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LaMichael James was a Niner (CUT!)

  • cciowa
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Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Baalke blew it in 2012. He took 2 absolute WIMPS with the first two rounds in AJJ and LMJ. Why not go with size and strength?? I would trade this dude for any round pick. He don't fit in the NFL. I thought it may work as a change of pace but NOT at a 2nd round price. Baalke blew the 2012 Draft. Its as if he was asleep those 3 days right?

i have always said we were just plain lucky that one bad draft did not set back the franchise several years. when you blow a draft as bad as that one, despite what some spinsters try to spin,,,, you could really go back wards. we got lucky cuz we had the good draft before hand, a decent one last year and a core of great players..... you make that same mistake this year you will ask for and get trouble in my opinion
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Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Baalke blew it in 2012. He took 2 absolute WIMPS with the first two rounds in AJJ and LMJ. Why not go with size and strength?? I would trade this dude for any round pick. He don't fit in the NFL. I thought it may work as a change of pace but NOT at a 2nd round price. Baalke blew the 2012 Draft. Its as if he was asleep those 3 days right?

i have always said we were just plain lucky that one bad draft did not set back the franchise several years. when you blow a draft as bad as that one, despite what some spinsters try to spin,,,, you could really go back wards. we got lucky cuz we had the good draft before hand, a decent one last year and a core of great players..... you make that same mistake this year you will ask for and get trouble in my opinion
his draft selection spot and his mouthiness on twitter wont do him well in sf. somewhere else i bet he could salvage his career.
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Originally posted by crabman82:
his draft selection spot and his mouthiness on twitter wont do him well in sf. somewhere else i bet he could salvage his career.

plus he still is a major work in progress in the punt return game in my opinion
Originally posted by VDSF:
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Baalke blew it in 2012. He took 2 absolute WIMPS with the first two rounds in AJJ and LMJ. Why not go with size and strength?? I would trade this dude for any round pick. He don't fit in the NFL. I thought it may work as a change of pace but NOT at a 2nd round price. Baalke blew the 2012 Draft. Its as if he was asleep those 3 days right?

He passed up on Doug Martin, Alshon Jefferey and Janoris Jenkins


I thought those picks were an over reaction by the 49ers' staff to Victor Cruz. That year, everyone was in awe of Cruz and how he could not be covered. So the 49ers went out and got to "quick" guys believing that was the missing piece. Now, things are different.

I'll ALWAYS believe AJ was drafted to replicate Cruz. Never worked out.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by crabman82:
his draft selection spot and his mouthiness on twitter wont do him well in sf. somewhere else i bet he could salvage his career.

plus he still is a major work in progress in the punt return game in my opinion

he didnt break much in terms of big returns, but he was top 10 in punt return average. i dont think hes great or terrible, but his draft selection spot is what kills him on this team in the fans eyes.
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Originally posted by crabman82:
he didnt break much in terms of big returns, but he was top 10 in punt return average. i dont think hes great or terrible, but his draft selection spot is what kills him on this team in the fans eyes.

did not know about the top ten thing but still,,, he makes me crazy when he catches a punt
I'll say it again. If you're watching the draft and you see the Niners select Odell Beckham in the second round, that's all for LMJ. I'd rather have a wide receiver with elite, almost Harvin level speed who can return punts for TD's any day of the week than LMJ. I thought he had potential when they drafted him, but he's never really done enough to earn trust or playing time. Fumbling on a key drive in the Super Bowl and booting a punt in the Championship game don't help his cause.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by titan:
Nothing against James, but we need that roster spot to be a WR. I feel that the PR/KR should be a shifty/fast WR that can line up with our other WR in the same play. There's too many dead plays having all these RB on the sideline and not seeing enough plays and expecting them to come in cold for 1 or 2 plays and make a difference.

We've got dead plays with Greg Roman calling halfback option passes, tosses with slower running backs, and other play calls that just totally befuddle me. If he consistently called a good game plan, there would be many more plays out there for the backs and receivers.

A lot of this is still webzone speculation. For all we know Harbs is overriding plays or setting the game plan to focus on certain things. Regarding James, one possibility still exists that nobody mentions, Rathman may not want him carrying the ball. Our beloved RB coach may be the one not sending LMJ in when Gore takes himself out. Would anybody be pissed if we found out Rathman was keeping James out?

This is a very good point. As much as I want James to play, I would not have an issue if Rathman was vetoing LMJ receiving more carries.
Originally posted by VDSF:
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Baalke blew it in 2012. He took 2 absolute WIMPS with the first two rounds in AJJ and LMJ. Why not go with size and strength?? I would trade this dude for any round pick. He don't fit in the NFL. I thought it may work as a change of pace but NOT at a 2nd round price. Baalke blew the 2012 Draft. Its as if he was asleep those 3 days right?

