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LaMichael James was a Niner (CUT!)

  • Wodwo
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by sspiker:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Bench Celek or Dobbs.

The kid hasn't surpassed Dixon for gods sake

Dixon is activated for games because he plays on ST. He's like Colin Jones last year. Look at MM's snap counts-- Dixon played more ST snaps than any other player. Dixon never sees the field during meaningful situations.
And? We drafted Jenkins and James on the lack of speed argument. Moving the ball better on offense is still a priority and when both top picks aren't even active something is wrong IMO. And the "we are just that deep" argument is retarded. We had Ginn and Jacobs out for weeks and neither guy saw the field. We aren't that deep, they just aren't that good right now.

Umm...

245 yards rushing with 9 different players.

Not retarded.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by sspiker:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Bench Celek or Dobbs.

The kid hasn't surpassed Dixon for gods sake

Dixon is activated for games because he plays on ST. He's like Colin Jones last year. Look at MM's snap counts-- Dixon played more ST snaps than any other player. Dixon never sees the field during meaningful situations.
And? We drafted Jenkins and James on the lack of speed argument. Moving the ball better on offense is still a priority and when both top picks aren't even active something is wrong IMO. And the "we are just that deep" argument is retarded. We had Ginn and Jacobs out for weeks and neither guy saw the field. We aren't that deep, they just aren't that good right now.

LMJ has to hit the weight room, learn to secure the football, catch out the backfield, block in the backfield, field punts or kickoffs, find a spot on special teams, and adjust to the NFL game. He joined the offseason late and is behind the curve somewhat but he should be learning from Gore and Hunter on how to be a pro, then he might earn his way on the field. Personally, I would not retweet those messages and not buy all those cars, but he does not have a father in his life it seems, so he is influenced by the ignorance he grew up around in some ways. It is to be expected, but I hope he gets it and becomes a productive player for us. And for the comments about how we drafted a 5th string back in the 2nd round, well it happens. No draft can be perfect, and a lot of teams have backs starting that would sit behind Gore and Hunter. What a luxury we have and I hope LMJ understands that eventually
  • sfout
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Originally posted by jreff22:
And? We drafted Jenkins and James on the lack of speed argument. Moving the ball better on offense is still a priority and when both top picks aren't even active something is wrong IMO. And the "we are just that deep" argument is retarded. We had Ginn and Jacobs out for weeks and neither guy saw the field. We aren't that deep, they just aren't that good right now.

Jreff you just stated the we are just deep argument in the most ideal terms.

Both Ginn (our #5 WR) and Jacobs(#3 RB) were hurt and neither Jenkins or James saw the field.

We will never see our #5 WR unless there are multiple injuries a head of them. Only Crabtree, Manningham, and Williams see the field on 3 Wide sets. Moss is a situational player who is on a snap count. Ginn will probably see the field less then Moss when all is said and done. If we ever go 4 wide or even 5 wide its a complete given that VD is going to be one of those players because taking VD off the field so we can put our #4 or #5 WR on the field is just laughably insane. Jenkins is redshirting and probably going to slide into the 3 or 4 spot next year with Crabtree and Manningham starting, leaving Jenkins to challenge Williams for the #3 spot.

Jacobs will only see the field on 3-5 or less and goal line situations, both as a decoy and to blatantly run it down an opponents throat. Gore carries the ball 15x a game so far this season. Hunter 6x a game, then there is probably the 3-5+ times we will call flysweeps and gadget plays for Ginn, Williams, and Manningham. Thats 25 rushes a game right there, assuming we need a 3-5 3rd short/goal lines thats a minimal load for him and thats about 30 rushes a game. What are we going to have 5 RBs active for the 3-5 snaps James would see the field? Thats not logical consider James' only ST value is returns, he is too small to be on kickoff coverage and too small to be a gunner on punt coverage. He is redshirting this year to basically slide in as the #3 back and will likely be the #2 when Gore retires and Hunter becomes the #1.

There simply aren't enough carries in a game to justify having 4 RBs active(5 if you count Dixon's pure ST contributions)

and then as I said earlier, why would we go out of our way to active Jenkins as the #6 or #7 WR considering we only see those players that low on the depth chart when we run gadget plays like fly sweeps. Even in our situational packages, we never have more then 3 WRs on the field and to say Jenkins is a better option then Manningham or Williams (the two WRs with the most similar skill sets to Jenkins) is just bad thinking. Williams might have been a 6th round pick but he is an ideal slot receiver and is very talent and now has 3 years of experience in the NFL compared to Jenkins 6 months.

