Delanie Walker (and others)

I think he had 3 dropped passes actually (one would have been a nice grab but then again, it never seems like other teams have trouble making good grabs with us so...). Yeah, this is why I wanted Fleener...if for nothing else, another "threat" to he defense. BTW: He had 6 catches for 82 yards yesterday. I wanted him and VD to own the middle of the field and RZ. But DW is usually a good, reliable weapon and is very versatile. I just don't think anyone game plans for him like they do VD.

And we're off to another bad start with dropped passes again (hit the juggs machine fellas).

Originally posted by RonMexico:
What in gods name are you talking about

this but with a ??????????????? at the end

Excellent performance - especially for te first game of the season.

The D was tough as nails and Brooks had his best game as a Niner. Aldon played very well

Boone played very well, Kilgore looked good, and so did Cox, Culliver, Bowman and others.

Delaine had a bad game, Staley played well considering he was 1 on 1 w/an excellent Mathews. I'd like to see other teams play Justin with just one player.

We thoroughly out-coached them.

Moss & Manningham played fine and will continue to produce & contribute to our success.

Last and certainly not least - Alex played very good. First game of the season he was carving them up like a Sunday roast.

Originally posted by trogdor:
DW is so under appreciated. He cleared out 2 (maybe 3) defenders with his route on Davis' touchdown catch, plus he took two defenders out of the play on a Frank Gore run when we had 15 to go deep in our own territory and allowed Frank to pick it up. Just because the guy's not catching passes and scoring points doesn't mean he isn't a critical piece of the offense.

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He also motioned to the same side as Moss and caused the defense to focus on him, leaving Moss wide open for the TD.

Originally posted by paperplanemedia:

Originally posted by trogdor:
DW is so under appreciated. He cleared out 2 (maybe 3) defenders with his route on Davis' touchdown catch, plus he took two defenders out of the play on a Frank Gore run when we had 15 to go deep in our own territory and allowed Frank to pick it up. Just because the guy's not catching passes and scoring points doesn't mean he isn't a critical piece of the offense.

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He also motioned to the same side as Moss and caused the defense to focus on him, leaving Moss wide open for the TD.

No doubt it's premature to start writing DW off, but c'mon man. The Moss TD was just a flat-out bust by the Packers' FS (#43 Jennings). Giving credit to DW is a major stretch.

Originally posted by johnnyredneat:

Originally posted by paperplanemedia:

Originally posted by trogdor:

DW is so under appreciated. He cleared out 2 (maybe 3) defenders with his route on Davis' touchdown catch, plus he took two defenders out of the play on a Frank Gore run when we had 15 to go deep in our own territory and allowed Frank to pick it up. Just because the guy's not catching passes and scoring points doesn't mean he isn't a critical piece of the offense.

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He also motioned to the same side as Moss and caused the defense to focus on him, leaving Moss wide open for the TD.

No doubt it's premature to start writing DW off, but c'mon man. The Moss TD was just a flat-out bust by the Packers' FS (#43 Jennings). Giving credit to DW is a major stretch.

That was the design of the play, sure the Packers blew it but that was the why they drew it up. I guess it's easy to miss that stuff after watching so many consecutive years of unoriginal predictable offenses.

Originally posted by trogdor:

Originally posted by johnnyredneat:

Originally posted by paperplanemedia:

Originally posted by trogdor:
DW is so under appreciated. He cleared out 2 (maybe 3) defenders with his route on Davis' touchdown catch, plus he took two defenders out of the play on a Frank Gore run when we had 15 to go deep in our own territory and allowed Frank to pick it up. Just because the guy's not catching passes and scoring points doesn't mean he isn't a critical piece of the offense.

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He also motioned to the same side as Moss and caused the defense to focus on him, leaving Moss wide open for the TD.

No doubt it's premature to start writing DW off, but c'mon man. The Moss TD was just a flat-out bust by the Packers' FS (#43 Jennings). Giving credit to DW is a major stretch.

That was the design of the play, sure the Packers blew it but that was the why they drew it up. I guess it's easy to miss that stuff after watching so many consecutive years of unoriginal predictable offenses.

No doubt, our offensive play-calling and play-design is vastly vastly improved. Just saying: credit should go where it's deserved.

If anything, it was Vernon Davis who deserves extra kudos. Lined up on the strong side (away from Moss on the weakside) it was his go route that drew off the FS, freeing the middle of the field for Moss. The FS was not supposed to leave the center of the field (i.e. he was a single-high safety) but drifted over to Vernon's side. The middle was wide open, easy pickings for Alex.

