In my estimation, there is next to no chance that Roman gets a head coaching job this year.
Not sure what the future holds for the coaching staff.
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Greg Roman, is he really good?
Jan 21, 2014 at 1:40 PM
- buck
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Jan 21, 2014 at 1:44 PM
- Big_Daddy
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I can't wait for Baalke to fire this a*****e, then tell Jim to shut the f**k up and let a real OC game plan the offense
[ Edited by Big_Daddy on Jan 21, 2014 at 1:44 PM ]
Jan 21, 2014 at 1:47 PM
- dj43
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Originally posted by buck:
In my estimation, there is next to no chance that Roman gets a head coaching job this year.
Not sure what the future holds for the coaching staff.
The only spot left is Cleveland and it looks like they may be waiting for Seattle DC Dan Quinn. I have not heard of any interest remaining in Roman. It looks like the league has seen this 30th ranked passing game and said, "no thanks."
Jan 21, 2014 at 1:50 PM
- BigDickKaepernick
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Greg Roman has to go. He's just not able to make the most of this offense and continuously calls plays that too cute or complicated and gets away from the run even when it's working. I would love for us to get an OC that will run a more West coast style offense utilizing our weapons better.
Jan 21, 2014 at 2:14 PM
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Originally posted by dj43:
He is doing what Harbaugh instructs him to do. If Roman leaves we will get someone that will run the offense very much like Roman. Roman is being made the scape goat for a very stubborn Jim Harbaugh. As long as Harbaugh is here the offense will look very much the same. I do not see a "coming to Jesus" moment for Harbaugh. He is still going to run that same offense he ran in college at Stanford.
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Jan 21, 2014 at 2:17 PM
- NinerLegend
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Originally posted by BigDickKaepernick:
Greg Roman has to go. He's just not able to make the most of this offense and continuously calls plays that too cute or complicated and gets away from the run even when it's working. I would love for us to get an OC that will run a more West coast style offense utilizing our weapons better.
Agreed
Jan 21, 2014 at 2:29 PM
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Seems to me we were less creative it our running game as the season went on. Hunter and LMJ being underutilized all season concerns me.
Jan 21, 2014 at 3:14 PM
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We would be waiting a long, long time if we are hoping for the west coast offense around here. JIm Harbaugh is a product of Mike Ditka's Chicago offensive approach. What he runs here is pretty much a 21st century version of the 1980s Bears offense.
Jan 21, 2014 at 3:59 PM
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Originally posted by spizzy:
Originally posted by dj43:
He is doing what Harbaugh instructs him to do. If Roman leaves we will get someone that will run the offense very much like Roman. Roman is being made the scape goat for a very stubborn Jim Harbaugh. As long as Harbaugh is here the offense will look very much the same. I do not see a "coming to Jesus" moment for Harbaugh. He is still going to run that same offense he ran in college at Stanford.
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Agreed as well. And here is more proof of the AR offense...an offense that ultimately cost us again.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/harbaugh-kaepernick-made-correct-read-final-play
Matt Maiocco (MM) interviewing Jim Harbaugh (JH):
MM: "Colin said after the game that his mind was made up "pre snap" where to go with the ball. Is that the right call in that situation...that play, to go ahead and make that decision where you're going to throw the ball before the ball is even snapped?"
JH: "Pre snap decisions are made based on the route call (Roman/play calling), the matchups, coverage...I guess that does happen on certain pass plays."
MM: "Is that one of those (AR) plays?"
JH: "Yes."
MM: "So when you look at the film and review that, was that the correct call...thing to do?"
JH: "Yes."
Again, CK is merely executing the play based on the play called in by Roman et. al "pre snap" and signed off by Harbaugh.
Jan 21, 2014 at 4:20 PM
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Originally posted by pd24:
Roman isn't as bad as people think. He has some great game plans that would look even better if or when Kap stops being a 1 read QB. Roman didn't make Kap throw thos int's and Roman can't get the 3rd down % up if his QB is gun shy when his #1 option is not there. That last play was a perfect example, the read wasn't open, go somewhere else, or throw it away and live for another down.