I'm looking forward to both of them hopefully seeing the field against divisional opponents when we throw a curve ball at them but just wait until next year. As long as we are winning what is the trouble with keeping them on the bench and letting them watch the game first before we throw them into the fire?

Yes were still missing the all around speed and explosiveness that HarBaalke said they fixed but we are already seeing the benefits of having playmakers like Moss and Manningham on the field at the same time as Crabtree and VD. Alex is distributing the ball to his play makers and hes got chemistry with all of them, there is no reason to keep the rotation going and throw rookies in there when we honestly dont need them.
Originally posted by sfout:
Jreff you just stated the we are just deep argument in the most ideal terms.

Both Ginn (our #5 WR) and Jacobs(#3 RB) were hurt and neither Jenkins or James saw the field.

We will never see our #5 WR unless there are multiple injuries a head of them. Only Crabtree, Manningham, and Williams see the field on 3 Wide sets. Moss is a situational player who is on a snap count. Ginn will probably see the field less then Moss when all is said and done. If we ever go 4 wide or even 5 wide its a complete given that VD is going to be one of those players because taking VD off the field so we can put our #4 or #5 WR on the field is just laughably insane. Jenkins is redshirting and probably going to slide into the 3 or 4 spot next year with Crabtree and Manningham starting, leaving Jenkins to challenge Williams for the #3 spot.

Jacobs will only see the field on 3-5 or less and goal line situations, both as a decoy and to blatantly run it down an opponents throat. Gore carries the ball 15x a game so far this season. Hunter 6x a game, then there is probably the 3-5+ times we will call flysweeps and gadget plays for Ginn, Williams, and Manningham. Thats 25 rushes a game right there, assuming we need a 3-5 3rd short/goal lines thats a minimal load for him and thats about 30 rushes a game. What are we going to have 5 RBs active for the 3-5 snaps James would see the field? Thats not logical consider James' only ST value is returns, he is too small to be on kickoff coverage and too small to be a gunner on punt coverage. He is redshirting this year to basically slide in as the #3 back and will likely be the #2 when Gore retires and Hunter becomes the #1.

There simply aren't enough carries in a game to justify having 4 RBs active(5 if you count Dixon's pure ST contributions)

and then as I said earlier, why would we go out of our way to active Jenkins as the #6 or #7 WR considering we only see those players that low on the depth chart when we run gadget plays like fly sweeps. Even in our situational packages, we never have more then 3 WRs on the field and to say Jenkins is a better option then Manningham or Williams (the two WRs with the most similar skill sets to Jenkins) is just bad thinking. Williams might have been a 6th round pick but he is an ideal slot receiver and is very talent and now has 3 years of experience in the NFL compared to Jenkins 6 months.

I'm looking forward to both of them hopefully seeing the field against divisional opponents when we throw a curve ball at them but just wait until next year. As long as we are winning what is the trouble with keeping them on the bench and letting them watch the game first before we throw them into the fire?

Yes were still missing the all around speed and explosiveness that HarBaalke said they fixed but we are already seeing the benefits of having playmakers like Moss and Manningham on the field at the same time as Crabtree and VD. Alex is distributing the ball to his play makers and hes got chemistry with all of them, there is no reason to keep the rotation going and throw rookies in there when we honestly dont need them.

Very true indeed. We are in a good spot
Originally posted by jreff22:
And? We drafted Jenkins and James on the lack of speed argument. Moving the ball better on offense is still a priority and when both top picks aren't even active something is wrong IMO. And the "we are just that deep" argument is retarded. We had Ginn and Jacobs out for weeks and neither guy saw the field. We aren't that deep, they just aren't that good right now.

You can't just take the reason why your argument makes no sense and call it 'retarded' without offering an argument against it.
Also, we drafted Jenkins and James because Baalke and Harbaugh felt that they were the best players available to have on the team, for this year and for the future. Given some of the players at those positions, who are on one-year contracts or old or both, that's a great thing for a team to have.

There's no rule that says your #1 pick has to produce immediately in order for them to be worth having on the roster.
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by sspiker:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Bench Celek or Dobbs.

The kid hasn't surpassed Dixon for gods sake

Dixon is activated for games because he plays on ST. He's like Colin Jones last year. Look at MM's snap counts-- Dixon played more ST snaps than any other player. Dixon never sees the field during meaningful situations.
And? We drafted Jenkins and James on the lack of speed argument. Moving the ball better on offense is still a priority and when both top picks aren't even active something is wrong IMO. And the "we are just that deep" argument is retarded. We had Ginn and Jacobs out for weeks and neither guy saw the field. We aren't that deep, they just aren't that good right now.

Umm...

245 yards rushing with 9 different players.

