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Greg Roman, is he really good?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by JoeBart324:
I'm fully in agreement. I don't think the Niners need to return to a replica of the Bill Walsh era WCO to be a successful franchise, but the passing concepts and route trees the current team runs seem rudimentary.

I'm often reminded of an article I read a while ago about Peyton Manning's offense and that it was largely based off a simple "levels" concept on virtually every passing play. It's not complicated whatsoever and if run correctly will usually result in some receiver being open. The whole goal is to stretch the defense both horizontally and vertically. The QB just needs to go through the progressions and find the guy to throw to. I think the Niners are running an offense that uses clearout route concepts rather than a progression system. If the secondary receivers cannot clearout the defense for the primary read there is no other read to go to. Defenses have keyed in on this and have largely shut down the Niners passing offense.

Again, this comes back to talent levels. When the Niners have better overall talent than the opposition, they can just pound them into submission. When talent levels are fairly equal, this system struggles as we've seen.


Pretty much this, today we saw Kaepernick take off and scramble and you had WR's no turning around, not breaking off their routes, guys were blocking way downfield, he basically had nobody to throw the ball to. It is simply unacceptable on every level.
So true and sooooo agravating.

There is no progression, also evidenced by the way a QB rolls out away for the side of the field with the majority of receivers and force it to the only receiver in the direction of the roll out. Our offense plays checkers, the rest of the NFL is playing chess.
I pray Roman is watching this Denver KC game. These are NFL plays being called.
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Originally posted by chico49erfan:
I pray Roman is watching this Denver KC game. These are NFL plays being called.
You know he aint.......dude probably eating taco bell right now
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
I pray Roman is watching this Denver KC game. These are NFL plays being called.

He's actually watching old tapes of Nebraska in the 80s, trying to come up with some more clever playcalling.
Roman reminds me of Mike Martz in that they both have a one track mind and refuse to adapt.
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
I pray Roman is watching this Denver KC game. These are NFL plays being called.

Me too. And not just the play calls/concepts.

Have you seen the play clock ticking down on any play yet? It could be NBC's coverage, but neither team seems terribly pressed to snap the ball before the play clock expires. The Niners routinely snap the ball with 1 second left, and this is with Kaep not even having time to read the defense. That is simply getting the play off after doing all the Niners' ridiculous pre snap movements.
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by TlSSER:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/29/offensive-innovator-chris-ault-leaves-nevada-could-head-to-nfl/

"I have a lot left in me," Ault said. "I'm in my offensive prime. I feel good about where I'm at. My energy level is still very high. Whether I coach again, I don't know."

Ault is an innovative offensive mind who created a modified shotgun offense that he calls the "pistol," and he has a lot of admirers among the NFL coaching ranks. Those admirers include 49ers offensive coordinator Greg Roman, who traveled to Nevada to learn from Ault and has started employing a lot of Ault's concepts in the 49ers' offense, run by one of Ault's former quarterbacks, Colin Kaepernick.

We hired Paul Wulff after Washington State fired him, he is now a "Senior Offensive Consultant" or something of that nature. At minimum I could see Ault being hired in a similar capacity but at the same time I wouldn't bat an eyelash if we made him OC, especially because we apparently have 3 play callers already. Roman with running game, WR coach Morton with the passing game, QB coach Chryst with red zone plays.

This f'in Morton jackwad needs to go. But, now that you say he coaches the passing game it makes sense. So...the prevailing question here is, what does Harbaugh do?
Originally posted by BadgerHawk:
This f'in Morton jackwad needs to go. But, now that you say he coaches the passing game it makes sense. So...the prevailing question here is, what does Harbaugh do?

Most of these guys have very mediocre NFL backgrounds, Chryst, Morton..etc....very little to praise, the highlight of their careers has been as generic "offensive assistants", Morton's claim to fame has largely been in coaching TE's and OL, just like Roman. Morton coached the passing game for Harbaugh at San Diego State and he was OC at USC for a season, however none of that inspires nor impresses me, plenty of college level guys who haven't panned out and so far I haven't seen anything from the passing offense or improvement in the receivers to make me not think that Morton is in over his head.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Most of these guys have very mediocre NFL backgrounds, Chryst, Morton..etc....very little to praise, the highlight of their careers has been as generic "offensive assistants", Morton's claim to fame has largely been in coaching TE's and OL, just like Roman. Morton coached the passing game for Harbaugh at San Diego State and he was OC at USC for a season, however none of that inspires nor impresses me, plenty of college level guys who haven't panned out and so far I haven't seen anything from the passing offense or improvement in the receivers to make me not think that Morton is in over his head.

