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The Aldon Smith thread

The crap we're going to have to put up with . . .

Originally posted by THEB:
Originally posted by DelCed2486:
He said "bomb", that's what. The airport is not the place to be a smart-a**, and TSA agents are not going to try and discern context or intent. If they hear the word, you're not making your flight and you will wear handcuffs.

Saying a word isnt illegal. The word Bomb isnt any more illegal than the word f**k or f*ggot. Its a word and you cannot get arrested for a word. Freedom of speech bro.

Oh well look here. The word f**k and f*ggot are censored...but the word Bomb isnt...Hmmmmm

Freedom of Speech is not what the First Amendment actually says.

"Perhaps more than any other part of the Constitution, the First Amendment right of "free speech" gets cited by Americans.

Wrongly so.

From an eighth-grader suspended for recording a song about why his teacher should be dead to the gay community members whose parade has been rerouted, the chorus sounds the same: "My right to free speech is being violated."

The problem with that is: The Constitution doesn't guarantee you "free speech."

Despite what many seem to believe, the "freedom of speech" guarantee in the Constitution doesn't give you the right to say anything you want, anywhere you want.

The First Amendment makes it unconstitutional for government to suppress speech (and "expression" as it has come to include). That's it.

There are numerous exceptions to that, well beyond just the popular citation of the "yelling fire in a crowded theater" kind of speech that is prohibited. Under the Constitution, the courts allow for many types of dangerous speech to be regulated or banned by law.

Child pornography, defamation and inciting crimes are just a few examples of speech that has been determined to be illegal under the U.S. Constitution."

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20111017/news/710169875/
  • Giedi
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Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
So with any luck the union and the lawyers can save us from losing the criminals on our team. I feel soo much better.

How far gone do you have to be like Aldon to have DUI's and weapons charges, go to rehab and still think it's ok to mess round with airport security and use the word bomb? This is Aldon trying to be on his best behavior because he is already on his 3rd or 4th chance. Did he attend special ed classes?

Two rules that clash in our American society. "He who has the gold, makes the rules." and "He who has the guns, makes the rules." In Aldon's case, he has gold and this justice system favors those who have either the gold or the guns. (guns being guys like the NSA and folks who work in the name of *National Security.*)

The NFL PA protects the players - that's by intentional design, that's good and that's not so good in certain circumstances. But in Aldon's case, it favors the 49ers. As for Aldon himself, change is itself hard. Everybody knows if you lose weight, you generally are healthier - but practically everybody in America is obese to some extent. I'm not excusing Aldon, but change is hard. Another saying is "you can take the boy out of the ghetto, but can you take the ghetto out of the boy?"
Originally posted by THEB:
Originally posted by DelCed2486:
He said "bomb", that's what. The airport is not the place to be a smart-a**, and TSA agents are not going to try and discern context or intent. If they hear the word, you're not making your flight and you will wear handcuffs.

Saying a word isnt illegal. The word Bomb isnt any more illegal than the word f**k or f*ggot. Its a word and you cannot get arrested for a word. Freedom of speech bro.

Oh well look here. The word f**k and f*ggot are censored...but the word Bomb isnt...Hmmmmm


Well, bro, I'm sure you're a Constitutional scholar and all, but believe or not there are limits to freedom of speech. And did I say the word "bomb" is illegal per se? But anyway, put your money where you mouth is and run down to your nearest airport...you don't need to wait in the security line or even buy a ticket...just walk into the terminal and say something about a "bomb" to any airport/airline employee you choose, then see what happens.
Many thanks to captveg ^^^^^^ for explaining the First Amendment and its exceptions. I don't know how many times I've tried to explain this to people, but they seem to keep expanding the idea into all sorts of areas where it simply doesn't exist.
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Originally posted by captveg:
Freedom of Speech is not what the First Amendment actually says.

"Perhaps more than any other part of the Constitution, the First Amendment right of "free speech" gets cited by Americans.

Wrongly so.

From an eighth-grader suspended for recording a song about why his teacher should be dead to the gay community members whose parade has been rerouted, the chorus sounds the same: "My right to free speech is being violated."

The problem with that is: The Constitution doesn't guarantee you "free speech."