Wrong...ppl "assume" too often we even HAVE progression reads built into the play call. More often than ppl want to believe, this is an AR offense...if covered, CK is off and running ad libbing with the WR's or running on his own. Most of our best plays ironically have been on ad libs (esp. RZ TD's).
Jan 21, 2014 at 4:21 PM
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What does "AR" mean, NCommand?
Jan 21, 2014 at 4:22 PM
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Originally posted by buck:
In my estimation, there is next to no chance that Roman gets a head coaching job this year.
Not sure what the future holds for the coaching staff.
Sadly, I agree. We're stuck with this offense and offensive philosophy next year UNLESS Baalke steps in.
Jan 21, 2014 at 4:29 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by buck:In my estimation, there is next to no chance that Roman gets a head coaching job this year.
Not sure what the future holds for the coaching staff.
Sadly, I agree. We're stuck with this offense and offensive philosophy next year UNLESS Baalke steps in.
I hope Baalke steps in. We seriously need help on offense. Harbaugh is a good coach, but he's too damn stubborn to change. No team in the league does less with talent than the 49ers do. There is absolutely no reason to have less than 20 yards passing in an entire half of a football game. Enough with the Bo Schembechler stuff, we need innovation in the passing game.
Jan 21, 2014 at 4:31 PM
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Originally posted by theduke85:
What does "AR" mean, NCommand?
Term coined a while back where plays are called in by Roman and company (5 others) and signed off by Harbaugh into CK. AR stands for Annointed Receiver. This AR is pre-determined "pre snap." There are two types...AR1 is where the non-AR's run "decoy" routes clearing space for the AR. AR2's are when the non-AR's physically "rub" or literally, "block" out defenders creating a sure path for the AR. It's essentially, a college-like offense leaving added focus on "execution" by all to help make the play work. It requires NO breaks in the chain or the entire play blows up. It's nice when the design works and it limits the focus for a young QB on one read only. But the downside is what we just saw (aside from lack of QB development in progression reads). If the defense is smart they can figure out the AR by the routes of the non-AR's (Green Bay INT) or hone in on the primary AR's (like Boldin/VD most of the year or in this case, Crabtree in the RZ where Seattle had underneath and deep coverage). DB's can watch the body language of CK, his eyes and if they are an aggressive, physical defense like the Ravens and Seattle, they can blow the entire play up from the line of scrimmage and forcing CK to ad lib more (run and throw on the run). Once Crabtree came back, it was much harder to determine who the AR would be though (Crabtree, Boldin or VD). This style of offense works much better with an athletic QB b/c if that read is covered, he can make something happen with his legs like we saw against Seattle/Carolina.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jan 21, 2014 at 4:35 PM ]
Jan 21, 2014 at 4:32 PM
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hmmm...I thot I was rewatching the last play of last yr's SB, an errant pass over our receiver, but no, this time there are 3 (THREE) defenders around and in front of Crab again on a pass that Never should have been thrown... But once again, Kap did. just like last yr, when we desperately needed a timeout to talk it over, kap throws the same damn pass as last SB, but a tad shorter this time, right to TWO SEA CBs. Fantastic. way to go roman. Or more properly, way to go HaRo. So the question is do I want HaRo gone? I would like roman gone, not JIM. But he has to see he has now pissed away 3 GOLDEN chances at the sB ring. Maybe he never gets another shot. Shouldn't it be time to part with old retreads that have helped get him to SB, and then taken a monstrous dump? I would very much like to keep JH. But not roman. the guy has killed us two SBs/NFCC games in a row. For me, you don't get any more chances after screwing your team like that. Yup kap played piss poor when the cards were down. For the 2nd time in a row.