we don't even need to change anything but the person calling the plays.

hand over the playbook im sure there are lots of plays we don't use because of roman

just take the playbook get someone who is decisive and can make a call quickly that makes sense and our offense would be unstoppable.

this loser just wants gadget plays and 1 man routes

just don't even let him back into the facility.

that

or jim has to take control of the play calling total control of them. and the game plan.

what does jim do all week? cause know vic handles the defense by himself and they've been STELLAR

so what do jim and greg do?
Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
Roman reminds me of Mike Martz in that they both have a one track mind and refuse to adapt.

he needs to change his style or get demoted.

numerous times tonight the said had 10 guys in the box, and we stuck with the run. almost all of our drivers were, run on 1st down, pass on 2nd down. even joe buck picked up on that. the saints realized it as well since the mostly played zone defense on 2nd down. i thought we were going to have a good half time adjustment, but not with this guy. f**king mike dinglberry 2.0
look at the elite passing offenses

it is not complex any of them.

they have multiple wr routes and then get rid of the ball quickly and take deep shots every so often.

today brees, 30 completions for 305 yards.. know what that means? dink and dunk with a few chunk plays..

peyton gets rid of the ball before you can even get to him...

all the broncos do is run a go route, 2 crossing routes every damn down and whoever is open first gets the ball.

it's not hard to grasp for anyone not named greg roman
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
he needs to change his style or get demoted.

numerous times tonight the said had 10 guys in the box, and we stuck with the run. almost all of our drivers were, run on 1st down, pass on 2nd down. even joe buck picked up on that. the saints realized it as well since the mostly played zone defense on 2nd down. i thought we were going to have a good half time adjustment, but not with this guy. f**king mike dinglberry 2.0

no double moves nothing no screens NOTHING no adjustments the only adjustments he ever makes is going away from the run

that's it

the one adjustment he SHOULDN'T make

is the one he makes every loss

can't make this crap up
I have a suspicion Jim Harbaugh will agree with what I'm about to write. I suspect Harbaugh believes Greg Roman is not good enough to be the 49ers' offensive coordinator.

I sure don't think he's good enough.

Harbaugh has stressed again and again, "This is Greg Roman's offense."

When I first heard that simple declarative statement, I thought, "Gee, Harbaugh is praising the underling. That's nice of Harbaugh to give someone else credit."

I've begun to embrace an alternate interpretation. Harbaugh is not praising Roman. He's assigning blame, assigning blame for four games in particular, games in which the 49ers scored, 13, 3, 13 and 13 points. Those are unacceptable totals in one-third of the games played to date.

"This is Greg Roman's offense."

Such as it is.

You can call this column "Greg Roman"s Football Sins."


"I certainly think if we had to do it all over again we'd call some different plays," Smith said. "We were getting pressure the entire time and we didn't call pressure beaters."

Smith said the offensive line and running backs are still frustrated they weren't given the chance to win the game. And he's still perplexed by the play-calling.

"On the last play I was on the sideline screaming for a timeout because we had called a play that had no pressure answer," Smith said. "Colin (Kaepernick) did the best he could with the signal and the throw. I'm sure if the coaches had it to do over again they'd call something with a better pressure answer."




These issues with the offensive playcalling have been evident since 2011, I used to bring it up and people would laugh because the 49ers were winning games, now that they are struggling to win, the problems become more and more evident.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Nov 17, 2013 at 10:00 PM ]
Adrian, Brees had the ball gone within 2-3 seconds, virtually the entire game. Midway thru the 3rd qtr, he had completed passes to 11 (ELEVEN) different receivers. Kap has trouble going thru a progression and his peripheral vision must be half of most folks. When he looks long, he can't see short...and vice versa. Once again after a tiny handful of 1-3 steppers, most successful, roman reverted to the 20+ yd passes, which frankly, kap cannot throw with anywhere close to NFL accuracy. Kap is basically wildly inaccurate, can't throw to where a receiver is , instead throwing to where he was. One exception was the string of 6 passes in mid game with several being over the opposite shoulder. Aside from those, roman just reverted to his one receiver , go long passes, most of which ended up with kap getting sacked, hit, or run out of bounds. Sad, just really really sad. Still and all, we were actually in a game with an elite team and somehow we came close...way closer than last 3 loses. I can take that, altho roman was pukey. Roman has now called the O against the last 4 elites for losses. At least we finally were in one loss. Altho in the end, JH once again got outcoached near end of game..