Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
NC--the only thing I can disagree with from your recent post, and thank you for the lengthy explanation--it helps a great deal, is the WCO not using the RB coming out of the backfield as a primary receiver. There were many times when the primary receiver was the back. The most obvious situations were tight coverage on the WRs and TE with a heavy rush coming from OLBs. Walsh used to kill pass rushers by using the RB over and over...it was intentional and accomplished two things...slowing down the rush and gaining YAC when the RBs were not or under covered. That's what I want to see more of with Gore, Hunter and James.
I'll keep watching and see if I see the same thing you do. It would help a great deal to have video from above for each play!
You are absolutely correct dtg_9er! Sadly, we haven't utilized this concept (yet). It's especially critical against an aggressive box (6-2) like Seattle. Hopefully that will be the next installation for CK and HaRoMan. That said, you are right, just like CK can be his own AR2 on a designed run, you can absolutely make Gore, Hunter, James, Miller and even McDonald AR's as well by design!
The Bucs/Niner game is on TV (hopefully where you live) so if you get to watch it, record it and let me know what you start to see. I'm hoping for more use of the RB's and more PS plays!
But we do use Miller a lot like Tom Rathman was, we had quite a few designed plays to the FB in the flat. We keep Gore in to block more because he's probably a better pass blocker than a receiver. That's not to say he isn't a good receiver, he's just an exceptional blocker.
Using Miller is a great idea as far as I'm concerned because he is often overlooked by the D. They figure they can always catch up with him...and to some extent they are correct. But I'd really like to see James used more as a swing receiver because of his running style...the guy is very shifty.
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
or todays special the dive into Gerald McCoy's belly on 3rd and short
At least it's a large target!
Yes, the full game was on locally! So, here is the breakdown for you of the
AR1, 2, Pro Style (PS) and
Ad lib passing plays. There were several plays where CK audibled but the AR/PS broke down and he scrambled instead (no pass) and I won't cover those; just the plays where CK actually passed the ball. I also saw this continued trend of blocking first and/or delayed flare outs by all running backs as outlets (love this BTW); they continue to be wide open as well (like in the Hawks game). I saw even more PS plays (some wiped out by delay-of-game penalties or ad lib scrambles by CK). They are very easy to see...any time we go 4 WR's (even if VD is one of them), it's always a PS passing play where CK scans the field and chooses his best option. I continue to see lots of roll-rights by CK and it seems on many of them, CK is running backwards trying to make a play. Gore and others blocked as well as they could on that edge but it appeared the Bucs were all over this play with 2 or 3 guys chasing CK in the backfield on the regular. We didn't take advantage of this (or adjust). I thought we got a couple sacks on poor play designs as well (and execution by the OL). CK and the ad lib receivers
really saved so many passing plays today coupled with good DC's coaching of rushing CK backwards all day long (on the scrambles). It seemed like CK had more audibles this game esp. when the Bucs came up to blitz (encouraging).
BTW: It's very easy to determine who the AR is in the play design given CK's head angle/body positioning IMHO.
First Half
1Q:
AR1 @ 13:19 Crabtree @ X (wide left) position, VD off the LOS in the Y (right slot, usually) and Boldin @ the Z (wide right) position. Celek seams up field on the left side of our LT. All 3 run go-routes clearing out VD underneath from right to left behind the DL; hit instantly by CK for 5 yards. Gore flared out late to the right sideline as a outlet.
Ad lib @ 8:41 22 personnel and only Boldin @ the Z position. VD runs a go, corner (of the EZ route, I believe), Boldin runs a go, stop under him and Miller is the AR1 here and flares out under both. CK doesn't pull the trigger right away on a roll-right (for some reason) so naturally, it becomes an ad lib play. He continues his scramble right and eventually, hits Miller for a first down on the right sideline who adjusted well to CK's scramble/ad lib pass. First down on a 3rd down conversion inside the RZ. Boldin would have been the better option here but Miller was the AR.
Ad lib @ 7:15 Boldin @ X position, VD stayed in to block from the Y and Crabtree @ the Z position. It looked like the design was to hit Crabtree right away as the AR1. It was a fake pitch to James who runs left (to isolate Crabtree) while CK rolls right agian. Again, CK doesn't hit him right away (not sure why he's hesitating so much as he too was open) so CK and Crabtree ad lib and get the TD anyhow. It's a terrible design IMHO b/c Miller also ran through the line in the middle while CK instantly starting rolling right...didn't fool anyone for even a second. That said, Crabtree had his man beat (we rely heavily on individual matchups). If Roman was smart, he probably could have run this same play (minus the fake toss left)...getting the D flowing to the right and then passing to James (even a pitch if the DE doesn't come up field) in that flat while Boldin did what he did...slants in and picks off/blocks (i.e. seals the edge) out the defender(s). James was wide open. Smart, safe play on 1st down inside the 10.
