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Greg Roman, is he really good?

  • tsty
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A classic description of Roman should be the James play where he was suppose to pass it back to Kapy.....WTF.
Originally posted by tsty:
A classic description of Roman should be the James play where he was suppose to pass it back to Kapy.....WTF.
No kidding. Why the **** are they trying Mickey Mouse s**t like that with 3 minutes left in the NFC Championship game? Holy hell, talk about an inappropriate time to try something like that.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Please don't start the Gore is average or even worse, Gore is done stuff. He was being tackled by 1 or 2 guys behind the line of scrimmage on just about every play. Is he Marshawn Lynch? No, but who is. Gore's a little older and has a lot left. I think if we get a good center, a healthy Mike Iupati, and a passing game that we actually use (we have the players already) and the lanes should be more open for Gore.
Why note hire five allpro o-liners? If you start thinking about the o-line to bolster the running game, sometimes you have to question the RBs instead. Gore was subpar against Seatlle AGAIN.
The zone tallks about Gore as if he were the best RB of all time. Where was he today?
Originally posted by buck:
The three turnovers killed us.

Are you willing to place those turnovers on Roman?

At some point, Kaepernick has to do a better job of protecting the ball.

at some point you have to call a good game
we get the ball right out of the gate on a big play and he calls 3 horrible plays

that was the tone of the entire game.

every play kap made was because of his ability to get away from the crap that was called
how is it everyone can run on the seahawks but gore can't
maybe because every run is on 1st down and right in the middle

he was absolutely horrible today
and the reason we didn't put up points on the board he tried to turn on the offense at the end instead of putting them away

why would you call the plays he called coming out of half with a chance to go up big?

why would he run a damn pass option play with lmj in the championship game?

kape made the right read at the end just needed a better throw and they made a hell of a play

we wouldn't have even been in the game if kap didn't keep us in it

and the defense was 50/50

they played good
and then gave up horrible stuff

but roman has to go
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Not completely but I do have some big questions about schemes and calls ......

What worked: the left side of the field
What didn't work: running into 11 men
What worked: bootlegs to 3rd and 4th receiver(s)
What didn't work: AR plays
What worked: giving Kap 2 options on passing plays - throws or clear running lanes
What didn't: designed runs after they were used a couple of times
What didnt: leaving Anthony Davis one-on-one with Irvin and Bennent

Just want to know why we invested so much energy in what didn't work and at the most critical times in the game went to the things ... again that didn't give us the maximum chance to win. I could say the same thing for the Super Bowl.

So IMHO, it goes to show - no matter who's healthy, this offense is still inept... whether that 50-Kap/50-Roman, it needs to be fixed. This type of offense is unsustainable.

I think you are right and said before the game this would demonstrate Roman's ability--healthy, good weather, tough place but he needed to overcome that and win.

What only worked once--running Gore on first down. I am so sick of second and ten or eleven! Then they started hitting passes in the middle...and I was so happy...until Kaepernick tried to hit a long throw. Yeah...with enough time to work your way down the field and use the clock...why not force it into Crabtree?

I wonder how much is Roman and how much is on CK's decision making. Hard for me to tell...but I'm beginning to hate the run first game even more!
  • buck
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Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
He sucked today. His offense let SEA back in the game. Defense balled today

The three turnovers killed us.

Are you willing to place those turnovers on Roman?

At some point, Kaepernick has to do a better job of protecting the ball.

The play to outside was definitely on Kap, he should've never thrown it to Boldin but it does start with the AR bulls**t that Roman and Harbaugh have installed. It is holding back this team and Kap.

The fumble cannot logically be attributed to Roman. In addition, to the Kaepernick's three turnovers, there was a huge breakdown on special teams. You can not put the special team breakdown on Roman.

If I remember correctly Boldin had two drops. Is Roman responsible for every mistake the team makes?

Mistakes, mistakes made on the field by players, killed us this game.


I agree that the team needs to drastically improve its passing game--that there are conceptual flaws in the passing scheme that need to be corrected.

Harbaugh has two years left on his contract--two years to make the corrections that are needed. I would like to see the corrections made.