The Green Bay paper had a nice breakdown of the play: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/169126126.html

Originally posted by johnnyredneat:
No doubt it's premature to start writing DW off, but c'mon man. The Moss TD was just a flat-out bust by the Packers' FS (#43 Jennings). Giving credit to DW is a major stretch.

Watch the play again. Once DW motioned over there, the 2 guys responsible got confused and they both went to cover Delanie.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap2000000060108/Moss-scores-in-49ers-debut

Delanie Walker is a threat because he is a #2 tight end.

He gets matched up vs. weak ass OLB and he can run.... he may drop a pass or two but he is a very very very good #2 TE who can make plays....


wtf are we even talking about here?

delanie walker sucks, so overrated. If he isnt dropping passes, hes fumbling the ball.

Originally posted by Thorhawk:
delanie walker sucks, so overrated. If he isnt dropping passes, hes fumbling the ball.

THIS


thank you

This is like the Fleener thread all over again. Funny how Delanie didn't get cut during the cut down week if he is so terrible. Roman missed his versatility at the end of last year when he got injured.

Originally posted by paperplanemedia:
Watch the play again. Once DW motioned over there, the 2 guys responsible got confused and they both went to cover Delanie.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap2000000060108/Moss-scores-in-49ers-debut

Disagree. Of the two guys you're talking about, one is a safety, one is a ILB. When you say that one of them got distracted by Walker, you're implying that he was supposed to turn and run with Moss instead. No chance the coverage was designed that way.

Green Bay was playing zone, not man. And neither of those two guys appeared to be responsible for the deep middle. The strongside safety (#43 Jennings), the one opposite Moss) was supposed to cover it. Jennings just blew it. You can see in the video the Green Bay defenders both point at #43 in frustration as the play finishes. The packers players basically admitted as much:

"The play wasn't even over and Morgan Burnett appeared to already be pointing at [#43] M.D. Jennings. But after the game, Burnett wasn't naming any names when asked what happened on Randy Moss' 14-yard touchdown catch in the San Francisco 49ers' 30-22 victory over the Green Bay Packers Sunday. 'Yeah, there was miscommunication,' said Burnett, who is in his third NFL season and is the veteran of the true safety group, not counting converted cornerback Charles Woodson. 'But it's just one of those things you've just got to learn from it and you've got to grow from it. Nobody's singling nobody out.' ... After Jennings seemed to blow the coverage, he was replaced as the nickel and dime safety by rookie fourth-round pick Jerron McMillian."
http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=11261

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by HearstFan:
There is the perception that the 49ers have a feared 2 TE set with VD and Walker - but Walker seems to be very little threat in the offense and when he does have a chance to make plays he is dropping balls - 2 today? Do others share that perception? Maybe Celek should get some playing time in 2 TE sets - he was apparently kept because they like his hands.

Gore - I believed Gore had become a North-South only running, lacking burst around the edge anymore. Hmmm, he got to the edge today!

Moss got his TD, but he did seem disappointed in his role. I hope his role increases or he doesn't implode in mid season.

WTF?

i dont think he understands what a "game face" is or understands when a players in the zone.
I feel moss is happy he had a TD and we won .

Originally posted by johnnyredneat:
Disagree. Of the two guys you're talking about, one is a safety, one is a ILB. When you say that one of them got distracted by Walker, you're implying that he was supposed to turn and run with Moss instead. No chance the coverage was designed that way.

Green Bay was playing zone, not man. And neither of those two guys appeared to be responsible for the deep middle. The strongside safety (#43 Jennings), the one opposite Moss) was supposed to cover it. Jennings just blew it. You can see in the video the Green Bay defenders both point at #43 in frustration as the play finishes. The packers players basically admitted as much:

"The play wasn't even over and Morgan Burnett appeared to already be pointing at [#43] M.D. Jennings. But after the game, Burnett wasn't naming any names when asked what happened on Randy Moss' 14-yard touchdown catch in the San Francisco 49ers' 30-22 victory over the Green Bay Packers Sunday. 'Yeah, there was miscommunication,' said Burnett, who is in his third NFL season and is the veteran of the true safety group, not counting converted cornerback Charles Woodson. 'But it's just one of those things you've just got to learn from it and you've got to grow from it. Nobody's singling nobody out.' ... After Jennings seemed to blow the coverage, he was replaced as the nickel and dime safety by rookie fourth-round pick Jerron McMillian."
http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=11261

2 guys in the same zone? All I'm saying is whatever defense they called, Delanie Walker motioning to the same side Moss was on, confused them and caused this miscommunication. There is no way 2 guys should be covering the same zone.