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Greg Roman, is he really good?

Originally posted by pete98146:
I'm at a loss for words. It's obvious that losing Vernon hurt but it's no excuse. Roman dialed up a putrid game plan. You attack them like the Panthers attacked us using intermediate quick hitting pass patterns. Aside from that nice pass to Manningham late in the game we didn't even try to hit any of these. I don't know, maybe Carolina's defense is that good but I doubt it. Why is it in these tight ball games we play not to lose? Todays game was a perfect example.

I do notice a disturbing trend. Teams that out physical us usually win. Seattle, Carolina, Ravens punch us right in the mouth and it seems like we get intimidated. Our offensive line was horrible on pass blocking. Yuck. Kaepernick looked like a deer in the headlights pretty much all game long. Ugly, ugly, ugly.

I feel poorly for the defense because they did their job and put us in a position to win. Our offense was pitiful.

It's because the assumption is made that teams will bite on a zone-read play-action deep pass. Unfortunately you have to keep your RB in to block for that play to develop and when it's not there, the QB has to either scramble or wait for the unintended receiver to come open. What's infuriating about this game is that the run was there in the 2nd half. Flash back to the first offensive series of the 3rd quarter; we call a slant to Boldin but right after that we call another deep-play-action pass out of a zone read that doesn't work and on 3rd down followed by a screen.

Someone doesn't understand football basics with the coaching staff. On 2nd and 1 after the slant, in a close game where you're leading, just get another set of downs. Big play, play-action, deep passes should not be the staple of your passing offense. This is why the passing numbers are so low. There is no short passing game that's routinely part of this offense. And I know what people are saying that Kap sucks, but it's clear with numbers this low, someone is coaching him to do this - the plays are designed to do this and it's a big problem.
[ Edited by NinerGM on Nov 10, 2013 at 4:42 PM ]
Originally posted by NinerGM:
IMHO, Kap is a 2nd year QB who is being coached a particular way - and it's clear the plays that he has to audible too are already scouted and countered - especially by teams that run zone-read runs. It's as if Roman isn't even watching the game while calling successive plays. Still calling 7-step drops and empty sets against a D that's been beating your tackles all game? The two slants that were called were effective. This is why the receivers have no passes. Someone is coaching Kap to always look downfield for the big play. He's not being coached to move through his reads and throw underneath. Furthermore, the 49ers believe so much in this that they often keep Gore in to block instead of using him as another receiver to attack the D.

So what we have is a passing offense that doesn't routinely have slants, outs and screens. This is an offense that has available to it Gore, Hunter and LMJ and never do we see both on the field routinely using the skills of them all. Are we developing LMJ more into a receiver? Clearly the dude can catch and we know how dangerous he is in space. Use him as more of a receiver. It's as if we are convinced the 6 - 10 plays and their variations will work against any team at any time. It's offensive arrogance. We saw this against the Colts and against the Seahawks - the belief that no other team can counter our plays, despite having success with other formation we continue to run the same ineffective scheme.

+1

Especially like the not using James to catch passes. He did line up as a WR near the end of the game. But I guess Kaep isn't comfortable with him. What a joke when Harbaugh says he wants to get James into the game, and then limits him to catching punts and kickoffs. Without our receivers, he should be featured in a Darryl Sproles role.
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I blame them both, but a QB will have good and bad games, Roman constantly is outcoached/out-strategized by good defensive teams. When's the last time he came up with a good gameplan against a high quality defense? Everytime this team struggles early, sometimes they get it going like against Atlanta and Baltimore in the playoffs, sometimes they completely s**t the bed like against Seattle, Indy and now Carolina.

Scored 32 point on AZ a top 10 defense. Scored 34 points on a good Texans D. Tennessee has the #7 defense we scored 31
Originally posted by ejroland:
The coaching staff better start limiting his ability to audible or we will continue to slide especially with going into New Orleans!

do we know what he checked out of?

the formations alone were enough to put it on roman. you can't check into power out of the cute formations.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I blame them both, but a QB will have good and bad games, Roman constantly is outcoached/out-strategized by good defensive teams. When's the last time he came up with a good gameplan against a high quality defense? Everytime this team struggles early, sometimes they get it going like against Atlanta and Baltimore in the playoffs, sometimes they completely s**t the bed like against Seattle, Indy and now Carolina.

Scored 32 point on AZ a top 10 defense. Scored 34 points on a good Texans D. Tennessee has the #7 defense we scored 31

Hidden in those numbers are points off of turnovers - and how many really short fields the offense was given by superior defensive play.
It's as if he's a youth league football coach using a select number of athletes and select number of plays!
G-RO gets a big fat ZERO today!
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Originally posted by pete98146:
I'm at a loss for words. It's obvious that losing Vernon hurt but it's no excuse. Roman dialed up a putrid game plan. You attack them like the Panthers attacked us using intermediate quick hitting pass patterns. Aside from that nice pass to Manningham late in the game we didn't even try to hit any of these. I don't know, maybe Carolina's defense is that good but I doubt it. Why is it in these tight ball games we play not to lose? Todays game was a perfect example.

I do notice a disturbing trend. Teams that out physical us usually win. Seattle, Carolina, Ravens punch us right in the mouth and it seems like we get intimidated. Our offensive line was horrible on pass blocking. Yuck. Kaepernick looked like a deer in the headlights pretty much all game long. Ugly, ugly, ugly.

I feel poorly for the defense because they did their job and put us in a position to win. Our offense was pitiful.

My wife who doesn't know a thing about football said that Kaepernick has that look on his face again.........deer in headlights look lol
i want david shaw
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
that's why i cannot put full blame on kap he was running for his life almost every drop back.

give him quick passes let him hit boldin and manningham and macdonald forget the chunk plays go for shot sustaining drive type plays gore is running well keep the power run game up don't start with the pistol stuff


if i am jim harbaugh i go into the locker room and say greg if you run the pistol and get cute instead of dial up power and play action quick passes and screens i will fire you and take over play calling duties period.


Realistically he should, there's no excuse for coming out this flat after having two weeks to prepare for this team. I don't trust Harbaugh to ever do that, when it comes to players, they'll axe them in a minute, but with coaches, Harbaugh seems to have a lot of personal relationships with these guys and I don't know if he's objective enough to drop the hammer when needed.
greg roman sucks
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Another bad thing about this loss is it cements Rivera's future there at least through 2014, and Carolina was long considered the team most likely to hire Roman as HC.
Get the NCAA on the phone, they can have Roman.
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by ejroland:
The coaching staff better start limiting his ability to audible or we will continue to slide especially with going into New Orleans!

do we know what he checked out of?

the formations alone were enough to put it on roman. you can't check into power out of the cute formations.


The majority of Kaep's kill kill kill plays are checked to runs or passes to Vernon Davis (over the course of the season)! Where's the screen game against pressure defenses?
Originally posted by pdizo916:
i want david shaw


THIS!!!!