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The Official Aldon Smith Thread *****ALDON TAKING LEADERSHIP ROLE AT PRACTICE********

Originally posted by DeUh:
Originally posted by Disp:
Yeah, but it could take that tree years to recover.

Thiiiis. Why is no one talking about the tree !

#hopehehasafastrecovery


Man, looking at those burn/skid marks, he must have been absolutely HAMMERED! He obviously was up against the tree trying to gun it for quite some time...and making a hell of a lot of noise doing it. Look at the 3 seperate tracks too...it looked like he peeled out once, hit the tree, backed up and tried again and on a third attempt, was totally up against the tree and flooring it for a while. So glad he go checked in to rehab. We may have saved this dude's life!
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Originally posted by WINiner:
I believe Aldon has a very good case to present to Goodell, especially if he has any kind of proof that he may have gotten a little lippy with the TSA but did in no way say bomb prior to them saying the word bomb.


Really what it comes down to is a bad dui, and being ignorant about the laws in the state of CA requiring gun modifications that are not required in AZ where he purchased the weapons legally.

I agree that Aldon has a good case for no or a minimum suspension, but let's be real about the guns.

If you buy a gun, if you own a gun, you are responsible for knowing the laws governing the guns you own.
This is just simple, and in my estimation, irrefutable logic.

If Aldon wants to get a minimum suspension, he has to openly and forthrightly acknowledge that he is responsible for the violations of the gun laws--no excuses, no verbal garbage.

Aldon is supposed to meet Goodell on the 8th right? The ruling better not drag on much after that. Just make the f**king decision already so we can plan accordingly.
No need to dramatize what Aldon did. That's been done enough. He has made horrible decisions. The most dangerous being driving drunk IMO. Yet still he has never been a violent offender. He didn't buy those guns to be a thug or a banger. He bought them because he was a young guy with money and he thought it would be cool to own em because he could. His crime is not knowing to modify them by law. His responsibility and he failed. Still no need to cook him on a first offense. The DUI was more serious and he sought treatment on his own. LAX is dead. I initially thought 2 to 4 games this spring but after LAX died and his sentencing has concluded I think he gets 1 game most likely because he has served 5 weeks already. I see a max of two games. If he gets mores so be it but Aldon was young and this occurred TWO YEARS AGO! I think Aldon is not some evil guy but was just immature and stupid. He seems to have grown aplenty from his ordeals
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Originally posted by Pillbusta:
No need to dramatize what Aldon did. That's been done enough. He has made horrible decisions. The most dangerous being driving drunk IMO. Yet still he has never been a violent offender. He didn't buy those guns to be a thug or a banger. He bought them because he was a young guy with money and he thought it would be cool to own em because he could. His crime is not knowing to modify them by law. His responsibility and he failed. Still no need to cook him on a first offense. The DUI was more serious and he sought treatment on his own. LAX is dead. I initially thought 2 to 4 games this spring but after LAX died and his sentencing has concluded I think he gets 1 game most likely because he has served 5 weeks already. I see a max of two games. If he gets mores so be it but Aldon was young and this occurred TWO YEARS AGO! I think Aldon is not some evil guy but was just immature and stupid. He seems to have grown aplenty from his ordeals

No drama. You are right he made horrible decisions. He did what he did.

But, dang come on. Be real.

What offense exactly are you referring to when you say for his first offense.

Aldon has been convicted of five misdemeanors, not one.

His reasons for buying the guns are both irrelevant to the charges and unknown to us.

The guns were illegal in California. The fact that the California gun laws are stupid makes no difference.

I also do not think that he should be suspended, but I am absolutely unwilling to pretend that he did not make serious mistakes.

Every player in the league knows, or has no reason for not knowing, what the consequences of their actions might be.

Aldon screwed up. He has taken the steps required to eliminate his problems and the courts have imposed legal remedies that reinforce his own actions.

At the end of the day, the time that he lost in his rehab and the sentence from the courts is more than sufficient.

At this point, I do not think a suspension would service any useful purpose.