Despite what many seem to believe, the "freedom of speech" guarantee in the Constitution doesn't give you the right to say anything you want, anywhere you want.

The First Amendment makes it unconstitutional for government to suppress speech (and "expression" as it has come to include). That's it.

There are numerous exceptions to that, well beyond just the popular citation of the "yelling fire in a crowded theater" kind of speech that is prohibited. Under the Constitution, the courts allow for many types of dangerous speech to be regulated or banned by law.

Child pornography, defamation and inciting crimes are just a few examples of speech that has been determined to be illegal under the U.S. Constitution."

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20111017/news/710169875/

I'll just add, that the constitution itself doesn't really regulate speech, it's main purpose is to regulate government.
[ Edited by Giedi on Apr 14, 2014 at 1:30 PM ]
I still hope we pick up that fifth year option.
Originally posted by Giedi:
I'll just add, that the constitution itself doesn't really regulate speech, it's main purpose is to regulate government.

back at ya
As an LEO, my defense for him would be that he said, "What if I had a bomb?" His word vs. someone else's.
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Originally posted by Giedi:
I'll just add, that the constitution itself doesn't really regulate speech, it's main purpose is to regulate government.

WINNAH!

Seriously, that is a central point that many have never learned.

As to Aldon Smith, the sensitivity to the potential of bomb threats goes all the way back BEFORE 9/11 and TSA. There is no defense for him to use that word in an airport. It isn't like he has never been in an airport before. There are signs warning that any mention of "bombs" will be taken very seriously. He is ignorant to have violated that law.
Also, the first amendment prevents the govt from being able to punish people for speaking against it pubically (something the English monarchy was very good at, and its one of the reason why the amendment exists in the first place).

It also doesn't grant you the right to say whatever you want, there are repurcussions for your actions (like getting arrested for saying you have a bomb in an airport).
[ Edited by linkboy on Apr 14, 2014 at 1:42 PM ]
Originally posted by Hopper:
I still hope we pick up that fifth year option.

Me too.

Hes a freak, just needs to learn humility.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
So with any luck the union and the lawyers can save us from losing the criminals on our team. I feel soo much better.

How far gone do you have to be like Aldon to have DUI's and weapons charges, go to rehab and still think it's ok to mess round with airport security and use the word bomb? This is Aldon trying to be on his best behavior because he is already on his 3rd or 4th chance. Did he attend special ed classes?

Two rules that clash in our American society. "He who has the gold, makes the rules." and "He who has the guns, makes the rules." In Aldon's case, he has gold and this justice system favors those who have either the gold or the guns. (guns being guys like the NSA and folks who work in the name of *National Security.*)

The NFL PA protects the players - that's by intentional design, that's good and that's not so good in certain circumstances. But in Aldon's case, it favors the 49ers. As for Aldon himself, change is itself hard. Everybody knows if you lose weight, you generally are healthier - but practically everybody in America is obese to some extent. I'm not excusing Aldon, but change is hard. Another saying is "you can take the boy out of the ghetto, but can you take the ghetto out of the boy?"

It's hard to lose weight because the healthiest food is very costly and people have to work twice as hard for half as much and it leaves very little time and energy left for excercise. Add to that the stress of very difficult economic times and you get the picture.

Ask the average person in the ghetto if they could give up guns and drugs for $10 million a year and I think most could do it. Hell, in his shoes I would give up sex for $10 million a year. 8 years and $80 Million dollars later you could make up for lost time with 2 new babes every nite for the rest of your life while cruiing around on your yacht or staying home in your mansion. How difficult can it be to not be a horses ass while collecting your Millions?

Maybe he needs a course of scared straight. We could lock him up in the cell next to Aaron Hernandez of the Pats and let him contemplate what happens when you piss your life away after having won the life Lottery.
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
The crap we're going to have to put up with . . .


The Romeo Must Die movie says Treasure Island though!
Originally posted by Black24Razor:
As an LEO, my defense for him would be that he said, "What if I had a bomb?" His word vs. someone else's.

It comes down to he said/she said basically, why I don't see this case going any further. What hurts the case the most is that TSA let him walk through into the secured area's, he wasn't actually arrested until he was at his gate waiting for a plane. So whatever he said wasn't severe enough to justify him being taken into custody AT that moment.