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Greg Roman, is he really good?

  • LVJay
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Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by LVJay:
I've seen this guy tear up a box of Twinkies and extra large pie of pizza in under 2 minutes, he's good!

On the game, though, he's not responsible for the turnovers; our D giving up 23 points; and the "13th man" (corrupt officials)...

he is responsible for not taking advantage.
i mean the defense came out got a sack fumble turnover the 1st play of the game and put us in the red zone
the 1st damn play of the game.

as the o.c. you go to the MONEY PLAYS and put that s**t in the end zone.

you don't get the ball then run the ball right up the middle with gore
then a little out route
then concede the field goal
that is not championship football
and that's why we don't have a championship.

you punch it in there. you win the damn game.

5 yards away no ring

1st possession 3 points.

what will it be next year?

1st year we couldn't even get a damn 1st down against the giants in the 4th and overtime

lol

Don't get me wrong, bro, I'm with you on that. Although, he has done some good things and has shown that we can win with him... as long as our defense plays the way it does and Dawson's Foot.

Leave or stay, I'm okay with either. HOWEVER, if Harbs decides to go with him for another season, a lot has gotta change. I'm sick of the inconsistencies and lame play calling...
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Kap just confirmed very WR on that last play was an option.

what does that have to do with running a toss sweep pass with james? and everything else i spoke on.
the game didn't come down to 1 play.
there were so many opportunities

how do you run the same run play on 1st down every possession with the same player?

things like that.

Actually that last play killed us.

Gore wasn't running good, LMJ isn't an option, Dixon is slow, and Hunter hasn't been great. Facing a top D running isn't going to be easy...it wasn't. Kap made 3 errors, those errors cost us the game. The last drive was working until Kap decided to only throw to crabs...that's ego, not coaching.


Agree!!! And what is it with people that think that "one play can't decide a a game"? When Smith caught the int that decided the game. Before then, the game was wide open.
I don't care what Greg Roman apologists think. There were too many opportunities that were missed by this 49er offense to score points in this game. They just simply were not constantly in a position to win. This should not have been even close, just like the Carolina game. Sure Kap is responsible for his picks but don't even try to tell me on the first offensive series you have nothing ready to go up 7 after your D has just recovered a rare Wilson fumble. It WILL come down to one play if your missing all the other plays. Greg Roman doesn't help Kap. It's just that simple.
[ Edited by NinerGM on Jan 19, 2014 at 10:31 PM ]
Originally posted by NinerGM:
I don't care what Greg Roman apologists think. There were too many opportunities that were missed by this 49er offense to score points in this game. They just simply were not constantly in a position to win. This should not have been even close, just like the Carolina game. Sure Kap is responsible for his picks but don't even try to tell me on the first offensive series you have nothing ready to go up 7 after your D has just recovered a rare Wilson fumble. It WILL come down to one play if your missing all the other plays. Greg Roman doesn't help Kap. It's just that simple.

Can you tell me what could Roman do about an incompetent QB? I am not a Roman apologist as it think he is a liability also.
Can someone explain to me how Roman improved Kap's development from last year to this? I believe he regressed.
Originally posted by 190836:
Can someone explain to me how Roman improved Kap's development from last year to this? I believe he regressed.

Roman isn't the qb coach
Originally posted by Puckdaddy:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
I don't care what Greg Roman apologists think. There were too many opportunities that were missed by this 49er offense to score points in this game. They just simply were not constantly in a position to win. This should not have been even close, just like the Carolina game. Sure Kap is responsible for his picks but don't even try to tell me on the first offensive series you have nothing ready to go up 7 after your D has just recovered a rare Wilson fumble. It WILL come down to one play if your missing all the other plays. Greg Roman doesn't help Kap. It's just that simple.

Can you tell me what could Roman do about an incompetent QB? I am not a Roman apologist as it think he is a liability also.

Think you need to pump the brakes with the incompetent talk. Kap carried the offense all first half. He literally was the only threat. He made bad decisions in the end but if you think this team is even in position to win without him, I don't know what game you saw.

To answer your question, Roman could help by using the Seattle D's aggressiveness against them. Go back through this thread and read anything posted about screens, quick slants, and play action out of the I.

It's been a theme for three years. Defenses stack the box and crash the backfield yet no plays are ever called to exploit it. A good example is the Eagles. This offense has more weapons than the eagles offense,but they use their talent much more efficiently. That's on coaching.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 190836:
Can someone explain to me how Roman improved Kap's development from last year to this? I believe he regressed.

Roman isn't the qb coach
But he is OC. His offensive philosophy directly impacts qb's development. If the qb coach is not good enough then ask the HC for a different person.
Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
Originally posted by Puckdaddy:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
I don't care what Greg Roman apologists think. There were too many opportunities that were missed by this 49er offense to score points in this game. They just simply were not constantly in a position to win. This should not have been even close, just like the Carolina game. Sure Kap is responsible for his picks but don't even try to tell me on the first offensive series you have nothing ready to go up 7 after your D has just recovered a rare Wilson fumble. It WILL come down to one play if your missing all the other plays. Greg Roman doesn't help Kap. It's just that simple.

