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LaMichael James was a Niner (CUT!)

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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Is it helping? Has the passing game improved much? We couldn't use a shifty change of pace back?

Im worried about this year not next year.

Four games, Bro.

Four.

WAY too early.

we will have this same conversation in a month

Meeting is adjourned. Meet back here in 1 month to discuss the progress of your arguments.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
The coaching staff is high on Dobbs and Tukuafu. Dobbs doubles as a TE and Tukuafu at FB. The team had a plan for them. There is a reason no d-lineman were drafted this year.

Injuries took our depth at OLB. Hindsight is 20/20. At the time we had Haralson and Fleming as the projected backups, which would have been quality depth.

Our depth is currently strong at RB & WR, but we have some aging players there. The team saw this and were looking at the future with the seletions of Jenkins and James. Gore will be 30 next season and in the last year of his deal. Jacobs is a FA. Moss will be 36 and a FA. Both Jenkins and James will be important parts of the future.

Gore isnt a FA until 2015. Neither Dobbs or Tukuafu are the replacements for Smith. If we dont trust these guys to give RayMac or Smith an occasional breather it tells me we havent found rotational starters.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
The coaching staff is high on Dobbs and Tukuafu. Dobbs doubles as a TE and Tukuafu at FB. The team had a plan for them. There is a reason no d-lineman were drafted this year.

Injuries took our depth at OLB. Hindsight is 20/20. At the time we had Haralson and Fleming as the projected backups, which would have been quality depth.

Our depth is currently strong at RB & WR, but we have some aging players there. The team saw this and were looking at the future with the seletions of Jenkins and James. Gore will be 30 next season and in the last year of his deal. Jacobs is a FA. Moss will be 36 and a FA. Both Jenkins and James will be important parts of the future.

Gore isnt a FA until 2015. Neither Dobbs or Tukuafu are the replacements for Smith. If we dont trust these guys to give RayMac or Smith an occasional breather it tells me we havent found rotational starters.

My mistake, I thought Gore was a FA in 2014. As for Dobbs and Tukuafu not breaking into the d-line rotation, how do we know the coaching staff wants a rotation? Perhaps they want their starters to play all 3 downs for the duration of the game. Smith and McDonald are 2 of the best in the business. It's hard to take them off the field. A rotation would mean taking some meaningful snaps away from them.
[ Edited by SofaKing on Oct 4, 2012 at 4:45 PM ]
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
The coaching staff is high on Dobbs and Tukuafu. Dobbs doubles as a TE and Tukuafu at FB. The team had a plan for them. There is a reason no d-lineman were drafted this year.

Injuries took our depth at OLB. Hindsight is 20/20. At the time we had Haralson and Fleming as the projected backups, which would have been quality depth.

Our depth is currently strong at RB & WR, but we have some aging players there. The team saw this and were looking at the future with the seletions of Jenkins and James. Gore will be 30 next season and in the last year of his deal. Jacobs is a FA. Moss will be 36 and a FA. Both Jenkins and James will be important parts of the future.

Gore isnt a FA until 2015. Neither Dobbs or Tukuafu are the replacements for Smith. If we dont trust these guys to give RayMac or Smith an occasional breather it tells me we havent found rotational starters.

My mistake, I thought Gore was a FA in 2014. As for Dobbs and Tukuafu not breaking into the d-line rotation, how do we know the coaching staff wants a rotation? Perhaps they want their starters to play all 3 downs for the duration of the game. Smith and McDonald are 2 of the best in the business. It's hard to take them off the field. A rotation would mean taking some meaningful snaps away from them.
In games when the guys are gassed an occasional rest isn't bad. The Minnesota game was a prime example. Aldon and Justin were dragging because they never came off the field. The only way to keep constant pressure is having guys who can do it.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
The coaching staff is high on Dobbs and Tukuafu. Dobbs doubles as a TE and Tukuafu at FB. The team had a plan for them. There is a reason no d-lineman were drafted this year.

Injuries took our depth at OLB. Hindsight is 20/20. At the time we had Haralson and Fleming as the projected backups, which would have been quality depth.

