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LaMichael James was a Niner (CUT!)

Not happy about the muffed punts but it happens. That's just the reality, even Josh Cribbs muffed several punts during his rookie season, Ted Ginn when he was with the Dolphins, muffed 6 punts and lost 2 of them. Now people would say he's a fairly dependable returner. These guys have to be allowed to play, they'll make mistakes but they'll also learn from and develop, you can't really develop a returner from the bench, they need to get as much hands on time during the preseason and the regular season in actual games. So far nothing James has done has cost the 49ers, he's given them some decent returns and shows the ability to take one deep as well. As long as he learns from his mistakes and continues to work on his focus, securing the ball before looking to take off downfield, he'll be fine.
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Top of my list for the offseason is a CB or WR with elite speed, good hands, and KR skills. Top three rounds...is a must. Hell, I might take two one for the D and one for the O....we need a slot corner and guy to run the deep bomb.

I could see LMJ gone as well, I dont think he is as bad as you, but he doesnt bring anything to the table that somebody else cant Gore gets one more year in the sun, Lattimore is the bell cow of the future, Hunter is the change of pace, and Dixon is the utility guy and special teams ace....all LMJ brings is inconsistant kick return skills and an RB skill set not suited to our offense. I could see him doing well in Philly, Carolina or Miami where the run game is more finese based and designed around getting to the edge or in space quickly. Ball carrier vision is too critical to our game plan and he is just an open space kind of runner.


Hunter is not a "change of pace." He's a similar physical runner as Gore. James and Hunter couldn't be more different in terms of their running styles. If used properly, I think James could be a contributor on this offense, if he's traded and Roman stays, it makes no difference, that just proves that the offensive coaching staff continually doesn't know how to use their players properly. Good teams find or create roles for guys to contribute, you don't think James could go to New England, New Orleans, Seattle or Denver and be utilized regularly in the offense? Those teams would find a way to get him the ball in space, to use running plays that go to his strengths.

Meanwhile jackass is up in the booth, having James run up the middle as if he was Gore and having Dixon run to the outside like he's LeSean McCoy.
Muffed punts happen. Just like in any other sport; mistakes happen. It's the repetition of mistakes that's a red flag like kW.

LMJ has talented as hell and definitely isn't being used to his potential.

Most people, including me, thought Bush was a BUST! But Detroit has found way to get the most out of him.

Doubtfully Roman can do the same - yet there's always hope.

If he isn't going to use him effectively then we should try to get something for him and get a chance to find a player who'll they'll use.Nothing against LMJ but if we aren't going to use him then why keep him?
I feel comfortable with him returning punts... just not catching them!

I was hoping to see that he'd improved in this area when we stuck him in there last week, but no. He hasn't improved. He's still running up and back to field them. Yeah, he hasn't cost us a game, yet, but it could so very easily happen. I don't want another NFCCG mishap or worse yet, a Super Bowl mishap!
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by grizzlyadams:
@LaMichaelJames: Dear all who sent me hate tweets I hate you too go head butt a field goal post I was out there playing a game with food poison

LMJ just needs to shut up. He almost blew the game then blamed it on sickness. How does food poisoning affect whether you muff a punt or not? Idiot.

You've never had food poisoning...come on, admit it! Worst feeling I've ever had...worse than the worst flu...I've never died so I can't compare the two...but I wanted to!

I've had it, still had to go to work (only making 18 dollars) not 18k and did not b***h about it

Dudes complains about not playing, when he does, complains about people on twitter lol
Originally posted by ghostrider:
I feel comfortable with him returning punts... just not catching them!

I was hoping to see that he'd improved in this area when we stuck him in there last week, but no. He hasn't improved. He's still running up and back to field them. Yeah, he hasn't cost us a game, yet, but it could so very easily happen. I don't want another NFCCG mishap or worse yet, a Super Bowl mishap!

It was James who fumbled the ball on 10 yard line in the Super Bowl.

Personally I don't like LMJ. I don't think he suits this physical style of running because he can't break a tackle. He's not as fast or agile as people make him out to be either. Comparing him Sproles or Cobb is ridiculous.
Originally posted by ads_2006:
I've had it, still had to go to work (only making 18 dollars) not 18k and did not b***h about it

Dudes complains about not playing, when he does, complains about people on twitter lol

Exactly. His complaints about not playing rubbed me the wrong way.
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Not happy about the muffed punts but it happens. That's just the reality, even Josh Cribbs muffed several punts during his rookie season, Ted Ginn when he was with the Dolphins, muffed 6 punts and lost 2 of them. Now people would say he's a fairly dependable returner. These guys have to be allowed to play, they'll make mistakes but they'll also learn from and develop, you can't really develop a returner from the bench, they need to get as much hands on time during the preseason and the regular season in actual games. So far nothing James has done has cost the 49ers, he's given them some decent returns and shows the ability to take one deep as well. As long as he learns from his mistakes and continues to work on his focus, securing the ball before looking to take off downfield, he'll be fine.

