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LaMichael James is a Niner

Originally posted by rapid4:
We should have used that draft pick on an every down player, not a 4th string rb.

baalke texted you on draft day but you didnt get back to him
Originally posted by crabman82:
baalke texted you on draft day but you didnt get back to him

Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by rapid4:
We should have used that draft pick on an every down player, not a 4th string rb.

baalke texted you on draft day but you didnt get back to him

Originally posted by crabman82:
baalke texted you on draft day but you didnt get back to him


I called but he was busy arranging A.J.'s press conference.
Originally posted by rapid4:
Originally posted by crabman82:
baalke texted you on draft day but you didnt get back to him


I called but he was busy arranging A.J.'s press conference.

lies, its all caught on the war room cam
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Disp:
Phoenix, what are you talking about? Ginn was so unreliable on kicks and punts last year that he lost his job and the Niners made no effort to resign him. He had 4 punt return fumbles in like 30-35 attempts. He was great in 2010 and 2011 and was a liability last year.

Yes, but in 2010 and 2011 he was very reliable, this season for Carolina he has been very reliable. Look at the top returners in the NFL and they all tend to screw up, look at Trinidad Holliday recently, perhaps the most dangerous returner in football and he's gone potato, he went potato in Houston last season at times before they cut him then became beastly in Denver.

You take the good with the bad, just as an explosive returner can make some huge plays for you, they can also screw up at times. If James keeps having issues with receiving punts, then so be it, replace him, but to jump all over him after a short sample is kind of asinine IMO. If you don't let guys play and make mistakes, they're never going to fully develop.

How do we know James is good though? Like you mentioned, it's a very small sample size and if you take away his one 40 yard return that blows his average up what do his numbers come up as? You're comparing it to players who have been top tier returners for years and have earned the right to make occasional mistakes. James hasn't earned the right to screw up and not be blasted for it.
I'm concerned that James will cost us a huge game down the road. Scary everytime he's about to field the ball...
Originally posted by Disp:
How do we know James is good though? Like you mentioned, it's a very small sample size and if you take away his one 40 yard return that blows his average up what do his numbers come up as? You're comparing it to players who have been top tier returners for years and have earned the right to make occasional mistakes. James hasn't earned the right to screw up and not be blasted for it.

You let him keep playing. Increase the sample size, if he continues to make good returns and shows better ball control, then he's a keeper, no? And if he goes potato and keeps having issues with holding on to punts for the rest of the season, then you know to look at someone else.

What I'm saying is that we simply don't know. However, it'd be one thing if he was averaging 3 yards a return and having these issues, but he's shown the ability to make some big plays such as the return against NE last season. To me, that makes it worthwhile to see what he can do and if he can continue to do a good job of returning the football with better ball security, then the issue with settle itself.


The one thing you can't do is yank the guy now as some are clamoring for, doing so would be just an overreaction and kind of pointless. My point has been that he's showed promise, but its still too early to tell eitherway. Judging by some of the comments, people here would have wanted to see guys like Devin Hester get s**t-canned early on in their careers too. Most returners seem to struggle early on and the numbers bare that out, there's very few guys like Patterson in Minnesota who step into the role almost seamlessly.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Dec 2, 2013 at 1:48 PM ]
i'm prepared to live and die with him returning, only way to get better is to be out there when the live bulletts are flying. we also dont really have another option unless cox is re-signed.
Originally posted by crabman82:
i'm prepared to live and die with him returning, only way to get better is to be out there when the live bulletts are flying. we also dont really have another option unless cox is re-signed.

This, constantly rotating guys, hoping for a miracle isn't the answer either. If you look at a guy like Ace Sanders, someone that a lot of people here wanted, he's barely averaging 5 yards a return on punts. James has done well with his returns, let's see if he can keep it up.


If he shows he can't hack it, then he can't hack it, you cut your losses and you move on, I just don't want to be watching LaMichael James be a high quality punt returner and an offensive weapon on some other team such as the Seahawks. I think it is entirely premature to give up on him over 2 games.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Dec 2, 2013 at 1:56 PM ]
Originally posted by crabman82:
i'm prepared to live and die with him returning, only way to get better is to be out there when the live bulletts are flying. we also dont really have another option unless cox is re-signed.

I didn't like watching him return at Oregon and I don't like watching him return in San Francisco. Not much has changed. Hopefully he does get better, his results have been better than Kyle Williams so far and he looks like he's going to break one loose sooner or later.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Disp:
How do we know James is good though? Like you mentioned, it's a very small sample size and if you take away his one 40 yard return that blows his average up what do his numbers come up as? You're comparing it to players who have been top tier returners for years and have earned the right to make occasional mistakes. James hasn't earned the right to screw up and not be blasted for it.

You let him keep playing. Increase the sample size, if he continues to make good returns and shows better ball control, then he's a keeper, no? And if he goes potato and keeps having issues with holding on to punts for the rest of the season, then you know to look at someone else.

What I'm saying is that we simply don't know. However, it'd be one thing if he was averaging 3 yards a return and having these issues, but he's shown the ability to make some big plays such as the return against NE last season. To me, that makes it worthwhile to see what he can do and if he can continue to do a good job of returning the football with better ball security, then the issue with settle itself.


The one thing you can't do is yank the guy now as some are clamoring for, doing so would be just an overreaction and kind of pointless. My point has been that he's showed promise, but its still too early to tell eitherway. Judging by some of the comments, people here would have wanted to see guys like Devin Hester get s**t-canned early on in their careers too. Most returners seem to struggle early on and the numbers bare that out, there's very few guys like Patterson in Minnesota who step into the role almost seamlessly.
I hope he doesn't turn into a Dexter Carter. All the speed in the world, but can never hang onto the ball!
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
You let him keep playing. Increase the sample size, if he continues to make good returns and shows better ball control, then he's a keeper, no? And if he goes potato and keeps having issues with holding on to punts for the rest of the season, then you know to look at someone else.
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The one thing you can't do is yank the guy now as some are clamoring for, doing so would be just an overreaction and kind of pointless. My point has been that he's showed promise, but its still too early to tell eitherway. Judging by some of the comments, people here would have wanted to see guys like Devin Hester get s**t-canned early on in their careers too. Most returners seem to struggle early on and the numbers bare that out, there's very few guys like Patterson in Minnesota who step into the role almost seamlessly.

Yes, and it's not like his fumbles are bouncing off his helmet and traveling ten yards. Both of his muffs were soft misses, easily recoverable. That bodes well for his future development. When I tried to catch punts it was like them bouncing off a cement wall...just not able to track the ball and softly catch it. And I'm very impressed with his decision making on when to run and where the opponents are. Very good peripheral vision. I would like to see him on all returns. for the rest of the year, possible sharing the endzone on kickoffs with a young guy like Morris. With that kind of speed back there ST may take another jump in production.
its not like kyle williams had the surest of hands either. dude was always bobbling fair catches
should have just kept Ginn
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