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Greg Roman, is he really good?

Jimmy Raye would have pounded the Saints up the gut on route to a 20-14 victory
Originally posted by JerryRice1848:
Jimmy Raye would have pounded the Saints up the gut on route to a 20-14 victory

Jimmy Raye was watching the game today and was overheard asking "why is the 49ers playcalling so predictable?"
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Nov 17, 2013 at 5:53 PM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Harbaugh wanted Marc Trestman, Marc Trestman wanted a head coaching spot, which he did get. Had Trestman become the OC, this passing game would be leaps and bounds better than what we are seeing currently.


Harbaugh got hired and decided to bring along all his buddies, in the mix he brought in some good coaches and some terrible coaches.

Well, I don't know about "terrible." I would say, coaches that brought some wrinkles that had some success, but are now being snuffed out. I don't think we have an answer. We need some changes in the game planning and play calling -- both.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Jimmy Raye was watching the game today and was overheard asking "why is the 49ers playcalling so predictable?"

It's because of that yahoo Roman.
Originally posted by jimrat:
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by JoeBart324:
Another issue is the sheer amount of time it takes to get a play off. These time outs the Niners take in the first quarter because the play call has not been there has been a problem for what seems like an eternity. Damn near every other team in the NFL can get a play call in with plenty of time to make adjustments. The Niners cannot. This also destroys the Niners in the two minute drill. I also think this is limiting what Kaep can do with the offense. He's far to concerned with getting all the adjustments just right in a limited amount of time because the play call gets in with just about 9 seconds left to get the play off.

That is on Roman and Harbaugh. And quite frankly I think it is on Roman more than Harbaugh.

Again, Roman will be gone at the end of the season if not before then. This offense has had problems since he's been here and it hasn't gotten better. QBs have changed, but the overall issues with it have remained.

exactly

he doesn't even have a plan.

call the play get it in let him make the adjustments

the same problems we've had the entire time here

if jim has balls he'll fire him before they even get back to new orleans

that's 4 games

This, this is flat out embarassing. Harbaugh needs to start calling the plays or promote somebody.

100% agree... How does an offense like this expect to win on the road? Like seriously, how is this acceptable at an NFL level? Do they really think road games will be like stanford vs cal state fullerton or some sh*t? Our offense cant handle crowd noise... almost all our timeouts are taken just to save a penalty... think of how it effects our defense, lets say they have a bad D call they would probably just go with it rather than waste a timeout cause they know the offense needs them... if there are even any left!
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
I'm just saying we don't line up 3 WRs to spread the defense and then run. Ever. Why!!!!

the same reason every defense we face rushes the passer full throttle and blitzes the entire house because they know we won't run a single screen

not a single 1

ever

even when its obvious

even when we see the other team 3 step dropping

even when we see the other team running screens

we don't do anything

when we got the ball back i knew we weren't going to do anything simply because roman was calling the plays

what happens? the saints rush full throttle because they know there is no possibility of a screen pass and what happens? he is sacked before the wr's even finish their routes

and we're losing close games and its because of him directly
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
the same reason every defense we face rushes the passer full throttle and blitzes the entire house because they know we won't run a single screen

not a single 1

ever

even when its obvious

even when we see the other team 3 step dropping

even when we see the other team running screens

we don't do anything

when we got the ball back i knew we weren't going to do anything simply because roman was calling the plays

what happens? the saints rush full throttle because they know there is no possibility of a screen pass and what happens? he is sacked before the wr's even finish their routes

and we're losing close games and its because of him directly



And when they do try a screen or a playaction, it always seems to end up going to Bruce Miller, seriously WTF?
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GORO:
I think Harbaugh wanted Bill Callahan which would have been much better.

Harbaugh wanted Marc Trestman, Marc Trestman wanted a head coaching spot, which he did get. Had Trestman become the OC, this passing game would be leaps and bounds better than what we are seeing currently.


Harbaugh got hired and decided to bring along all his buddies, in the mix he brought in some good coaches and some terrible coaches.

Yup, I don't even think that roman was his second choice. Shaw and trestman were more ideal for the job
[ Edited by monsterzero789 on Nov 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM ]
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Really good?

Have you seen this razorback (RoBlow) eat a box of twinkies... he's good, bro (believe that)
Ted Ginn Jr. would've been better than all those scrub wrs we have behind Boldin right now AND he was a legit PR/KR.

