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Ted Ginn Jr or Kyle Williams?

Ted Ginn Jr or Kyle Williams?

I say keep Ginn until

1. We find another returner that is equally good if not better and can contribute more or offense (or defense).

or

2. We get some 6'4 + young receiver that we will actually use regularly

or

3. His roster spot prevents us from keeping a guy that can potentially contribute more to the team and we have already have a competent KR and PR.
yea ginn just came off an injury, let's give him about 4 more games before we doom him
Originally posted by jreff22:
If both Ginn and Moss go we could be looking at 2 WR's in the draft. I want a big guy....been screaming for one for years but having another guy that offers return ability will be key. Right now I dont see LMJ in that role until he proves otherwise. But it could be that Sanders doesn't have the chances at SC to showcase skills....or he may not be a good WR? But being the 5th/6th WR...he cant be worse then Ginn getting 0 snaps on offense.

He may not declare this year so its all speculation but if he does, keep an eye out for him. Reports are he runs in the 4.43 range....but he can stop and go in a flash.

With AJ waiting for a chance, and guys like Manningham, Crabtree, and KW playing well... I doubt we draft a WR this year. Maybe a 7th rounder to develop on the practice squad. But nothing more.
I still like Ginn returning punts because I never doubt ball security.
Originally posted by sacniner:
I still like Ginn returning punts because I never doubt ball security.

yea, he's a nice security blanket, but he'll have to go eventually.
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Originally posted by sacniner:
I still like Ginn returning punts because I never doubt ball security.

yea, he's a nice security blanket, but he'll have to go eventually.

Yeah, this is his last year with us.
  • Nuns
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Although the kid is a Junior, small, and not a great WR.......go look at (return highlights) of Ace Sanders out of South Carolina....dude is nasty

Holy crap is he quick and shifty... don't see us drafting a guy just to be a RS though. Looks like a team could use him in a Percy Harvin/Randall Cobb in the backfield shift role. A guy you have to get the ball into his hands and let him work in the open field.

If both Ginn and Moss go we could be looking at 2 WR's in the draft. I want a big guy....been screaming for one for years but having another guy that offers return ability will be key. Right now I dont see LMJ in that role until he proves otherwise. But it could be that Sanders doesn't have the chances at SC to showcase skills....or he may not be a good WR? But being the 5th/6th WR...he cant be worse then Ginn getting 0 snaps on offense.

He may not declare this year so its all speculation but if he does, keep an eye out for him. Reports are he runs in the 4.43 range....but he can stop and go in a flash.

Anyone else noticing Randy's body language? Even when he makes a catch he looks pissed off. I understand that he'd like to see the field more but he should be happy he has a roster spot on a winning team. I'd like to see a little more fire from him.
Originally posted by Nuns:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Although the kid is a Junior, small, and not a great WR.......go look at (return highlights) of Ace Sanders out of South Carolina....dude is nasty

Holy crap is he quick and shifty... don't see us drafting a guy just to be a RS though. Looks like a team could use him in a Percy Harvin/Randall Cobb in the backfield shift role. A guy you have to get the ball into his hands and let him work in the open field.

If both Ginn and Moss go we could be looking at 2 WR's in the draft. I want a big guy....been screaming for one for years but having another guy that offers return ability will be key. Right now I dont see LMJ in that role until he proves otherwise. But it could be that Sanders doesn't have the chances at SC to showcase skills....or he may not be a good WR? But being the 5th/6th WR...he cant be worse then Ginn getting 0 snaps on offense.

He may not declare this year so its all speculation but if he does, keep an eye out for him. Reports are he runs in the 4.43 range....but he can stop and go in a flash.

Anyone else noticing Randy's body language? Even when he makes a catch he looks pissed off. I understand that he'd like to see the field more but he should be happy he has a roster spot on a winning team. I'd like to see a little more fire from him.

I think you are reading into this too much. What do you want him to do, dance every time he makes a catch? I have liked him on the squad. At least the defense has to account for him, and he is probably helping out the younger guys.
I don't think this is a fair vote. Ginn still isn't completely well and you can see it, plain as day. He's missing that explosive step and cutting ability. He may be able to run on that troublesome ankle right now, but he's still not all the way back.
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in the offseason you guys were calling for williams' head

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I skimmed the posts to see if anyone already answered but Ginn played 12 snaps on offense compared to Williams' 20 -- Not sure of when Ginn played his but it had to be late and even Randy Moss played 18 snaps.