Our depth is currently strong at RB & WR, but we have some aging players there. The team saw this and were looking at the future with the seletions of Jenkins and James. Gore will be 30 next season and in the last year of his deal. Jacobs is a FA. Moss will be 36 and a FA. Both Jenkins and James will be important parts of the future.

Gore isnt a FA until 2015. Neither Dobbs or Tukuafu are the replacements for Smith. If we dont trust these guys to give RayMac or Smith an occasional breather it tells me we havent found rotational starters.

My mistake, I thought Gore was a FA in 2014. As for Dobbs and Tukuafu not breaking into the d-line rotation, how do we know the coaching staff wants a rotation? Perhaps they want their starters to play all 3 downs for the duration of the game. Smith and McDonald are 2 of the best in the business. It's hard to take them off the field. A rotation would mean taking some meaningful snaps away from them.
In games when the guys are gassed an occasional rest isn't bad. The Minnesota game was a prime example. Aldon and Justin were dragging because they never came off the field. The only way to keep constant pressure is having guys who can do it.

I agree with you on that. I'm just curious as to why we don't have one. Is it because the backups are inadequate, or is it because a rotation isn't part of the scheme? The media has asked Harbaugh and Fangio about this and they haven't really given a definitive answer.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
The coaching staff is high on Dobbs and Tukuafu. Dobbs doubles as a TE and Tukuafu at FB. The team had a plan for them. There is a reason no d-lineman were drafted this year.

Injuries took our depth at OLB. Hindsight is 20/20. At the time we had Haralson and Fleming as the projected backups, which would have been quality depth.

Our depth is currently strong at RB & WR, but we have some aging players there. The team saw this and were looking at the future with the seletions of Jenkins and James. Gore will be 30 next season and in the last year of his deal. Jacobs is a FA. Moss will be 36 and a FA. Both Jenkins and James will be important parts of the future.

Gore isnt a FA until 2015. Neither Dobbs or Tukuafu are the replacements for Smith. If we dont trust these guys to give RayMac or Smith an occasional breather it tells me we havent found rotational starters.

My mistake, I thought Gore was a FA in 2014. As for Dobbs and Tukuafu not breaking into the d-line rotation, how do we know the coaching staff wants a rotation? Perhaps they want their starters to play all 3 downs for the duration of the game. Smith and McDonald are 2 of the best in the business. It's hard to take them off the field. A rotation would mean taking some meaningful snaps away from them.
In games when the guys are gassed an occasional rest isn't bad. The Minnesota game was a prime example. Aldon and Justin were dragging because they never came off the field. The only way to keep constant pressure is having guys who can do it.

I agree with you on that. I'm just curious as to why we don't have one. Is it because the backups are inadequate, or is it because a rotation isn't part of the scheme? The media has asked Harbaugh and Fangio about this and they haven't really given a definitive answer.
I would bet money on lack of talent. Neither has the ability to step into a starting role even in the short term. Only RJF has that ability and will be a FA along with Ice at the end of the year. So the primary backup at NT and DE will be a starter....think the Boone situation. Again I would bet we hit DE, NT, and OLB this year and the picks will be early. We like the current backups because we can use them at TE-FB-DL but its a way to save more spots on the roster. Its a smart idea but doesn't offer great potential at their primary spots. Think about it, they have roster spots because we can use them in other aspects, not because of their ability to play their first position well.
Originally posted by jreff22:
He would be 3rd string-Gore, Hunter, James, Dixon.

Where does Jacobs fit in then? I would much rather see a healthy Jacobs on the field than James at this point
Originally posted by DirtyP:
Originally posted by jreff22:
He would be 3rd string-Gore, Hunter, James, Dixon.