Can you tell me what could Roman do about an incompetent QB? I am not a Roman apologist as it think he is a liability also.

Think you need to pump the brakes with the incompetent talk. Kap carried the offense all first half. He literally was the only threat. He made bad decisions in the end but if you think this team is even in position to win without him, I don't know what game you saw.

To answer your question, Roman could help by using the Seattle D's aggressiveness against them. Go back through this thread and read anything posted about screens, quick slants, and play action out of the I.

It's been a theme for three years. Defenses stack the box and crash the backfield yet no plays are ever called to exploit it. A good example is the Eagles. This offense has more weapons than the eagles offense,but they use their talent much more efficiently. That's on coaching.

First things first, his incompetence comes at the QB position. Going through progressions, making throws, accuracy, identifying coverages, blitzes etc. the plays he made in the first half were 80% RUNS! Meaning they were not predicated upon competence. You have to understand that his primary production must come from passing the ball in order for the 9ers to go any further.

And for goodness sake, please stop assessing the game based on what you do on Madden! Seattle rarely ever gives up huge gains on the screen game. THEY PLAY MAN TO MAN FROM LB TO SECONDARY!!! What does that mean? Whomever is your screen receiver will have a man lined up over them 8 times out of ten. And also add the fact that they are fast! Meaning if their puss rushers do fall for the screen their dlinemen recover fast on top of the LB's shooting the lanes. The Saints are one of the best screen teams in the league, the Seahawks fell for it ZERO times.

Show me one person on our offense that causes more concern as Shady McCoy? Then tell me why would you think that our offense should be able to do what ever the a Eagles are capable of doing? Please watch the game.
[ Edited by Puckdaddy on Jan 19, 2014 at 11:06 PM ]
Originally posted by 190836:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 190836:
Can someone explain to me how Roman improved Kap's development from last year to this? I believe he regressed.

Roman isn't the qb coach
But he is OC. His offensive philosophy directly impacts qb's development. If the qb coach is not good enough then ask the HC for a different person.

The QB guru should be able to see a problem. And the philosophy has a 3 headed monster, Roman-Harbs-Chryst.
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When you got a young QB with talent like Kap, you gotta utilize him as well as the rest of your pieces. Kap is no Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees, but he's good enough to win the big one, but Roman needs to be consistent in putting him in the position to do so.

It's taking Kap more time to develop as a pure pocket passer than we would like, but Roman isn't helping much with some lame play-calling and inconsistencies. Someone's (very young) niece can probably beat Roman in a Chess match.
Originally posted by LVJay:
When you got a young QB with talent like Kap, you gotta utilize him as well as the rest of your pieces. Kap is no Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees, but he's good enough to win the big one, but Roman needs to be consistent in putting him in the position to do so.

It's taking Kap more time to develop as a pure pocket passer than we would like, but Roman isn't helping much with some lame play-calling and inconsistencies. Someone's (very young) niece can probably beat Roman in a Chess match.

Try to understand that a QB with inabilities forces a coordinator to have an inability to scheme fully. So you may see him call lame duck plays, but try to take the personnel into consideration.
I honestly don't have any gripes with the way Roman called the game. The players lost this one.
SF First Down Plays By Quarter

Q1

Gore 2 yards off left tackle

Gore 1 yard off left tackle

Kaepernick 17 yards right end

Gore -1 yard up middle

Q2

Kaepenick incomplete pass

Gore no gain off right guard

Kaepernick 58 yards off right tackle

Gore 2 yards off right guard

Kaepernick incomplete pass

Kaepernick kneel down

Q3

Gore -1 yard off left tackle

Kaepernick incomplete pass

Gore 9 yards right end

Kaepernick 22 yards pass Crabtree

Kaepernick 22 yards left end

Kaepernick -8 sack-fumble

Gore no gain left tackle

Q4

Kaepernick incomplete pass

Hunter 3 yards left end

Hunter 11 yards right tackle

Kaepernick intercepted

James no gain right end

Kaepernick 4 yards left tackle

Kaepernick 11 yards pass VD middle

Kaepernick intercepted



The stubborn insistence to run on first down is sickening...and ineffective. Gore has 8 first down runs for 12 yards. The only runs that worked were off end or around end.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Jan 19, 2014 at 11:31 PM ]
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Originally posted by Puckdaddy:
Try to understand that a QB with inabilities forces a coordinator to have an inability to scheme fully. So you may see him call lame duck plays, but try to take the personnel into consideration.

Kap's not one of the greatest (has potential to be) and isn't very good (YET) at reading good defenses / schemes.

Roman is not a great offensive coordinator (PERIOD)!!

Originally posted by SofaKing:
I honestly don't have any gripes with the way Roman called the game. The players lost this one.

Agreed....