One thing I have to say is I cant recall if Williams was even targeted any other play besides his TD but let me ask this hypothetical, could Ginn have stopped, caught that pass, and turned on a dime for 10 yard acceleration to the end zone? Williams is a lot more agile then Ginn and its been beaten to death for some reason in the media but he is our starting slot receiver for his "excellent short area quickness", thats something that Ginn doesn't bring to the table and even though he is more of an outside receiver its hard to justify keeping Ginn around when he is so far nothing more then an average backup WR. Both him and Crabtree fell "victim" to playing for utterly dominant teams in weak conferences but the catch(no pun intended) is that Crabtree can actually catch and play WR. Ginn's best play last season didn't even count because of a ticky-tack offensive PI call, bad luck for him but he hasn't done anything for us as WR since we traded for him (also needs to be noted that I defended him a lot and do believe he is a great backup WR).

Also we dont really need him from a gadget play perspective with Manningham killing it on the fly sweeps and I'm confident Jenkins and LMJ could do them just as well as Ginn goes.

I was one of the people advocating for Ginn to not be re-signed in the spring and I'm still one of the people who haven't had any rose colored glasses about the fact that he is nothing more then a placeholder for Jenkins this season. We were going to let him walk in FA and when he didn't find a better offer we of course welcomed him back with open arms because he had done so well as a returner but he's not doing anything warrant anything but another 1 year deal. Its painfully obvious that Ginn will be gone next year and I wouldn't be surprised if he is cut or traded this season, especially if Williams, Cox, or LMJ unseat him as the main PR.

It also has to mean something Williams is now our full time KR guy while Ginn is our full time PR. Why is Ginn not returning kickoffs if he is healthy enough to field punts?
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Originally posted by jrg:
in the offseason you guys were calling for williams' head


not all of us. alot of us were impressed by the way he worked his ass off in the off season and a shout out to the coaches who never let outside pressure or fans b***hing about kyle allow them to make any stupid knee jerk decisions. i felt really good for him to get that score, salute his late mom and maybe get rid of a few demons from the giants. nice to see the fans at the park give him a big hand to.. in regards to ginn,, i am on the fence, glad we got him, still like him doing punts but he is a one trick pony. i think next year the combo of kyle and the two kids we drafted can more than replace ginn
Neither. I want Delanie Walker returning kicks.

I long for the days of Dexter Carter.
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Originally posted by matt49er:
I can't believe it but I'm going with Williams. I'll admit I'm one of the one's that hated KW after the NFCCG but he has proven himself to me. Maybe more importantly, at least in my view, sitting Ginn Jr would open up a spot for either AJ Jenkins or LMJ. I'd love to add LMJ and just see what his speed could do for us on the field for a few plays per game. We have the speed at WR with Manningham, Williams and with Davis at TE.

Ginn looks timid on returns, he's going for the sidelines too early and I just don't think he's better than Williams as a return man or a receiver. I don't want to cut him, he could be useful if we have injuries at either spot this year or if KW starts to mess things up. But for now, it could be a way to try even another wrinkle in our offense with one of our 2 first round picks.

What a game! 621 yards!?!?! Are you kidding me? I love watching this offense grow and take off, become explosive and prove people wrong. I'm at the point that I expect the D to be dominate, but the offense playing like that was a real treat. Even my wife who is an Eagles fan chimed in and said man nobody can stop the 49ers if they play even close to that on offense. What a terrific feeling!

Williams was always the better pass receiver. Ginn's "problem" is not about him. There is still something missing on STs this season. Perhaps Costanzo was a bigger, more important contributor than anyone realized, perhaps not, but the blocking and the coverage is just not at the same level it was last season. Ginn has not had the lanes to run in that he had last season.

I like Ginn because he has proven that he can find the lanes when they are there, and when he does, he has the burner speed to finish (score). I love Williams quickness but he lacks Ginn's speed.
Originally posted by blm7754:
Originally posted by jreff22:
If both Ginn and Moss go we could be looking at 2 WR's in the draft. I want a big guy....been screaming for one for years but having another guy that offers return ability will be key. Right now I dont see LMJ in that role until he proves otherwise. But it could be that Sanders doesn't have the chances at SC to showcase skills....or he may not be a good WR? But being the 5th/6th WR...he cant be worse then Ginn getting 0 snaps on offense.

He may not declare this year so its all speculation but if he does, keep an eye out for him. Reports are he runs in the 4.43 range....but he can stop and go in a flash.

With AJ waiting for a chance, and guys like Manningham, Crabtree, and KW playing well... I doubt we draft a WR this year. Maybe a 7th rounder to develop on the practice squad. But nothing more.
We aren't rolling into next season with only 4 guys and we have no idea what Jenkins can do. I'm not calling for a 1st round WR but if we lose both guys it could be a 3rd-5th round pick.