Originally posted by iLL49er:
NC...Colin in on game 24, it takes 30 they say b4 it all clicks for a QB..and the signs of it clicking are there in the last 3 weeks..he's progressed significantly. i see him moving the defense w/ his eyes and making what trent dildo would call "graduate level" plays
do you disagree?
iLL, if you've followed this thread, we're merely pointing out the patterns we've seen in our passing game. But on the same token, we recognize MANY of CK's own flaws as well and as a result, we've all struggled to ID whether HaRoMan have "scaled back the offense" b/c of CK himself and/or b/c of the personnel losses (and lack of trust in anyone else or even CK himself) or is it another reason? At this junction, our theory isn't so much with CK and his development level as we speak as it is with the philosophy/type of passing game we employ here. We feel CK is merely an extention of the passing game...he is simply executing the plays called in by HaRoMan (like college). He is affored the chance to choose between 1 or 2 of their plays with perhaps, the chance to audible out but given he usually only has a few seconds left on the play clock, we're guestimating he's staying with the primary play call the majority of the time.
Fans that are assuming this is a true WCO or modern day version if it or even a pro-style Spread offense, simply are seeing what CK should be doing...going through his "progressions." But this is where I fundamentally disagree. I'm saying there ARE no true progressions based on the play design itself (unless it's a PS Spread call where we usually run out 4 WR's). That doesn't mean that if his AR is covered (or he doesn't pull the trigger) he can't ad lib and make a play with guys he has chemistry with such as Boldin, Crabtree and VD (3 of the 4 most recent TD's have come off CK not pulling the trigger on the AR initially and then ad libbing successfully with his receiver).
If we were running a more pure or modern version of a WCO or even a pro-style Spread, I'd agree with Belichick and say he'd need his 10,000 passes (ala Alex Smith). BUT, the bigger question is, do we run a passing game that would even require that (right now)? IMHO, CK simply has to execute the play call right now...if covered or he doesn't pull the trigger, he's off and running and either buying time to pass or picking up first downs solo. Simple.
There is a big reason why the media has been saying he's a "remedial QB if he doesn't hit his first read" and "he's a one-read QB." Then Harbaugh and Roman come out and say he's doing exactly what they ask of him. Those two are control freaks and THEY want to have total control of their QB and their passing game. I doubt that will ever change.
Now, to me, the pattern is very clear.
So overall, yes I agree...typically in a WCO it takes over 3+ years to master. Since we have no idea how complex Roman's offense is, it may take even longer. We may only be seeing the foundation: designed (team) passing game and perhaps, the next phase is giving more freedom to CK, installing more PS plays where HE chooses the best receiver through real/actual progressions, etc. We'll see...but before you dismiss a theory, I ask that you take those simple steps yourself and come to your own conclusion with an open mind...I think you'll see it. It really stands out even if you only watch a few passing plays.
PS: The moving the defense with his eyes is still an AR concept. With the AR called in, CK knows who the receiver is so it's not hard to "look off" a S to aid the AR in that matchup. CK has always been pretty good at that and yes, I agree, that is veteran-like skill; no question!
[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 17, 2013 at 9:45 AM ]