I give most of that to coaching calls, REALLY BAD ONES, but some on kap too. He has to learn to go to other guys who are flat ass open...and he didn't . Crabs was tripled. 3 guys. That meant someone else, actually 2 others were singled our not covered. If kap wants to stay he has to learn to read D. Right now he gets about a D/D-, maybe F. Not being able to find guys open after 2 and a half yrs is not good enough. He has to do better....or leave, which I would hate...but he has to LEARN who is open and find them. RIght now he can't. Calllng AR sucks.Playing AR sucks. Let kap work progressions until he proves he can't do it. I bet they let him do progressions he does just fine. But he HAS TO STOP THROWING to Crabs when doubled or worse tripled. If Kap can't learn to throw to the open guys, then kap we need a new QB, despite all the fine attributes kap has. But coaching is still at the root of this, and AR , agains SUCKS. stop it already. Make kap learn progressions. Having but one receiver on a route when we have 3 all pros is StOOOPId> really STOOPID. So stop it. Learn progressions, throw to open guy not your favorite guy. IF kap can't do that, then , sadly schidt can him. My bet is he can, but the coaches didn't trust him to do it. Once again, coaching killed us.
Just how many chances does jim think he will get in the bigs? Man 3 yrs, 3 chances and he blew them all. I want him to stay, but he has to clean house. His O coordinators have let him down. If he is in charge, he either changes or he too will have to leave. And that would just kill me. So c'mon coach, get your head out, fire roman et al, start over, and let's win one....like we should have the last 3 yrs. You got so much talent on this team it is criminal not to win. So win or go home. And none of us want that. Ergo, roman, chryst go. You stay, they go. YOu are getting schidt for advice when the noose gets tight. Go another way, man, go another way. Your current approach has cost us 3 SBs, and that is hard to believe.
You are the QB guru. So do some guruing. Your QB sucks in tight situations, and a good part of that is crappy O calls. Change that or soon, you too will be on the chopping block...as good as you are and as much as we all like you. Just friendly advice to a great guy...who has surrounded himself wth "yes" men....never a good sign. You gotta change something bubba, you gotta change something ..and that something is roman.
Which reminds, me ...is HE still here. Please God , tell me no. Tell Cleveland we will give them a #1 and #2 if they will take roman. please, just get him the hell out of here.
I give most of that to coaching calls, REALLY BAD ONES, but some on kap too. He has to learn to go to other guys who are flat ass open...and he didn't . Crabs was tripled. 3 guys. That meant someone else, actually 2 others were singled our not covered. If kap wants to stay he has to learn to read D. Right now he gets about a D/D-, maybe F. Not being able to find guys open after 2 and a half yrs is not good enough. He has to do better....or leave, which I would hate...but he has to LEARN who is open and find them. RIght now he can't. Calllng AR sucks.Playing AR sucks. Let kap work progressions until he proves he can't do it. I bet they let him do progressions he does just fine. But he HAS TO STOP THROWING to Crabs when doubled or worse tripled. If Kap can't learn to throw to the open guys, then kap we need a new QB, despite all the fine attributes kap has. But coaching is still at the root of this, and AR , agains SUCKS. stop it already. Make kap learn progressions. Having but one receiver on a route when we have 3 all pros is StOOOPId> really STOOPID. So stop it. Learn progressions, throw to open guy not your favorite guy. IF kap can't do that, then , sadly schidt can him. My bet is he can, but the coaches didn't trust him to do it. Once again, coaching killed us.
Just how many chances does jim think he will get in the bigs? Man 3 yrs, 3 chances and he blew them all. I want him to stay, but he has to clean house. His O coordinators have let him down. If he is in charge, he either changes or he too will have to leave. And that would just kill me. So c'mon coach, get your head out, fire roman et al, start over, and let's win one....like we should have the last 3 yrs. You got so much talent on this team it is criminal not to win. So win or go home. And none of us want that. Ergo, roman, chryst go. You stay, they go. YOu are getting schidt for advice when the noose gets tight. Go another way, man, go another way. Your current approach has cost us 3 SBs, and that is hard to believe.
You are the QB guru. So do some guruing. Your QB sucks in tight situations, and a good part of that is crappy O calls. Change that or soon, you too will be on the chopping block...as good as you are and as much as we all like you. Just friendly advice to a great guy...who has surrounded himself wth "yes" men....never a good sign. You gotta change something bubba, you gotta change something ..and that something is roman.
Which reminds, me ...is HE still here. Please God , tell me no. Tell Cleveland we will give them a #1 and #2 if they will take roman. please, just get him the hell out of here.