Also, is jonnydel MIA? Haven't seen him in a while...hope his father's okay
[ Edited by GameOver on Jan 21, 2014 at 10:09 PM ]
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Originally posted by GameOver:
thl408, please do give us some of your analysis of the game once the coach's film comes out (in a new thread, of course). Would greatly appreciate it.
Also, is jonnydel MIA? Haven't seen him in a while...hope his father's okay
Originally posted by theduke85:
Originally posted by NCommand:Wow, tremendous write-up -- thank you very much. Great info.
Originally posted by theduke85:
What does "AR" mean, NCommand?
Term coined a while back where plays are called in by Roman and company (5 others) and signed off by Harbaugh into CK. AR stands for Annointed Receiver. This AR is pre-determined "pre snap." There are two types...AR1 is where the non-AR's run "decoy" routes clearing space for the AR. AR2's are when the non-AR's physically "rub" or literally, "block" out defenders creating a sure path for the AR. It's essentially, a college-like offense leaving added focus on "execution" by all to help make the play work. It requires NO breaks in the chain or the entire play blows up. It's nice when the design works and it limits the focus for a young QB on one read only. But the downside is what we just saw (aside from lack of QB development in progression reads). If the defense is smart they can figure out the AR by the routes of the non-AR's (Green Bay INT) or hone in on the primary AR's (like Boldin/VD most of the year or in this case, Crabtree in the RZ where Seattle had underneath and blanket coverage). DB's can watch the body language of CK, his eyes and if they are an aggressive, physical defense like the Ravens and Seattle, they can blow the entire play up from the line of scrimmage and force CK to ad lib more (run or throw on the run). Once Crabtree came back, it was much harder for defenses to determine who the AR would be though (Crabtree, Boldin or VD). This style of offense works much better with an athletic QB b/c if that AR is covered at 3 seconds, he can scramble and make something happen with his legs like we saw against Seattle/Carolina. With Crabtree back, we've become a much better ad lib team as well. In fact, ad libs plays may have been our most successful plays since Crabtree came back esp. re: TD's.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by theduke85:
Originally posted by NCommand:Wow, tremendous write-up -- thank you very much. Great info.
Originally posted by theduke85:
What does "AR" mean, NCommand?
Term coined a while back where plays are called in by Roman and company (5 others) and signed off by Harbaugh into CK. AR stands for Annointed Receiver. This AR is pre-determined "pre snap." There are two types...AR1 is where the non-AR's run "decoy" routes clearing space for the AR. AR2's are when the non-AR's physically "rub" or literally, "block" out defenders creating a sure path for the AR. It's essentially, a college-like offense leaving added focus on "execution" by all to help make the play work. It requires NO breaks in the chain or the entire play blows up. It's nice when the design works and it limits the focus for a young QB on one read only. But the downside is what we just saw (aside from lack of QB development in progression reads). If the defense is smart they can figure out the AR by the routes of the non-AR's (Green Bay INT) or hone in on the primary AR's (like Boldin/VD most of the year or in this case, Crabtree in the RZ where Seattle had underneath and blanket coverage). DB's can watch the body language of CK, his eyes and if they are an aggressive, physical defense like the Ravens and Seattle, they can blow the entire play up from the line of scrimmage and force CK to ad lib more (run or throw on the run). Once Crabtree came back, it was much harder for defenses to determine who the AR would be though (Crabtree, Boldin or VD). This style of offense works much better with an athletic QB b/c if that AR is covered at 3 seconds, he can scramble and make something happen with his legs like we saw against Seattle/Carolina. With Crabtree back, we've become a much better ad lib team as well. In fact, ad libs plays may have been our most successful plays since Crabtree came back esp. re: TD's.
You're very welcome!
Originally posted by Geeked:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by theduke85:
Originally posted by NCommand:Wow, tremendous write-up -- thank you very much. Great info.
Originally posted by theduke85:
What does "AR" mean, NCommand?
Term coined a while back where plays are called in by Roman and company (5 others) and signed off by Harbaugh into CK. AR stands for Annointed Receiver. This AR is pre-determined "pre snap." There are two types...AR1 is where the non-AR's run "decoy" routes clearing space for the AR. AR2's are when the non-AR's physically "rub" or literally, "block" out defenders creating a sure path for the AR. It's essentially, a college-like offense leaving added focus on "execution" by all to help make the play work. It requires NO breaks in the chain or the entire play blows up. It's nice when the design works and it limits the focus for a young QB on one read only. But the downside is what we just saw (aside from lack of QB development in progression reads). If the defense is smart they can figure out the AR by the routes of the non-AR's (Green Bay INT) or hone in on the primary AR's (like Boldin/VD most of the year or in this case, Crabtree in the RZ where Seattle had underneath and blanket coverage). DB's can watch the body language of CK, his eyes and if they are an aggressive, physical defense like the Ravens and Seattle, they can blow the entire play up from the line of scrimmage and force CK to ad lib more (run or throw on the run). Once Crabtree came back, it was much harder for defenses to determine who the AR would be though (Crabtree, Boldin or VD). This style of offense works much better with an athletic QB b/c if that AR is covered at 3 seconds, he can scramble and make something happen with his legs like we saw against Seattle/Carolina. With Crabtree back, we've become a much better ad lib team as well. In fact, ad libs plays may have been our most successful plays since Crabtree came back esp. re: TD's.
You're very welcome!
Thank you for this, great fill in.
