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Greg Roman, is he really good?

Originally posted by gunslinger8:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the guy trying to play quarterback go to the line of scrimmage with more than 1 play and then decide which of those plays will be best based on the look the D gives? THAT is where the blame lies.

LOL.....so Kaepernick could have called a run against a loaded box, or a 7 step drop and throw against a highly active pass rush....hmm....so many choices.
Roman can kick rocks

Chryst can kick rocks

Morton can kick rocks
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Hey, Kap played like dogmeat today, the exact same way he played the last 4 downs of the SB ,, the same way he played against INDY and SEA. Face it, kap is all world, great body, great athlete, that folds under pressure against elite teams with the BIG PASS RUSH. He is terrible. TERRIBLE. But to compliment the fact that kap has virtually no accuracy against big rush teams, roman kept calling 5-7 step drops, the OL couldn't handle the passrush and kap folded under pressure. He sure looks good against the Tampa Bays, but he looks AWFUL against the elites. Matter of fact he looked horrible against the last 3 elites we played. Horrible.

Now as for master roman, he is master of scheming overwhelming victorious game plans against weak sister teams, scoring 35 pts/game. But against tough teams, roman still hasn't realized we didn't play Tampa today, so he called for the big pass plays, instead of the 1-3 steppers...which were open all game long. Roman may be a genius, especially against poor teams. But he isn't worth diddly when the opposition is tough, the pass rush is big. He is a very good college coach, and he will OC over 10 maybe 11 or 12 wins this yr. But he can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag against tough teams. As GM said, it looked as if he wasn't even looking at the failed plays he just called and then called more 5-7 step drops in spite of the OL being unable to give kap any time. Roman needs to go the sideline and actually watch his plays as they fail. His 3rd down calls were brilliant, just brilliant. We need 4 yds and he calls for a pass that takes 7 steps, and then Kap folds up like a wet diaper and immediately disappears under the rush. That wasn't bad OC calls, those were inexcusable. I humbly submit...again...for roman to return to college where he belongs and gives us a chance to win the tough games. It is obvious, the NFL is just one step too big for master roman.

Coach H, do your job, call your own plays, and let's see what this team can do. With roman "helping" you, you are nothing more than a 10-12 Ws coach and then out in the first or second playoff game. Why? Because your OC is just killing this team in big games against elite teams. Send roman on home and call the game yourself. The playcalls your team and OC have made against elite teams is unacceptable...frankly, embarrassing. You changed QBs in mid stream last yr. Fire your OC and coach your own darn team on Offense. Roman is your Trojan horse. Looks good against poor teams, and has no idea how to game plan and play call against elite teams.

I think roman's mentality is all college. Win over 80% of your games and you keep your job. Hint to roman: that is for college, bubba, not the NFL.

Pasodoc,

At one point, I thought he was doing it on purpose as a joke or something ..... I really am asking if he's actually watching the same game.
Roman can EAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by gunslinger8:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the guy trying to play quarterback go to the line of scrimmage with more than 1 play and then decide which of those plays will be best based on the look the D gives? THAT is where the blame lies.

Not if the plays you're allowed to audible are also terrible options. The real question is why aren't there more designed short passes? I think a bigger question is with all the talent we have at RB you rarely if ever (other than Bruce Miller) see them used as receivers out of the backfield. Who would you think would be better in space - Bruce Miller or LMJ? I'm not saying Kap has no blame here, but it's really tough for me to hold a 2nd year starter accountable for such a monumental loss when the opening play calls/sets were 7-step drops and empty backfields against a D that had been crushing pass protection all game. That yells coaching/game-plan to me. It's like what were the offensive coaches looking at on film for 2 weeks.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by gunslinger8:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the guy trying to play quarterback go to the line of scrimmage with more than 1 play and then decide which of those plays will be best based on the look the D gives? THAT is where the blame lies.

LOL.....so Kaepernick could have called a run against a loaded box, or a 7 step drop and throw against a highly active pass rush....hmm....so many choices.

Were those really his options? Damn you have GREAT inside information. Who exactly let you in on this?
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Not if the plays you're allowed to audible are also terrible options. The real question is why aren't there more designed short passes? I think a bigger question is with all the talent we have at RB you rarely if ever (other than Bruce Miller) see them used as receivers out of the backfield. Who would you think would be better in space - Bruce Miller or LMJ? I'm not saying Kap has no blame here, but it's really tough for me to hold a 2nd year starter accountable for such a monumental loss when the opening play calls/sets were 7-step drops and empty backfields against a D that had been crushing pass protection all game. That yells coaching/game-plan to me. It's like what were the offensive coaches looking at on film for 2 weeks.

I am seeing other 2nd year QB's continue to grow and develop. I am seeing our QB decline now that the league has caught on to our gimmicky offense. Can you tell me 1 area Colin has improved on since last year? And endorsements don't count.
reallly questioning our coaches adjustments against a good defense
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
In all those games the 49ers were buffered by huge takeaways on defense, in Arizona the defense scored 2 points with a safety and led to another 13 points after turnovers. Point me out a game against a high quality defense where the offense, the OFFENSE, took it to a team, beat them up and lit them up, wins against struggling teams like Houston and Tennessee who got beat by the Jaguars are meaningless to me.


