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defense has regressed

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Let's see...one bad game...two good ones. So, yeah, they're regressing, alright. Pa-leeze.

They got it together in the second half, allowing only 7.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
I think its impressive that we've only allowed 6 touchdowns in 3 games, especially if you consider we played two elite offenses.

Also, its very impressive that in three games, opposing teams only entered the red zone 5 times.

Packers and Lions offenses being "elite" this year is arguable, to me they're one dimensional...I'll agree they have elite "passing" though.

My concern is how 49ers defend more balanced offenses, like Vikings, Ravens, Giants, etc...come playoff time, those are the dangerous teams! And 49ers have recently lost to these type of teams.
Some of the criticism on Aldon is way too harsh. He still has a lot to learn regardless of the sacks.
Originally posted by SFrush:
Some of the criticism on Aldon is way too harsh. He still has a lot to learn regardless of the sacks.

Yeah, he may be in the case of just trying to learn the position and thinking while playing. Instead of knowing like a vet at the position and just reacts. He should play faster as he gets more familiar.
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
I think its impressive that we've only allowed 6 touchdowns in 3 games, especially if you consider we played two elite offenses.

Also, its very impressive that in three games, opposing teams only entered the red zone 5 times.

Packers and Lions offenses being "elite" this year is arguable, to me they're one dimensional...I'll agree they have elite "passing" though.

My concern is how 49ers defend more balanced offenses, like Vikings, Ravens, Giants, etc...come playoff time, those are the dangerous teams! And 49ers have recently lost to these type of teams.

Yeah. They may not be elite like last year, but they are still great. Whenever you have Rogers or Megatron, its tough to defend that.

I don't know that we struggle against balanced teams. I mean, not many teams can run against us anyway so what good is a running game? Minn isn't that great or balanced either. We just s**t the bed that day.

I wouldn't consider the Giants balanced either. They air it out with the best of em.
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Yeah, but we shoulda taken J.J Whatt. He's been great, and we coulda put him in for that Justin Smith guy.

Woulda made a big difference.

Seriously, the rest of the league has seen our defense for a year, and have made some adjustments on how to attack it.

I'd like to see Fangio mix it up a little more, throw in some more blitz packages, etc. He obviously knows what he's doing, tho, and adjusts the defense to address the strengths of whatever offense he's facing every week.

I hope Ian Williams gets activated this weekend, with Soap out, and gets some snaps. He looked really good in preseason.

I would be seriously worried if I saw Ian Williams on the field, call me crazy
Originally posted by verb1der:
Packers and Lions offenses being "elite" this year is arguable, to me they're one dimensional...I'll agree they have elite "passing" though.

My concern is how 49ers defend more balanced offenses, like Vikings, Ravens, Giants, etc...come playoff time, those are the dangerous teams! And 49ers have recently lost to these type of teams.

Lol
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
I think its impressive that we've only allowed 6 touchdowns in 3 games, especially if you consider we played two elite offenses.

Also, its very impressive that in three games, opposing teams only entered the red zone 5 times.

Packers and Lions offenses being "elite" this year is arguable, to me they're one dimensional...I'll agree they have elite "passing" though.

My concern is how 49ers defend more balanced offenses, like Vikings, Ravens, Giants, etc...come playoff time, those are the dangerous teams! And 49ers have recently lost to these type of teams.

Yeah. They may not be elite like last year, but they are still great. Whenever you have Rogers or Megatron, its tough to defend that.

I don't know that we struggle against balanced teams. I mean, not many teams can run against us anyway so what good is a running game? Minn isn't that great or balanced either. We just s**t the bed that day.

I wouldn't consider the Giants balanced either. They air it out with the best of em.

As much as I would love to fully write off last Sunday as a "fluke" or "off day" I can't, not until the 49ers bounce back convincingly.

Vikings executed a fairly balanced offensive plan against this defense. They have a real threat at RB and collectively found success.

The Giants are balance to me because their persistence in incorporating a running attack, even though sometimes they don't get the yards needed, they do it to remain balanced, and if all else fails, they have a QB that can throw for hundreds of yards. We don't, unfortunately.
Originally posted by verb1der:
As much as I would love to fully write off last Sunday as a "fluke" or "off day" I can't, not until the 49ers bounce back convincingly.

Vikings executed a fairly balanced offensive plan against this defense. They have a real threat at RB and collectively found success.

The Giants are balance to me because their persistence in incorporating a running attack, even though sometimes they don't get the yards needed, they do it to remain balanced, and if all else fails, they have a QB that can throw for hundreds of yards. We don't, unfortunately.
And that's been the biggest problem with the offense so far, IMO. I was really hoping we'd see a more vertical offense that incorporated Alex connecting on deep passes to WRs. Alex's play-it-safe, dont-take-risks style is fine, BUT the defense and special teams needs to play absolutely lights out to make it work and grind out wins. Otherwise, Alex has got to start throwing deep and show defenses that the passing game is a real threat...
our problem is that our pass rush isnt as effective bc theres no rotation between our OLBs
Originally posted by mickey49:
Originally posted by verb1der:
As much as I would love to fully write off last Sunday as a "fluke" or "off day" I can't, not until the 49ers bounce back convincingly.