But, there are no excuses for the decisions that he made.
[ Edited by buck on Aug 7, 2014 at 2:48 AM ]
Originally posted by buck:
No drama. You are right he made horrible decisions. He did what he did.

But, dang come on. Be real.

What offense exactly are you referring to when you say for his first offense.

Aldon has been convicted of five misdemeanors, not one.

His reasons for buying the guns are both irrelevant to the charges and unknown to us.

The guns were illegal in California. The fact that the California gun laws are stupid makes no difference.

I also do not think that he should be suspended, but I am absolutely unwilling to pretend that he did not make serious mistakes.

Every player in the league knows, or has no reason for not knowing, what the consequences of their actions might be.

Aldon screwed up. He has taken the steps required to eliminate his problems and the courts have imposed legal remedies that reinforce his own actions.

At the end of the day, the time that he lost in his rehab and the sentence from the courts is more than sufficient.

At this point, I do not think a suspension would service any useful purpose.

But, there are no excuses for the decisions that he made.

I didn't make excuses but what I said is that he did a lot of stupid ish and that he isn't some violent evil criminal with bad intentions. Five misdemeanors look bad but when you consider that 3 of them happened in one purchase of guns that were transported and that he was an alcoholic leading to his DUI then you can see he was more immature than criminally intended. It is easy to count up the charges but when and why did they occur is more important and this is why the judge ruled as he did. Its easy for us to read clippings and released data but when someone actually has the time to review and assess everything you can see the mistakes and bad decisions for what they were. Dude bought guns and didn't modify them and he was an alcoholic that got behind the wheel. He has since made efforts to reform his lifestyle and the public at large should welcome this and give him a fair chance. Goodell should too
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
No need to dramatize what Aldon did. That's been done enough. He has made horrible decisions. The most dangerous being driving drunk IMO. Yet still he has never been a violent offender. He didn't buy those guns to be a thug or a banger. He bought them because he was a young guy with money and he thought it would be cool to own em because he could. His crime is not knowing to modify them by law. His responsibility and he failed. Still no need to cook him on a first offense. The DUI was more serious and he sought treatment on his own. LAX is dead. I initially thought 2 to 4 games this spring but after LAX died and his sentencing has concluded I think he gets 1 game most likely because he has served 5 weeks already. I see a max of two games. If he gets mores so be it but Aldon was young and this occurred TWO YEARS AGO! I think Aldon is not some evil guy but was just immature and stupid. He seems to have grown aplenty from his ordeals

No drama. You are right he made horrible decisions. He did what he did.

But, dang come on. Be real.

What offense exactly are you referring to when you say for his first offense.

Aldon has been convicted of five misdemeanors, not one.

His reasons for buying the guns are both irrelevant to the charges and unknown to us.

The guns were illegal in California. The fact that the California gun laws are stupid makes no difference.

I also do not think that he should be suspended, but I am absolutely unwilling to pretend that he did not make serious mistakes.

Every player in the league knows, or has no reason for not knowing, what the consequences of their actions might be.

Aldon screwed up. He has taken the steps required to eliminate his problems and the courts have imposed legal remedies that reinforce his own actions.

At the end of the day, the time that he lost in his rehab and the sentence from the courts is more than sufficient.

At this point, I do not think a suspension would service any useful purpose.

But, there are no excuses for the decisions that he made.