It happens? Yes. If it happens once a game, it's a huge problem. Can't trust him to catch the ball right now. I want him to be good, unfortunately that's not enough.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Hunter is not a "change of pace." He's a similar physical runner as Gore. James and Hunter couldn't be more different in terms of their running styles. If used properly, I think James could be a contributor on this offense, if he's traded and Roman stays, it makes no difference, that just proves that the offensive coaching staff continually doesn't know how to use their players properly. Good teams find or create roles for guys to contribute, you don't think James could go to New England, New Orleans, Seattle or Denver and be utilized regularly in the offense? Those teams would find a way to get him the ball in space, to use running plays that go to his strengths.

Meanwhile jackass is up in the booth, having James run up the middle as if he was Gore and having Dixon run to the outside like he's LeSean McCoy.

This team is dedicated to power running...period! Drives me crazy but everything revolves around that principle and James is not a great blocker in the jumbo packages nor is he a power runner...at least not nearly as good as Gore.

Last week we saw what James can do in open space with his returns but this week they covered much better. He can do the same thing as a RB but only with some dedicated plays to use his skill. It's as if the coaches say...OK...we have X amount of time in practice to learn new plays and not enough time to devote to skills that can't be run by every back....from Dixon to James.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Hunter is not a "change of pace." He's a similar physical runner as Gore. James and Hunter couldn't be more different in terms of their running styles. If used properly, I think James could be a contributor on this offense, if he's traded and Roman stays, it makes no difference, that just proves that the offensive coaching staff continually doesn't know how to use their players properly. Good teams find or create roles for guys to contribute, you don't think James could go to New England, New Orleans, Seattle or Denver and be utilized regularly in the offense? Those teams would find a way to get him the ball in space, to use running plays that go to his strengths.

Meanwhile jackass is up in the booth, having James run up the middle as if he was Gore and having Dixon run to the outside like he's LeSean McCoy.

This team is dedicated to power running...period! Drives me crazy but everything revolves around that principle and James is not a great blocker in the jumbo packages nor is he a power runner...at least not nearly as good as Gore.

Last week we saw what James can do in open space with his returns but this week they covered much better. He can do the same thing as a RB but only with some dedicated plays to use his skill. It's as if the coaches say...OK...we have X amount of time in practice to learn new plays and not enough time to devote to skills that can't be run by every back....from Dixon to James.
I agree that they could install a sub package for LMJ, but if they arent going to...then what is the point of keeping him. And despite the snark from pheonix I dont agree that Hunter is the same style as Gore...one is clearly a one move and hit the hole as fast as possible runner that is hoping to be elusive in once hitting the second level and the other uses vision and patience to set up his blocks and then pushes the pile after contact by running low and with power. Those are not the same thing, beyond that Hunter does in fact have similar speed to LMJ, which further highlights how silly it is that one can block and run between the tackles and the other needs plays designed around getting him in open space just to be effective. The issue as I see it is that Hunter could do everything LMJ is doing for us as a back and still be used in pass protection and between the tackles...he has superior speed to Gore and is probably more dangerous when he gets to the edge,but isnt a one trick pony so he is more usefull than LMJ...pretty much my definition of a change of pace back.

I think New Orleans would and could use LMJ very well because they have proclivity towards the sort of things he excells at, Seattle and Denver had guys like him and never used them all that well and New England has a similar power run game to ours and he probably wouldnt even make the field. LMJ has a particular skill set...there are a few teams in the league that he would be attractive to...but to portray it like our OC is a jackass because he doesnt fit in here as well as planned is just pattently false...he would have a tough time on a lot of teams.

As to that jackass in the booth if he was running specific backs in a specific way everytime they entered the game you would be complaining about how its a tell for the opposing defense....typical. The dude is very far from perfect, but sometimes I wish people would limit their arguements to legitimate gripes rather than just blathering on about things adding to the noise.
Originally posted by eonblue:
Originally posted by ghostrider:
I feel comfortable with him returning punts... just not catching them!

I was hoping to see that he'd improved in this area when we stuck him in there last week, but no. He hasn't improved. He's still running up and back to field them. Yeah, he hasn't cost us a game, yet, but it could so very easily happen. I don't want another NFCCG mishap or worse yet, a Super Bowl mishap!

It was James who fumbled the ball on 10 yard line in the Super Bowl.

Personally I don't like LMJ. I don't think he suits this physical style of running because he can't break a tackle. He's not as fast or agile as people make him out to be either. Comparing him Sproles or Cobb is ridiculous.

Gire fumbles from time to time as well, but I'm not constantly fearing/expecting it when either is running the ball.