Vikings executed a fairly balanced offensive plan against this defense. They have a real threat at RB and collectively found success.

The Giants are balance to me because their persistence in incorporating a running attack, even though sometimes they don't get the yards needed, they do it to remain balanced, and if all else fails, they have a QB that can throw for hundreds of yards. We don't, unfortunately.
And that's been the biggest problem with the offense so far, IMO. I was really hoping we'd see a more vertical offense that incorporated Alex connecting on deep passes to WRs. Alex's play-it-safe, dont-take-risks style is fine, BUT the defense and special teams needs to play absolutely lights out to make it work and grind out wins. Otherwise, Alex has got to start throwing deep and show defenses that the passing game is a real threat...

Yes, exactly. Alex is a world beater when our defense is giving up 14 points a game. But when our D doesn't play at an ALL TIME GREAT level, we lose. Because we can't depend on Alex to win games for us, only not lose them.
Originally posted by DirtyP:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Yeah, but we shoulda taken J.J Whatt. He's been great, and we coulda put him in for that Justin Smith guy.

Woulda made a big difference.

Seriously, the rest of the league has seen our defense for a year, and have made some adjustments on how to attack it.

I'd like to see Fangio mix it up a little more, throw in some more blitz packages, etc. He obviously knows what he's doing, tho, and adjusts the defense to address the strengths of whatever offense he's facing every week.

I hope Ian Williams gets activated this weekend, with Soap out, and gets some snaps. He looked really good in preseason.

I would be seriously worried if I saw Ian Williams on the field, call me crazy
You're crazy. (Hey, you asked.) ()

I wouldn't expect him on the field alot, but he showed enough in preseason to get a snap here and the in relief of RJF. IMHO.
Originally posted by Marmatag:
Originally posted by mickey49:
Originally posted by verb1der:
As much as I would love to fully write off last Sunday as a "fluke" or "off day" I can't, not until the 49ers bounce back convincingly.

Vikings executed a fairly balanced offensive plan against this defense. They have a real threat at RB and collectively found success.

The Giants are balance to me because their persistence in incorporating a running attack, even though sometimes they don't get the yards needed, they do it to remain balanced, and if all else fails, they have a QB that can throw for hundreds of yards. We don't, unfortunately.
And that's been the biggest problem with the offense so far, IMO. I was really hoping we'd see a more vertical offense that incorporated Alex connecting on deep passes to WRs. Alex's play-it-safe, dont-take-risks style is fine, BUT the defense and special teams needs to play absolutely lights out to make it work and grind out wins. Otherwise, Alex has got to start throwing deep and show defenses that the passing game is a real threat...

Yes, exactly. Alex is a world beater when our defense is giving up 14 points a game. But when our D doesn't play at an ALL TIME GREAT level, we lose. Because we can't depend on Alex to win games for us, only not lose them.
lol @ blaming alex for that piece of s**t game plan we had against the vikings. you're gonna fit right in here.
Originally posted by Marmatag:
Originally posted by mickey49:
Originally posted by verb1der:
As much as I would love to fully write off last Sunday as a "fluke" or "off day" I can't, not until the 49ers bounce back convincingly.

Vikings executed a fairly balanced offensive plan against this defense. They have a real threat at RB and collectively found success.

The Giants are balance to me because their persistence in incorporating a running attack, even though sometimes they don't get the yards needed, they do it to remain balanced, and if all else fails, they have a QB that can throw for hundreds of yards. We don't, unfortunately.
And that's been the biggest problem with the offense so far, IMO. I was really hoping we'd see a more vertical offense that incorporated Alex connecting on deep passes to WRs. Alex's play-it-safe, dont-take-risks style is fine, BUT the defense and special teams needs to play absolutely lights out to make it work and grind out wins. Otherwise, Alex has got to start throwing deep and show defenses that the passing game is a real threat...

Yes, exactly. Alex is a world beater when our defense is giving up 14 points a game. But when our D doesn't play at an ALL TIME GREAT level, we lose. Because we can't depend on Alex to win games for us, only not lose them.


Thats just not right bro. He has helped us out when the defense collapsed a couple of times. Philly game, Saints. he has the capability. Hes just cautious by nature so hell go to the checkdown before he throws to a "covered" reciever
It's only been 3 games......that's not a big enough sample size to determine if we regressed or not.

I do worry about J. Smith and McDonald getting worn down over time. I wish we had more of a d-line rotation going. Nothing dramatic, but maybe cut their snaps by 10-15%.