When has this offense come out looking sharp against a winning team with a high quality defense?

we actually came out first possession and got down the field for a field goal didn't we? that's coming out sharp.

the play calling in the red zone has been a problem ive said since page 1

and it continues to be 3 possessions you need to punch it in on one especially the one where we kicked the field goal instead of going for it on 4th
and honestly i think that set the tone of what jim felt about our offensive line today. any other game he doesn't hesitate to get 1 yard to keep the drive going. we do it all the time. but today? too frightened to do it. too frightened to line up get the 1 yard against the defense and then score the touch down with gore. that was inexcusable to me.
We have the lamest formations in all of football.. We rarely ever run 3 Wr's unless we're flexing a fullback out there.. We suck.
Originally posted by gunslinger8:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Not if the plays you're allowed to audible are also terrible options. The real question is why aren't there more designed short passes? I think a bigger question is with all the talent we have at RB you rarely if ever (other than Bruce Miller) see them used as receivers out of the backfield. Who would you think would be better in space - Bruce Miller or LMJ? I'm not saying Kap has no blame here, but it's really tough for me to hold a 2nd year starter accountable for such a monumental loss when the opening play calls/sets were 7-step drops and empty backfields against a D that had been crushing pass protection all game. That yells coaching/game-plan to me. It's like what were the offensive coaches looking at on film for 2 weeks.

I am seeing other 2nd year QB's continue to grow and develop. I am seeing our QB decline now that the league has caught on to our gimmicky offense. Can you tell me 1 area Colin has improved on since last year? And endorsements don't count.

Exactly and it begs the question, can a NFL QB develop in a gimmicky offense. Here's what I am seeing. When Colin is asked to throw a slant to Manningham and to Boldin (which he did against GB) the pass is accurate, complete and hits the WR in stride. What's infuriating is that after both of those plays worked during this game, we never went back to it. My problem with this coaching staff is if those plays worked, then open up the tab in the offensive playbook that says "Short Passing Game Plays". This simply was non-existent. You can't expect Kap to develop when you never call those plays. I think sometimes with QBs who have strong arms you're too tempted to always hit the big stuff just but it has such a low percentage of success. This offense needs a dose of the the WCO approach - it really does.
[ Edited by NinerGM on Nov 10, 2013 at 5:13 PM ]
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Originally posted by gunslinger8:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Not if the plays you're allowed to audible are also terrible options. The real question is why aren't there more designed short passes? I think a bigger question is with all the talent we have at RB you rarely if ever (other than Bruce Miller) see them used as receivers out of the backfield. Who would you think would be better in space - Bruce Miller or LMJ? I'm not saying Kap has no blame here, but it's really tough for me to hold a 2nd year starter accountable for such a monumental loss when the opening play calls/sets were 7-step drops and empty backfields against a D that had been crushing pass protection all game. That yells coaching/game-plan to me. It's like what were the offensive coaches looking at on film for 2 weeks.

I am seeing other 2nd year QB's continue to grow and develop. I am seeing our QB decline now that the league has caught on to our gimmicky offense. Can you tell me 1 area Colin has improved on since last year? And endorsements don't count.

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Originally posted by gunslinger8:
I am seeing other 2nd year QB's continue to grow and develop. I am seeing our QB decline now that the league has caught on to our gimmicky offense. Can you tell me 1 area Colin has improved on since last year? And endorsements don't count.

i would love for him to have a coordinator who can be consistent before you put it on the shoulders of colin like you watched this game and saw cam light it up right?

if you can't get protection then do quick passes make an adjustment why run read option against a team that practices against it every week? this was on the coordinator. he hasn't regressed the coordinator has regressed TOTALLY

calling routes where 1 wr is the target who the hell does that in the nfl? its not genius is MENTALLY RETARDED
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I wish we had traded for Gordon. It would've been awesome seeing him on the field, of course Roman would never use him but it still would be cool to see him running around the field.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Exactly and it begs the question, can a NFL QB develop in a gimmicky offense. Here's what I am seeing. When Colin is asked to throw a slant to Manningham and to Boldin (which he did against GB) the pass is accurate, complete and hits the WR in stride. What's infuriating is that after both of those plays worked during this game, we never went back to it. My problem with this coaching staff is if those plays worked, then open up the tab in the offensive playbook that says "Short Passing Game Plays". This simply was non-existent. You can't expect Kap to develop when you never call those plays. I think sometimes with QBs who have strong arms you're too tempted to always hit the big stuff just but it has such a low percentage of success. This offense needs a dose of the the WCO approach - it really does.

its basically what it is.

they call nothing but chunk plays

that's his option on the play. everyone else is a decoy more times than not.

its sickening that this guy is going to continue to cost us games

defense shouldn't even have to practice this week after what they did today

you give up 10 points and scored on 2 possessions the entire game and lose?