Where does Jacobs fit in then? I would much rather see a healthy Jacobs on the field than James at this point
talking about the previous 4 weeks
Originally posted by jreff22:
talking about the previous 4 weeks

I'd have to guess that the reason we haven't seen him is because we are running the ball just fine without him and he can't play on the coverage units. Adding a rusher you don't need at the expense of one of your core special teams players is a good way to weaken a roster.
Originally posted by jreff22:
I would bet money on lack of talent. Neither has the ability to step into a starting role even in the short term. Only RJF has that ability and will be a FA along with Ice at the end of the year. So the primary backup at NT and DE will be a starter....think the Boone situation. Again I would bet we hit DE, NT, and OLB this year and the picks will be early. We like the current backups because we can use them at TE-FB-DL but its a way to save more spots on the roster. Its a smart idea but doesn't offer great potential at their primary spots. Think about it, they have roster spots because we can use them in other aspects, not because of their ability to play their first position well.

We have 2 blue chip 34 defensive ends who never get tired. If other teams in the NFL had this luxury they wouldn't be trying to rotate backups onto the field.
Originally posted by DirtyP:
Originally posted by jreff22:
talking about the previous 4 weeks

I'd have to guess that the reason we haven't seen him is because we are running the ball just fine without him and he can't play on the coverage units. Adding a rusher you don't need at the expense of one of your core special teams players is a good way to weaken a roster.

well we will be doing that with Jacobs back anyways......

would be nice to give the kid a "tryout" to get some tape and see what he needs to work on and if he is a viable weapon now
Originally posted by DirtyP:
Originally posted by jreff22:
I would bet money on lack of talent. Neither has the ability to step into a starting role even in the short term. Only RJF has that ability and will be a FA along with Ice at the end of the year. So the primary backup at NT and DE will be a starter....think the Boone situation. Again I would bet we hit DE, NT, and OLB this year and the picks will be early. We like the current backups because we can use them at TE-FB-DL but its a way to save more spots on the roster. Its a smart idea but doesn't offer great potential at their primary spots. Think about it, they have roster spots because we can use them in other aspects, not because of their ability to play their first position well.

We have 2 blue chip 34 defensive ends who never get tired. If other teams in the NFL had this luxury they wouldn't be trying to rotate backups onto the field.

Disagree.

During the Minny game they had well over 70 snaps. They were tired and it showed. During NY they were around 50ish snaps.....big difference.

Some numbers:
70 snaps over 16 games = 1120
60 snaps over 16 games = 960
50 snaps over 16 games = 800

the difference between 70 and 50 is 320 snaps...that would be an additional 4.5 games at 70 snaps.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Disagree.

During the Minny game they had well over 70 snaps. They were tired and it showed. During NY they were around 50ish snaps.....big difference.

Some numbers:
70 snaps over 16 games = 1120
60 snaps over 16 games = 960
50 snaps over 16 games = 800

the difference between 70 and 50 is 320 snaps...that would be an additional 4.5 games at 70 snaps.

I'm not sure what defense is regularly on the field for 70 snaps a game but its certainly not the 49ers even if it happens once in a while. Everyone looked off during the Minnesota game from opening kickoff to the final whistle. That was a anomaly. I don't think rotating in backup defensive lineman would have changed the outcome of that game.
[ Edited by DirtyP on Oct 6, 2012 at 7:43 PM ]
Originally posted by DirtyP:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Disagree.

During the Minny game they had well over 70 snaps. They were tired and it showed. During NY they were around 50ish snaps.....big difference.

Some numbers:
70 snaps over 16 games = 1120
60 snaps over 16 games = 960
50 snaps over 16 games = 800

the difference between 70 and 50 is 320 snaps...that would be an additional 4.5 games at 70 snaps.

I'm not sure what defense is regularly on the field for 70 snaps a game but its certainly not the 49ers even if it happens once in a while. Everyone looked off during the Minnesota game from opening kickoff to the final whistle. That was a anomaly. I don't think rotating in backup defensive lineman would have changed the outcome of that game.
Having the ability to rotate when games are hard is a major asset. It would be nice to sub a player out without worrying that something bad will happen.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Having the ability to rotate when games are hard is a major asset. It would be nice to sub a player out without worrying that something bad will happen.

Ricky Jean is an excellent backup and can sub in at any position at any time and they choose to leave our two starters in