As I was reading I couldn't help but reflect on Keap at Nevada (I went to Fresno State and USC). From what I recall, Keap never ran a true AR type scheme. He did play out of the pistol and did the whole read option. But there were plenty of times he dropped back and progressed through options.
It seems a tad misguided to design a "dumb" down read offense for a guy over an offense he's run in college. If your going to change things up for a new QB, than change it up to suite what the QB is comfortable.
At the end, I think Roman is running the offense he's most familiar; depending on flawless execution rather than creativity or strategic playcalling.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Geeked:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by theduke85:
Originally posted by NCommand:Wow, tremendous write-up -- thank you very much. Great info.
Originally posted by theduke85:
What does "AR" mean, NCommand?
Term coined a while back where plays are called in by Roman and company (5 others) and signed off by Harbaugh into CK. AR stands for Annointed Receiver. This AR is pre-determined "pre snap." There are two types...AR1 is where the non-AR's run "decoy" routes clearing space for the AR. AR2's are when the non-AR's physically "rub" or literally, "block" out defenders creating a sure path for the AR. It's essentially, a college-like offense leaving added focus on "execution" by all to help make the play work. It requires NO breaks in the chain or the entire play blows up. It's nice when the design works and it limits the focus for a young QB on one read only. But the downside is what we just saw (aside from lack of QB development in progression reads). If the defense is smart they can figure out the AR by the routes of the non-AR's (Green Bay INT) or hone in on the primary AR's (like Boldin/VD most of the year or in this case, Crabtree in the RZ where Seattle had underneath and blanket coverage). DB's can watch the body language of CK, his eyes and if they are an aggressive, physical defense like the Ravens and Seattle, they can blow the entire play up from the line of scrimmage and force CK to ad lib more (run or throw on the run). Once Crabtree came back, it was much harder for defenses to determine who the AR would be though (Crabtree, Boldin or VD). This style of offense works much better with an athletic QB b/c if that AR is covered at 3 seconds, he can scramble and make something happen with his legs like we saw against Seattle/Carolina. With Crabtree back, we've become a much better ad lib team as well. In fact, ad libs plays may have been our most successful plays since Crabtree came back esp. re: TD's.
You're very welcome!
Thank you for this, great fill in.
As I was reading I couldn't help but reflect on Keap at Nevada (I went to Fresno State and USC). From what I recall, Keap never ran a true AR type scheme. He did play out of the pistol and did the whole read option. But there were plenty of times he dropped back and progressed through options.
It seems a tad misguided to design a "dumb" down read offense for a guy over an offense he's run in college. If your going to change things up for a new QB, than change it up to suite what the QB is comfortable.
At the end, I think Roman is running the offense he's most familiar; depending on flawless execution rather than creativity or strategic playcalling.
Agreed esp. with the bolded.
Yeah, going from college to a WCO full time might be a nightmare for him d/t mechanics, under center, timing routes, ALL of the built in progressions in sync with his drop backs, checks, etc. It seemed to me that CK felt most comfortable when in shot gun and we ran a more pro-style spread look with 3, 4 and even 5 WR's all running routes and it was on CK to scan the field and just pick the best option (ala Brady) rather than high-low concepts. Scheming an AR open is a "control" and "safe" thing for HaRoMan. All teams do it (even Alex incorporated the AR2 over in KC with a wrinkle added to it) but not as a foundation or base save for in college. We have noted more PS plays called since Crabtree came back and thl408 noted the distribution of receivers used when Alex was here so...?
What do other's think as to what would fit CK and all these weapons?
Originally posted by Geeked:
The first thing that came to my mind was "just run what Seattle gives Wilson".
Play - Hold onto the ball as long as possible - Receivers will run around like the three stooges for about 2 1/2 seconds, then throw it to the designed spot at the three second mark.
I'm sure Keap, Crabs and Boldin Could handle that offense.
Originally posted by Jakemall:
He had two open guys...not a bad play call.
Originally posted by thl408:
Kap liked his pre-snap read and went with it, which is why he was very decisive with the throw. Had Earl Thomas moved over to a cover2 look (give Sherman help over the top), instead of staying in the middle of the field, Kap doesn't test both Thomas and Sherman with this throw. Crabs' was the primary read, but he was not the only available option on this play. I can see why you believe it is an AR play based off of what Harbaugh said in his presser, but do you believe for one minute that Jim would say that there were other options for Kap? Now the questions are directed back on Kap as he faces the heat. Jim is being a good coach and saying Kap did what he was supposed to do.
A QB can't throw a fade versus a CB that has both a position (leverage) and a height advantage.
Originally posted by Geeked:
The first thing that came to my mind was "just run what Seattle gives Wilson".
Play - Hold onto the ball as long as possible - Receivers will run around like the three stooges for about 2 1/2 seconds, then throw it to the designed spot at the three second mark.
I'm sure Keap, Crabs and Boldin Could handle that offense.
Originally posted by jonesadrian:that is what they run. that's why i laugh when people say all of these other qb's are as good as kap they are not. not even close.
the offense we ran was not limited in any way. we ran a complex offense in every aspect all season.
that's why i laugh when people keep saying roman is being held back by kap.
no he is not.
roman is being held back by himself. planning and play calling
Originally posted by Puckdaddy:
Damn Boldin was wide open!!!
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I am hoping that to e and experience gives both Kap and Roman a better feel for offense and red zone situations
Originally posted by Puckdaddy:
Damn Boldin was wide open!!!