This...it isnt just a matter of making modifications he brought them into the state illegally. That is really why he was arrested, it isnt just about how California would have made him alter the weapons. Beleive me he got lucky, if it was New York state he would be sitting in prison right now. You have to observe state laws in relation to fire arms that includes bringing them into the state through the proper channels. Between that and the DUI I think he certainly earned his troubles with the law. With the NFL on the other hand it is such a grey area...they have let people with DUI's walk before, The LAX thing ended up with no charges and the gun deal ended in probation....with his self induced exile last year I dont think he should be given more games given how they have handled things in the past. The problem is the NFL and Goodell specifically seem to like to throw the book at certain guys to make examples and now they have their chest all puffed up from the media backlash in how they soft played Ray Rice.
2 games
I think the thing that is gonna get him suspended is that he's a repeat offender. Roger mentioned how this was Rice's 1st and only incident. Thus why he got less time than Big Ben b/c he had been involved in 2 incidents. Aldon has been arrested 4 times. That's why this isn't going to compare to Rice's punishment. It's not about the severity of the crime to Roger but how many times you've done anything wrong and how you have gone about fixing your issues. Aldon has made good strides to remedying his problems. But I just don't think in Roger's eyes that it is enough. And let's be honest if this was a Cowboy we all would be calling for him to be suspended. I just hope its 4 games. Tomorrow is a big day
[ Edited by lamontb on Aug 7, 2014 at 6:55 AM ]
Originally posted by lamontb:
I think the thing that is gonna get him suspended is that he's a repeat offender. Roger mentioned how this was Rice's 1st and only incident. Thus why he got less time than Big Ben b/c he had been involved in 2 incidents. Aldon has been arrested 4 times. That's why this isn't going to compare to Rice's punishment. It's not about the severity of the crime to Roger but how many times you've done anything wrong and how you have gone about fixing your issues. Aldon has made good strides to remedying his problems. But I just don't think in Roger's eyes that it is enough. And let's be honest if this was a Cowboy we all would be calling for him to be suspended. I just hope its 4 games. Tomorrow is a big day

The guy has missed 5 games already...voluntarily! I don't see why he needs to miss more than 2 more games
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
The guy has missed 5 games already...voluntarily! I don't see why he needs to miss more than 2 more games

Problem is the punishments seem to be very haphazard and random. I think Goodell considers how the league will look, especially after the PR nightmare that was Rice.
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by lamontb:
I think the thing that is gonna get him suspended is that he's a repeat offender. Roger mentioned how this was Rice's 1st and only incident. Thus why he got less time than Big Ben b/c he had been involved in 2 incidents. Aldon has been arrested 4 times. That's why this isn't going to compare to Rice's punishment. It's not about the severity of the crime to Roger but how many times you've done anything wrong and how you have gone about fixing your issues. Aldon has made good strides to remedying his problems. But I just don't think in Roger's eyes that it is enough. And let's be honest if this was a Cowboy we all would be calling for him to be suspended. I just hope its 4 games. Tomorrow is a big day

The guy has missed 5 games already...voluntarily! I don't see why he needs to miss more than 2 more games

I agree I'm just not sure Roger will. Hopefully Aldon has a great interview and convinces Roger to not drop the Hammer. I think it could go either way. I think it will be for than reduced down to 2.
Originally posted by buck:
I agree that Aldon has a good case for no or a minimum suspension, but let's be real about the guns.

If you buy a gun, if you own a gun, you are responsible for knowing the laws governing the guns you own.
This is just simple, and in my estimation, irrefutable logic.

If Aldon wants to get a minimum suspension, he has to openly and forthrightly acknowledge that he is responsible for the violations of the gun laws--no excuses, no verbal garbage.


Disagree. Technically, jay walking is breaking the law in a lot of states. So just because the police decide to arrest you for it does that mean you owe the public an apology?

I admit that I was all up in arms when the story about Aldon "Rambo" Smith hit the news, but once I learned the facts, it really wasn't that big of a deal. Yes, he was in the wrong. No two ways about that. However, it's very likely that it was just an honest mistake. I think that sometimes, people hear the word "felony" and assume the worse.

He's a football player. One who very likely was only able to attend college because of his athletic abilities. Call it an excuse if you want, but I don't see very many of these guys checking the county code website whenever they decide to move. Considering what we know about Aldon (that he is not the brightest bulb in the pack), it's very likely that he honestly just did not know.

Now, we're these illegal guns or arms modified in a manner that anyone would know better (like silencers), then I'd be the first one saying that he deserves to be severely punished. And I do feel that way about his DD transgression.

The guns though? No biggie.
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Originally posted by baltien:
Disagree. Technically, jay walking is breaking the law in a lot of states.


Sure wish that Aldon had been busted for jaywalking.

But, technically he wasn't

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Originally posted by SFL49ER:
2 games

I say 6 games.