line, next to the tackles), but that does the passing attack zero favors. When passing out of running formations, it puts the wideouts on 1 on 1 situations with the DB across from them. This makes gaining separation from route running a premium. Crabs and Ham are the only players capable of this. Boldin is 'always open', but sometimes that isn't enough for Kap to pull the trigger.

When using 3WR/spread formations, the offense can use combination routes where two/three WRs can work in tandem to free each other up. Think smash/snag/mesh concepts. When doing this with Miller and Vance as route runners, it just isn't the same as those guys aren't able to get separation a way a WR can/should, rendering them next to useless as options. Harbaugh puts a premium on being able to run or pass out of the 2TE personnel package, but it doesn't do him many favors when trying to pass out of this set. It's okay if you have WRs that can gain separation 1 on 1, but that isn't the case right now.

If the 49ers want to take it to the next level with the passing game, they need a paradigm shift. From an offense that uses heavy run personnel to one that uses more 3WR sets. Do they have the personnel to do this effectively is a question, but trying to continually pass out of formations and personnel that do not deploy good route runners (Miller/Vance) makes it tough on any passing attack.