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How good is Ahmad Brooks?

Originally posted by spizzy:
This needs to be locked lol

The thread seems to have calmed down and become more reasonable. I suspect the matter will die down until the DA decides drop/felony/misdemeanour.

By the way, I needed a couple of stitches a few years ago. Can't remember if it was 3 or 4, but it was in my forehead. If I had a bottle and three hits with it and that was the best I could do maybe I should take up piano playing .
Originally posted by GNielsen:
You want your non African-American arrests? Here's a sampling:

Hernandez is a Puerto Rican and just a few years ago, the Packers had a caucasian tight end (I forget his name) who got in trouble for statutory rape. Lance Allworth was arrested as a sex offender. Brian Bozworth had some violent anger problems and was arrested at one time. Our own right guard, Alex Boone, was arrested for public drunkeness and violent behavior. Just a few years ago Rothlesberger was arrested for rape. Julian Edelman, assault and battery outside a Boston nightclub. Our own Jeff Garcia was arrested for drunken driving. Todd Marinovich was arrested multiple times on drug charges. Rey Maualuga (there's your Somoan) was arrested on a DUI. Pat McAfee was arrested for public intoxication and disturbing the peace. Igor Olshansky was arrested for illegal drug possession. Chris Simms was a DUI arrest. Mike Vrabel was arrested for theft at an Indiana casino.

Since 2000, there have been about 640 arrests. The Vikings have the most with 40. The Rams have the least with 8. The Niners are near the bottom of the list with 12. The Seahawks are about in the middle with 20 arrests.

Perspective :-).
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by zillabeast:
f**k Ahmad Brooks. He's always been one of those questionable characters to me. Knew it was just a matter of time before he effed up again.

Next man up.

Yeah, you knew it would happen. And when the next man up doesn't cut it, you won't gun him down, will you?

Course not.

This team is so loaded with leadership that I have no problem giving the next man up plenty of chances to develop.

However Brooks is a bonehead and deserves punishment for what he did. He rightfully earned that new contract and has equally earned the right to correct himself following this experience, but he has a hell of a lot of ground to make up to make up for this disgraceful episode.
Originally posted by BobS:
Sad, those of you that say Divens should let this slide because Brooks is starter and Divens is a scrub. Your attitudes are why guys like Brooks behave the way they do, they are rarely held accountable. This 260 pound guy once punched a woman in the face who tried to talk him out of fighting someone. Dude is a low life, if he had hit Kaepernick with a bottle or wasn't a star 49er a lot of you guys would be signing a different tune.

He should let it slide because they're friends and teammates.
If you have never had a fight with your friend after you go out drinking then I don't think you're normal.
And hospital trips have happened, it's just a part of life. The next day everyone's friends again.
Police have never been called (aside from once, but those wheren't friends and we talked about that time 1 year ago from yesterday lol
Oh and by the way, no charges where ever filled on that event either, and a guy lost his eye!!!)

Lets throw this one under boys will be boys ruling and get on with our lives

Btw haven't haralson and VD fought like 3-4 times already lol
Originally posted by KegBert:
I don't know how drunk he was maybe he was blackout drunk, maybe he wasn't, either way it doesn't make what he did ok. I was just simply pointing out that if you are to the point where you are black out drunk you really don't know what your doing and have no control over your actions. Again not saying its an excuse for what he did, simply that's its very possible he was not aware of it at the time because he was so intoxicated. From your post it sounds like you have been in this state so I'm sure you understand what I'm talking about.


First of all, it's just alcohol. It's not LSD or PCP. No matter how drunk you are, you don't think you can fly, or think giant spiders are chasing you. Unless you are taking hard narcotics, you can still understand the world around you. If you drink and don't stop, you will either pass out, puke, and / or suffer brain damage or die from alcohol poisoning. As long as there is no brain damage, the brain works just fine, it just has less oxygen. Lack of oxygen to the brain does not cause you to lose control over your actions. You know if you are being violent or assaulting someone, etc., you just care less about the consequences of your actions.
"I hit him because I was drunk" -- b******t. You hit him because you didn't care about the consequences of your actions.

Second, if Brooks was anywhere near, as you say, "black out" drunk, he wouldn't have been able to stand up on his own, much less hit a target three times with a beer bottle.
I would bet that the national media, some of our fans, and some fans of rival teams care a whole lot more about this incident than either Brooks, Divens and the rest of our team at this point. I think once Divens declined to press charges the lockerroom got past this yet this lingers with us. No excuse for what he did but I think they have resolved it in their own way
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by KegBert:
I don't know how drunk he was maybe he was blackout drunk, maybe he wasn't, either way it doesn't make what he did ok. I was just simply pointing out that if you are to the point where you are black out drunk you really don't know what your doing and have no control over your actions. Again not saying its an excuse for what he did, simply that's its very possible he was not aware of it at the time because he was so intoxicated. From your post it sounds like you have been in this state so I'm sure you understand what I'm talking about.