AR1 @ 4:57 Boldin @ X position, Celek off the LOS in the Y and Crabtree @ the Z position. This, by far, is our most common AR1 play. Crabtree runs a standard go route and Celek runs a hook underneath him along the sidelines for 9.
AR1 @ 4:23 Crabtree @ X position, Boldin in the left Y and Celek out @ the Z position. VD lines up on the right side of the OL. All 3 run our standard go and VD runs his routes across the formation but 2 yards short of the first down. It became an AR2 as the design was to hit VD in stride across the formation and outrun the LB/S while Crabtree blocks out his DB clearing the left sideline/edge for VD. Crabtree did his part but the S made the tackle early on VD.
2Q:
AR1/Ad lib @ 15:00 Boldin @ X position, VD bunched with him at the left Y and Crabtree @ the Z position. It was a fake handoff to Hunter left (drawing attention to the left side) while CK rolls right to hit the only AR1 on that side (Crabtree). But the Bucs blew it up as Miller didn't get to the DE fast enough to block the edge and CK passes from 15 yards behind the LOS on the run to Crabtree who sees the scramble, comes back along the sidelines for 11 and a first down. It was basically a 30 yard sideways pass on the run. Crazy!
AR1 @ 10:57 Crabtree @ X position, VD on the LOS to the right and Boldin @ the Z position. FINALLY, we use the RB/FB as an AR1. Both Wr's run their standard go route, VD takes off the line on a go taking 2 defenders at first while Miller runs the same pattern on his coat tails but then breaks off the route, plants inside, turns, is hit with the ball instantly and turns up field for 5. This is a play we could murder aggressive/good defenses with (i.e. Seattle last game); this is a play we should use Hunter/James on the most. Now we're in 2nd and 5 and the playbook is open.
PS @ 9:02 5 WR set! Celek @ X position, Boldin to his right and VD stayed in the left slot (Y) while we had Gore in the right slot (Y) and Crabtree @ the Z position. Boldin and VD run go's and it's a quick toss to Celek for 11 as he was given a big cushion by his DB d/t the respect to Boldin/VD. Smart play! This could have been an AR1 design but with this many WR's, it's usually by design to give CK some multiple options and let him choose. Unfortunately, illegal formation by AD.
Ad lib @ 8:31 Crabtree @ X position, Boldin next to him from the left slot (Y) and VD on the LOS to the right with Celek in the Z position just back off the LOS next to him. I believe the AR1 was supposed to be VD who runs a seam deep left route. Crabtree runs out two yards and stops, Boldin runs a slow go route down the sideline and VD blasts off the LOS. CK has to scramble and ad lib a bit but still gets a great throw off to VD that should have been a TD (later it was). I think this was a design to take a shots to VD today.
PS @ 8:21 Boldin @ X position, Celek to his right wide, VD in the slot (Y) and Manningham @ the Z position. Both Celek and VD run go's and Boldin cuts off his route outside and runs across the formation. CK is forced to scramble left on 3rd and 15 but has enough to pass across his body and hit Boldin short who then breaks a tackles and runs to the right side of the field and picks up the first down; good down field blocking by Gore and Manningham.
AR1 @ 7:41 Crabtree @ X position, Celek in the left slot (Y) and Crabtree @ the Z position. VD runs a seam from the right side of the OT and Miller delays and flares out underneath Crabtree/Celek's go routes but CK badly misses his short route.
AR1 @ 3:03 Crabtree @ X position (in slight motion) and Boldin to his right in the slot (Y). VD runs a go from the right side of the OT, Miller runs behind Boldin's deep go while Crabtree breaks his go to the sideline and CK hits him in stride. Boldin's route (go-left) took both Goldon and made Revis hesitate on Crabtree. Nice design. Miller technically took two defenders on this one freeing up Crabtree in the drop-in pass. The previous flare out to Miller may have set up this pass.
AR1 @ 2:04 Crabtree @ X position, Boldin to his right in the slot (Y) and VD @ the Z position. I love this design. Celek from the right side of the RT, runs a straight go towards the right sideline taking a defenser while VD slants inside and is hit in stride by CK in the middle of the field just to the right has mark and turns up field for 13.
AR1 @ 1:56 Boldin @ X position. VD is off the back hip of Celek who is lined up on the LOS next to the RT. Boldin runs somwhat of a slant but VD BLOWS off the LOS. It's him all the way. This time CK hits him in stride deep for the TD. First half over and we're up 17-0 at this juncture.
I am not going to do the second half...unless requested.
[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 16, 2013 at 10:26 AM ]