Roman is a joke of an offensive evaluator.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
And when they do try a screen or a playaction, it always seems to end up going to Bruce Miller, seriously WTF?

that alone should get him fired.

designing pass plays to the fb and not other wr's or speed backs

that alone.
Originally posted by AMBITION:
Ted Ginn Jr. would've been better than all those scrub wrs we have behind Boldin right now AND he was a legit PR/KR.

Roman is a joke of an offensive evaluator.

no he wouldn't he was here and couldn't find a way to get him passes remember so we can't say he would be better he had his opportunities and STILL couldn't get him the ball.

except if you're backed up on your own goal line in a tightly contested game where the other team has no shot at scoring a td except via defense and you need someone to call a pitch play with a blitz coming

then suddenly ginn becomes available
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
that alone should get him fired.

designing pass plays to the fb and not other wr's or speed backs

that alone.

If Roman still continues in his role as OC after this season is over, it becomes clear to me that Harbaugh doesn't get it and I really won't have much hope for the future of this team with the same lousy passing offense.
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by jimrat:
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by JoeBart324:
Another issue is the sheer amount of time it takes to get a play off. These time outs the Niners take in the first quarter because the play call has not been there has been a problem for what seems like an eternity. Damn near every other team in the NFL can get a play call in with plenty of time to make adjustments. The Niners cannot. This also destroys the Niners in the two minute drill. I also think this is limiting what Kaep can do with the offense. He's far to concerned with getting all the adjustments just right in a limited amount of time because the play call gets in with just about 9 seconds left to get the play off.

That is on Roman and Harbaugh. And quite frankly I think it is on Roman more than Harbaugh.

Again, Roman will be gone at the end of the season if not before then. This offense has had problems since he's been here and it hasn't gotten better. QBs have changed, but the overall issues with it have remained.

exactly

he doesn't even have a plan.

call the play get it in let him make the adjustments

the same problems we've had the entire time here

if jim has balls he'll fire him before they even get back to new orleans

that's 4 games

This, this is flat out embarassing. Harbaugh needs to start calling the plays or promote somebody.

100% agree... How does an offense like this expect to win on the road? Like seriously, how is this acceptable at an NFL level? Do they really think road games will be like stanford vs cal state fullerton or some sh*t? Our offense cant handle crowd noise... almost all our timeouts are taken just to save a penalty... think of how it effects our defense, lets say they have a bad D call they would probably just go with it rather than waste a timeout cause they know the offense needs them... if there are even any left!

If the offense can't handle crowd noise that is a schematic/play calling issue. Like you mentioned, crowd noise impacting the offense to the degree it affects the Niners is not acceptable at an NFL level. Do you see Kaep in the huddle trying to get the play call in? He's shouting his grandmother out of the grave! Seems to me the play call itself is vastly more complicated than it needs to be. How is it other teams can run the no huddle virtually seamlessly on the road but the Niners can't get a play call in after a time out? In my simple head that reflects on the coordinator being unable to install an offense the team can comprehend.

Chip Kelly has a fairly complicated offense that runs at a ridiculous clip, yet their play calls are in on time and efficient. The team seems to have no issue understanding what they need to do. This is not so with the Niners and it falls squarely on the coordinator/head coach. Whatever system the Niners have developed, it is not working and needs to be changed. This is a logistical issue that should never be a problem in the NFL.
Originally posted by JoeBart324:
If the offense can't handle crowd noise that is a schematic/play calling issue. Like you mentioned, crowd noise impacting the offense to the degree it affects the Niners is not acceptable at an NFL level. Do you see Kaep in the huddle trying to get the play call in? He's shouting his grandmother out of the grave! Seems to me the play call itself is vastly more complicated than it needs to be. How is it other teams can run the no huddle virtually seamlessly on the road but the Niners can't get a play call in after a time out? In my simple head that reflects on the coordinator being unable to install an offense the team can comprehend.

Chip Kelly has a fairly complicated offense that runs at a ridiculous clip, yet their play calls are in on time and efficient. The team seems to have no issue understanding what they need to do. This is not so with the Niners and it falls squarely on the coordinator/head coach. Whatever system the Niners have developed, it is not working and needs to be changed. This is a logistical issue that should never be a problem in the NFL.


The non-stop difficulty of getting the plays in on time, for almost 3 seasons now is beyond f**king insane, what other teams can you think of that have this issue for seasons on end? Its one thing to have a complicated but productive offense, another thing to have a complicated offenses that looks like s**t.
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