Not retarded.
We had 3 RB's active, the other 6 shouldn't have a baring on James. Unless you think he should lose carries to Kap and Ginn?
Originally posted by sspiker:
Originally posted by jreff22:
And? We drafted Jenkins and James on the lack of speed argument. Moving the ball better on offense is still a priority and when both top picks aren't even active something is wrong IMO. And the "we are just that deep" argument is retarded. We had Ginn and Jacobs out for weeks and neither guy saw the field. We aren't that deep, they just aren't that good right now.

You can't just take the reason why your argument makes no sense and call it 'retarded' without offering an argument against it.

Kids drafted in the 1st and usually the 2nd are blue chip players, they should be on the filed or at least dressed for emergency reasons. All last year everybody pointed out how we had 0 speed. We go out and draft 2 speed guys and dont use them. We aren't a rock solid team from top to bottom. Gore and Hunter are fine after that its a wash. Crabs and Ham are fine after that its a wash. The fact that Dixon was expected to be released and wasn't, and now dresses over a 2nd round pick is not welcoming. RB is usually a easy transition into the NFL, Hunter was fine and was a 4th rnd pick.....Miller transitioned from defense and damn near made the probowl. Our backup QB gets the ball more than our 2nd rnd RB.......not impressed.
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
LMJ has to hit the weight room, learn to secure the football, catch out the backfield, block in the backfield, field punts or kickoffs, find a spot on special teams, and adjust to the NFL game. He joined the offseason late and is behind the curve somewhat but he should be learning from Gore and Hunter on how to be a pro, then he might earn his way on the field. Personally, I would not retweet those messages and not buy all those cars, but he does not have a father in his life it seems, so he is influenced by the ignorance he grew up around in some ways. It is to be expected, but I hope he gets it and becomes a productive player for us. And for the comments about how we drafted a 5th string back in the 2nd round, well it happens. No draft can be perfect, and a lot of teams have backs starting that would sit behind Gore and Hunter. What a luxury we have and I hope LMJ understands that eventually

pretty sure he should know most if not all of that

if he was pegged being the next Sproles, catching and securing the ball shouldn't be an issue
Clearly LaMichael James should replace Alex Smith.

Originally posted by sspiker:
Also, we drafted Jenkins and James because Baalke and Harbaugh felt that they were the best players available to have on the team, for this year and for the future. Given some of the players at those positions, who are on one-year contracts or old or both, that's a great thing for a team to have.

There's no rule that says your #1 pick has to produce immediately in order for them to be worth having on the roster.

Same reason Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
LMJ has to hit the weight room, learn to secure the football, catch out the backfield, block in the backfield, field punts or kickoffs, find a spot on special teams, and adjust to the NFL game. He joined the offseason late and is behind the curve somewhat but he should be learning from Gore and Hunter on how to be a pro, then he might earn his way on the field. Personally, I would not retweet those messages and not buy all those cars, but he does not have a father in his life it seems, so he is influenced by the ignorance he grew up around in some ways. It is to be expected, but I hope he gets it and becomes a productive player for us. And for the comments about how we drafted a 5th string back in the 2nd round, well it happens. No draft can be perfect, and a lot of teams have backs starting that would sit behind Gore and Hunter. What a luxury we have and I hope LMJ understands that eventually

pretty sure he should know most if not all of that

if he was pegged being the next Sproles, catching and securing the ball shouldn't be an issue

He did not impress me much in those areas during the preseason but I am holding out hope that he improves this year. This is the NFL and it sometimes takes track stars some time to get used to not being the only 4.3 guy on the field and at any position. Look at Reggie Bush now, quite the different back than when he was in NOLA
Last year some of us thought we busted on Kaep and now some of us want him to start when we should have been expecting to develop Kaep. I am of the same opinion of AJ and LMJ, they need development if they are going to unseat our veteran players.
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Last year some of us thought we busted on Kaep and now some of us want him to start when we should have been expecting to develop Kaep. I am of the same opinion of AJ and LMJ, they need development if they are going to unseat our veteran players.

Kap was going to be a multi year project and QB's tend to take more time. All LMJ needed to do what beat out Dixon the past 4 weeks.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Last year some of us thought we busted on Kaep and now some of us want him to start when we should have been expecting to develop Kaep. I am of the same opinion of AJ and LMJ, they need development if they are going to unseat our veteran players.

Kap was going to be a multi year project and QB's tend to take more time. All LMJ needed to do what beat out Dixon the past 4 weeks.

That is why I said he needs to get his special teams on if he is to see the field this season. Who knows, he just might and god forbid we have an injury that puts him out there. We just need to keep watching and hoping