However, LMJ on punt returns is a huge muff waiting to happen and a series of lesser muffs currently happening. Every time he's ever been back there since we've drafted him (admittedly, mostly preseason) I've been expecting a muff 1 out of every 3 catches with the other 2 being fighting-the-ball-almost-muffs.



Once he catches it, I feel good, but my heart doesn't beat until then.
he's got the rest of the season to fix that......
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Muffed punts happen. Just like in any other sport; mistakes happen. It's the repetition of mistakes that's a red flag like kW.

LMJ has talented as hell and definitely isn't being used to his potential.

Most people, including me, thought Bush was a BUST! But Detroit has found way to get the most out of him.

Doubtfully Roman can do the same - yet there's always hope.

If he isn't going to use him effectively then we should try to get something for him and get a chance to find a player who'll they'll use.Nothing against LMJ but if we aren't going to use him then why keep him?

I think his time in Miami showed he was a legitimate back, but especially even more so in a heavier passing offense. Problem in New Orleans is they haven't used a "featured back" since Deuce McAllister. Bush would be a big-time threat in an Andy Reid system too.
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I agree that they could install a sub package for LMJ, but if they arent going to...then what is the point of keeping him. And despite the snark from pheonix I dont agree that Hunter is the same style as Gore...one is clearly a one move and hit the hole as fast as possible runner that is hoping to be elusive in once hitting the second level and the other uses vision and patience to set up his blocks and then pushes the pile after contact by running low and with power. Those are not the same thing, beyond that Hunter does in fact have similar speed to LMJ, which further highlights how silly it is that one can block and run between the tackles and the other needs plays designed around getting him in open space just to be effective. The issue as I see it is that Hunter could do everything LMJ is doing for us as a back and still be used in pass protection and between the tackles...he has superior speed to Gore and is probably more dangerous when he gets to the edge,but isnt a one trick pony so he is more usefull than LMJ...pretty much my definition of a change of pace back.


Hunter and Gore are much more similar in style as running backs, but James is the guy who presents a different package and combination of athleticism. He's the quickest running back on the roster, he's not a burner but he's also the fastest running back on the roster. He's a guy who can be extremely elusive and make people miss in the open field, the problem is he is continually being used the wrong way. When they put him in offense, they'll often run him the way they would run with Gore, they haven't tried incorporating him into the passing game as a checkdown threat much, utilize him on screens, slants, it doesn't have to be as extensive as what the Saints do but damn, they drafted the guy, give him a chance to work into the offense and make some plays, he's a mismatch for a lot of defenses with the ball in his hands, yet another guy who can stretch the field out.

People like to compare Hunter and James because of their size but their running styles are nothing alike.





I think New Orleans would and could use LMJ very well because they have proclivity towards the sort of things he excells at, Seattle and Denver had guys like him and never used them all that well and New England has a similar power run game to ours and he probably wouldnt even make the field. LMJ has a particular skill set...there are a few teams in the league that he would be attractive to...but to portray it like our OC is a jackass


Roman is a jackass for that and many other reasons. And yes, New England couldn't utilize a guy with James' skillset but they successfully utilized superstars such as Edelman and Woodhead. Makes sense.




because he doesnt fit in here as well as planned is just pattently false...he would have a tough time on a lot of teams.


That's your opinion entirely of course, I think there's a lot of teams that he could be a valuable contributor on. I'm sure we can agree to disagree.



As to that jackass in the booth if he was running specific backs in a specific way everytime they entered the game you would be complaining about how its a tell for the opposing defense....typical. The dude is very far from perfect, but sometimes I wish people would limit their arguements to legitimate gripes rather than just blathering on about things adding to the noise.



One of the very problems with their offensive philosophy they try so hard to throw the defense off that they end up putting themselves in bad situations as result, such as when running Dixon out wide. Run James to the outside and block for him, if the defense stops him, great, but at least give him a chance to be a playmaker, get the ball out to him in space, the best offenses in the NFL don't have a lot of surprises to them, you know what they are going to do and you know who the ball is going to and they still manage to be successful. Trying to be overly clever and use a bunch of gadget plays does not an offensive philosophy make.


So yeah, that jackass in the booth continues to show that he doesn't have a clue how to utilize these guys in ways that make the player and the team successful.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Dec 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM ]
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James has touched the ball just over 60 times in his career and he's fumbled it 6 times (4 fumbles, 1 fumble against NE that they said forward progress stopped, and a fumble vs. Atl. that he was barely down by contact on a KR). That pretty much says everything. I don't care what he potentially brings as a punt returner; for a ball control team, if he's fumbling the ball once every 10 touches, that's unacceptable and WILL cost this team.

This isn't only an issue on kicks and punts, it's an issue on runs with him. Every time he gets touched it feels like there's a chance the ball's gonna get ripped out.