First of all, it's just alcohol. It's not LSD or PCP. No matter how drunk you are, you don't think you can fly, or think giant spiders are chasing you. Unless you are taking hard narcotics, you can still understand the world around you. If you drink and don't stop, you will either pass out, puke, and / or suffer brain damage or die from alcohol poisoning. As long as there is no brain damage, the brain works just fine, it just has less oxygen. Lack of oxygen to the brain does not cause you to lose control over your actions. You know if you are being violent or assaulting someone, etc., you just care less about the consequences of your actions.
"I hit him because I was drunk" -- b******t. You hit him because you didn't care about the consequences of your actions.

Second, if Brooks was anywhere near, as you say, "black out" drunk, he wouldn't have been able to stand up on his own, much less hit a target three times with a beer bottle.

Alcohol can enhance your emotion when drunk. So if Brooks is susceptible to anger, he may still retained enough motor skills to bashed Divens with a bottle, but his anger trumps all rational behavior. Different people have different reaction to alcohol. They get piss drunk and still have the ability to beat the hell out of their wife and kids.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Jul 5, 2013 at 6:51 AM ]
Probably the best part of this entire incident that nobody is talking about is remorse, support and drive. You can damn well bet Harbaugh/Fangio are going to use this to light a FIRE under Brooks. Who knows what's written into his contract. He already has competition with a healthy character-guy in Haralson back (plus Cam Johnson) and now Lemonier added. He is going to have to grow up even more, take leadership and responsibility and then take that remorse (see, Smith Aldon last year) out on the opponent. And you can also bet this coaching staff will set firm limits with him, keep him on a shorter leash (again, see Smith, Aldon) and get him the support he needs. Who knows, perhaps all this becomes a blessing in disguise. Maybe even for Lamar Divens as well.

PS: I wonder if Brooks was originally assigned to hang out with the youngsters as a model (and it went sour). And how odd this story surfaces (despite it happening over a month ago) during the lowest time of Niner news.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jul 5, 2013 at 9:01 AM ]
Brooks vs. Hernandez

Street fight (no beer bottles or guns)

Who wins?
Well, this just keeps getting better. Looks like Brooks was out with the rookies as a chaperone or something, showing them 49er way. Then goes nonlinear on Divens forehead. Well, as I have posted earlier, a private or public statement is required to coaches, and the 3 players involved it seems to me. That's the start. Anger management and alcohol awareness might not be bad voluntary choices by Brooks either. He can afford it. Get real about this, Brooksie. Don't stonewall.
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Originally posted by niners94:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Not expecting anything more than a fine and some community service.

Not with Goodell as the commissioner. He's getting suspended if charged.
do you think the nfl is telling the niners behind closed doors to take some action on brooks or else we will? and if the nfl does it would be more severe. That is why the niners should get out on this, announce a suspension, put the thing behind them and move on.. This is all based upon the fact he will not get charged by the law.
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when we play on the road vs the seahawks, if he is playing,, they will throw beer bottles at him
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
He's good enough on the field to have the team pulled some political strings so that the DA decided to not prosecute his drunken incident. That's how I see it.



Do people realize how hard it is to get a conviction when the victims want to drop charges and wont testify? It would be a waste of taxpayers money. The DA picks cases that they feel the prosecution can win, they dont go after every single case. Talk to anyone who has worked as a prosecutor for the government, they pick and choose their cases based on the severity of the crime, evidence obtained and witnesses they can put on the stand.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Originally posted by Ballistic:
clearly most of the NFL is 60%+ african-american... but why aren't the white players getting in trouble?

You want your non African-American arrests? Here's a sampling:

Hernandez is a Puerto Rican and just a few years ago, the Packers had a caucasian tight end (I forget his name) who got in trouble for statutory rape. Lance Allworth was arrested as a sex offender. Brian Bozworth had some violent anger problems and was arrested at one time. Our own right guard, Alex Boone, was arrested for public drunkeness and violent behavior. Just a few years ago Rothlesberger was arrested for rape. Julian Edelman, assault and battery outside a Boston nightclub. Our own Jeff Garcia was arrested for drunken driving. Todd Marinovich was arrested multiple times on drug charges. Rey Maualuga (there's your Somoan) was arrested on a DUI. Pat McAfee was arrested for public intoxication and disturbing the peace. Igor Olshansky was arrested for illegal drug possession. Chris Simms was a DUI arrest. Mike Vrabel was arrested for theft at an Indiana casino.

Since 2000, there have been about 640 arrests. The Vikings have the most with 40. The Rams have the least with 8. The Niners are near the bottom of the list with 12. The Seahawks are about in the middle with 20 arrests.
ehhhhhh I'm talking about more recent history. Did you really bring up Mark Chmura? lol

Let's exclude Aaron Hernandez here. Since the Super Bowl on February 3, there have been a total of 30 arrests of current or former NFL players, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune... How many of them were Caucasians? Just a thought
Originally posted by Ballistic:
ehhhhhh I'm talking about more recent history. Did you really bring up Mark Chmura? lol

Let's exclude Aaron Hernandez here. Since the Super Bowl on February 3, there have been a total of 30 arrests of current or former NFL players, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune... How many of them were Caucasians? Just a thought

why is this about race?

less than 2% of nfl players are being arrested....plenty are doing a lot of good work in the community

maybe you shouldn't be such a media whore and take a step back and stop focusing on the negatives and see there is a lot of positive out there.

the media doesn't see ratings by reporting that
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