He passed up on Doug Martin, Alshon Jefferey and Janoris Jenkins


Yeah well so did every other GM in the NFL... I hate those kinds of statements.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by titan:
Nothing against James, but we need that roster spot to be a WR. I feel that the PR/KR should be a shifty/fast WR that can line up with our other WR in the same play. There's too many dead plays having all these RB on the sideline and not seeing enough plays and expecting them to come in cold for 1 or 2 plays and make a difference.

We've got dead plays with Greg Roman calling halfback option passes, tosses with slower running backs, and other play calls that just totally befuddle me. If he consistently called a good game plan, there would be many more plays out there for the backs and receivers.

A lot of this is still webzone speculation. For all we know Harbs is overriding plays or setting the game plan to focus on certain things. Regarding James, one possibility still exists that nobody mentions, Rathman may not want him carrying the ball. Our beloved RB coach may be the one not sending LMJ in when Gore takes himself out. Would anybody be pissed if we found out Rathman was keeping James out?

This is a very good point. As much as I want James to play, I would not have an issue if Rathman was vetoing LMJ receiving more carries.


This could be true, but it doesn't have to be a simple matter of LMJ coming in to just to get a couple carries while he spells Gore...this is where a good OC can/should be creative in designing plays that put someone like LMJ in a situation to maximize his talent and possibly get a mismatch merely by formation. That said, LMJ has proven he can carry the ball, although his forte are runs to the edge and outside and not so much the tough sledding up the middle that Gore handles.
Originally posted by DelCed2486:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by titan:
Nothing against James, but we need that roster spot to be a WR. I feel that the PR/KR should be a shifty/fast WR that can line up with our other WR in the same play. There's too many dead plays having all these RB on the sideline and not seeing enough plays and expecting them to come in cold for 1 or 2 plays and make a difference.

We've got dead plays with Greg Roman calling halfback option passes, tosses with slower running backs, and other play calls that just totally befuddle me. If he consistently called a good game plan, there would be many more plays out there for the backs and receivers.

A lot of this is still webzone speculation. For all we know Harbs is overriding plays or setting the game plan to focus on certain things. Regarding James, one possibility still exists that nobody mentions, Rathman may not want him carrying the ball. Our beloved RB coach may be the one not sending LMJ in when Gore takes himself out. Would anybody be pissed if we found out Rathman was keeping James out?

This is a very good point. As much as I want James to play, I would not have an issue if Rathman was vetoing LMJ receiving more carries.


This could be true, but it doesn't have to be a simple matter of LMJ coming in to just to get a couple carries while he spells Gore...this is where a good OC can/should be creative in designing plays that put someone like LMJ in a situation to maximize his talent and possibly get a mismatch merely by formation. That said, LMJ has proven he can carry the ball, although his forte are runs to the edge and outside and not so much the tough sledding up the middle that Gore handles.

I agree and this was my concern until the other poster brought up the point of perhaps someone else doesn't want James on the field. It could be lack of creativity. Or they could have tried some things that we would like to see in practice and maybe they didn't work out. I don't often read reports about practice, but of the little I do read, James's name never really comes up.
this is a great article on LMJ for everyone saying he can't get it done, he simply hasn't had the chance. I know we have a very good group of RBs and will be even better in 2014 with Lattimore making his debut, but we have got to find a role for this guy.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/James-Awaits-His-Chance-With-49ers-244268981.html

this to me lays everything out that needs to be said:

"Playing in just 10 games in 2013, James had only 12 regular-season carries for 59 yards and no touchdowns, but averaged 4.9 yards per carry. He did slip into a role as the 49ers' primary punt and kickoff returner when Kyle Williams and others didn't pan out, and played well. He returned 23 punts for 251 yards – a 10.9-yard average – and had a long return of 40 yards. On kickoffs, he had 12 returns for 321 yards – a 26.8 average. Had James qualified, he would have ranked fourth in the NFL in punt returns and fourth in kickoffs."
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Originally posted by matt49er:
this is a great article on LMJ for everyone saying he can't get it done, he simply hasn't had the chance. I know we have a very good group of RBs and will be even better in 2014 with Lattimore making his debut, but we have got to find a role for this guy.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/James-Awaits-His-Chance-With-49ers-244268981.html

this to me lays everything out that needs to be said:

"Playing in just 10 games in 2013, James had only 12 regular-season carries for 59 yards and no touchdowns, but averaged 4.9 yards per carry. He did slip into a role as the 49ers' primary punt and kickoff returner when Kyle Williams and others didn't pan out, and played well. He returned 23 punts for 251 yards – a 10.9-yard average – and had a long return of 40 yards. On kickoffs, he had 12 returns for 321 yards – a 26.8 average. Had James qualified, he would have ranked fourth in the NFL in punt returns and fourth in kickoffs."

Which is better or maybe equal to what Ted Ginn with us and with Carolina this past year. lolz.