Originally posted by Buchy:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by SJniner7:
I feel like roman's passing plays are something I would design while playing at the park. I feel like he just sends guys deep or puts them all in the same area. You don't see very many recievers, TE, or RB accross the middle, out in the flats,or on short to intermediate routes. And his screen plays? OMG, they are almost always an utter failure. We have to be the worst screen team in the league with one of the best/youngest/most agile OL in the league. how does that happen?
This is a HUGE issue and one I've been noticing for the past 12 games or so esp. under CK. The route-tree is horrendous and about as QB-unfriendly as it gets. They keep talking about precision and better execution but how is that possible if 3 receivers go out, two go deep and to the same area (easily covered) and he only "real" target is the shorter route and he's covered as well. These receivers aren't being covered b/c they suck, they are being covered b/c they are simple straight-line routes or curls that don't make ANY DB have to work to cover them. Then CK is off to the races and forced to ad lib and we, by far, have got to be one of the worst ad lib teams I've ever seen. Many of the times the WR's are still downfield blocking out DB's (b/c they expecting the underneath WR to get it cleanly) and/or they don't turn around in time, are slow in finding the soft zone (b/c they don't know if CK is going to run or they should GET AWAY from the DB for a pass), etc.
Either way, this is still a huge huge issue in this anti-WCO route-tree. The need to install SOME WCO principals so that CK not only has options at every level (deeper, intermediate, check-downs) but so that the RECIEVERS themselves know where to go and how to get open and the scheme favors their skill sets to get open instead of being easily covered like they currently are IMHO.
I noticed this on Boldin's first touchdown the other night, he actually ran a shallower route and Baldwin ran the deeper one but both to the same corner. There was a busted coverage I think and the CB moved onto Baldwin to assist the safety then came back. If he'd stuck with Boldin I don't think we'd even have got the first down...The Vernon TD was good, 2nd read and just Vernon beating his man.
I actually was happies about the 2 Baldwin catches largely because I think it will encourage Kaep to throw more to him - McDonald needs to be a target as well for Kaep, he needs to be confident in putting it to Baldwin, Boldin and McDonald when they're covered and let them go get the ball.
I think we should be sending Vernon deep, Vance McDonald sitting in the middle and Boldin/Baldwin running rouates from the outside. Also Roman should have a look at some of the short checkdown passes that KC executed against Philly, they actually threw short to a crossing route in the middle while 3 other receivers blocked ahead of the target.
Sure. When's the last come-back we ran?
Many many of the great contemporary passing attacks target almost as many receivers as there are on the roster. The classic SF WCO, Manning in Indy/Denver, Rogers now, Brees now -- all these guys complete 30 passes to 8 different receivers on a very good day.
We do not show any such tendency. Whether it's because the QB has tunnel vision, or there are not enough receivers called as the number one read on the plays does not really matter. We don't spread it around. And it has NOTHING to do with the talent set of the receiving corps. Brees gets the ball of to everyone because they are okay to very good receivers, but the play design puts them in a superior position to get open, and the QB delivers. Same for all others above. The wco was successful with many average players in the skill position.
We don't seem to have any of that mentality. I'd like to blame Roman. But I read that he does not design passing plays. If that's true then is he really to blame?