If Roman is fired or Roman is kept, I do not care. I want to see a better developed passing game.
[ Edited by buck on Jan 19, 2014 at 7:50 PM ]
  • sfout
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Originally posted by communist:
what is AR again?

Anointed Receiver.

It is when there is a designated player that is the one and only player meant to get the ball. It isn't always a bad thing but it is for us when Roman/Chryst/Harbaugh use long developing plays to get to the AR. It causes Kap to stare at the receiver for 3+ seconds.
Run up the middle every 1st down. Get the lead and sit on it. Only time we do something is when they tie it up or we get down. Doesnt know how to get TDs instead of FGs. Not all him but he is a big part of it. He might be able to design plays but he certainly doesnt know when to call them. Most of our offense came from Kap scrambling. Up to Harbaugh but I hope he goes. Just a matter of can we upgrade over him or not. Spread the Seahawks out, throw quick throws... slants, curls to the sidelines, etc... then run some draws when they are backed off. Or spread them out have QB draw or get kap running with their backs turned to him. First game Roman bunched everyone up on the line ran jumbo with 1 wr... yep that will work. He did it again this game. Way too many bunched up formations and runs when it was obvious.
He he comes back, there is something wrong with this front office and HC.
Originally posted by buck:
The fumble cannot logically be attributed to Roman. In addition, to the Kaepernick's three turnovers, there was a huge breakdown on special teams. You can not put the special team breakdown on Roman.

If I remember correctly Boldin had two drops. Is Roman responsible for every mistake the team makes?

Mistakes, mistakes made on the field by players, killed us this game.


I agree that the team needs to drastically improve its passing game--that there are conceptual flaws in the passing scheme that need to be corrected.

Harbaugh has two years left on his contract--two years to make the corrections that are needed. I would like to see the corrections made.

If Roman is fired or Roman is kept, I do not care. I want to see a better developed passing game.

This is my wish as well, but I wonder if that will happen with Roman at OC. I keep wondering about the story detailing the way plays are called, using three different people...run, pass and Roman relaying the plays. Then Harbaugh can over rule. Seems a weird way to run an offense. And I want the passing game to be in sync...not hodge podge, willynilly, devel may care...whatever the hell it is now.
  • tsty
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With all the forum chatter and many good points made, I truly thought after fumbling the ball on a play he surely should have run, that Kapy was going to protect the ball. I hope this does eat at him as much as all the people he has disappointed because it's a learning tool to improve........GO NINERS.
Originally posted by communist:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Please don't start the Gore is average or even worse, Gore is done stuff. He was being tackled by 1 or 2 guys behind the line of scrimmage on just about every play. Is he Marshawn Lynch? No, but who is. Gore's a little older and has a lot left. I think if we get a good center, a healthy Mike Iupati, and a passing game that we actually use (we have the players already) and the lanes should be more open for Gore.
Why note hire five allpro o-liners? If you start thinking about the o-line to bolster the running game, sometimes you have to question the RBs instead. Gore was subpar against Seatlle AGAIN.
The zone tallks about Gore as if he were the best RB of all time. Where was he today?

Again, he was being tackled by 1 or 2 guys behind the line of scrimmage on just about every play. What running back was going to succeed in that situation not named Marshawn Lynch? If anything I would've used Kendall Hunter more since he could've provided some speed. Gore was terrible today, I'll give you that. But considering the circumstances and that there was no real threat of a passing game- ever, he may not be the same, but he's not average either.

It is about time (2012 was the time honestly) that we began sharing these carries.
Harbaugh has a play sheet in his hands, and if he can't see what is going on with the play calling, maybe he needs to back to coaching college.
I'm over Roman..I pray he gets a hc job.
Originally posted by tsty:
A classic description of Roman should be the James play where he was suppose to pass it back to Kapy.....WTF.

+1

I mean it just wouldn't have fooled anyone. And even if it works, does it go for more yards that a standard play to a 3rd or 4th receiver off a boot? Why risk your QB like this and a turnover. Too many lost series on BS play-calling.