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LaMichael James is a Niner

Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by NJNiner:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by NJNiner:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by NJNiner:
Baalke talking trade deadline and LMJ in the same context. IMO LMJ is as good as gone!


I thought he categorically said LMJ won't be traded, no ?

Just going by the past. How many times have we heard a coach or a GM swear they are not interested in trading a player and next thing you know he is traded or released?


If you are right and means we will land Josh Gordon, I am all for it !!

That would be great but with Manningham close to returning and Crabs possible return next month, is there really room for another WR?

Absolutely. The truth of the matter is those fans who are opposed to the trade simply think both Mario and Crab will be 100% at the top of their game immediately after their return which is just unrealistic. We also need to think further ahead, we couldn't beat the Seahawks when we had Crab last year, there is no doubt in my mind we will need a legit deep threat to give us a chance. The problem is all we have right now is Vernon for the deep routes who is already a bit banged up and they will be able to key in on him to shut him down. We need another deep option to spread out their secondary. Just look at how the Colts beat them, TY Hilton was the difference. He managed to consistently beat out Sherman to get open. Josh Gordon can do the same.

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I agree^^^^^ the unwillingness to pull the trigger will cost us. Balke is gun shy and it's frustrating
Originally posted by Broseph6:
I agree^^^^^ the unwillingness to pull the trigger will cost us. Balke is gun shy and it's frustrating


If we are serious about making a run for the Super Bowl, we will need to be gutsy enough to make such a bold move and frankly the situation calls for it.
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I am pretty sure that the 49ers are actually making a run for the Super Bowl.

Bold moves can be highly overrated.

Least we forget, Tampa Bay made many bold moves this off season.
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Originally posted by buck:
I am pretty sure that the 49ers are actually making a run for the Super Bowl.

Bold moves can be highly overrated.

Least we forget, Tampa Bay made many bold moves this off season.

yes,, remember goldson was their missing piece.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by Broseph6:
I agree^^^^^ the unwillingness to pull the trigger will cost us. Balke is gun shy and it's frustrating


If we are serious about making a run for the Super Bowl, we will need to be gutsy enough to make such a bold move and frankly the situation calls for it.
what "situation". we have won four in a row,, finally figured out what we are supposed to do on offense, special teams and defense are at a very high level and we got guys on both sides of the ball coming back soon which will make us stronger... maybe i missed something but is there some "dire situation" we are in right now that calls for bold moves and trades?
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Originally posted by Broseph6:
I agree^^^^^ the unwillingness to pull the trigger will cost us. Balke is gun shy and it's frustrating
guns can blow up in your face. we are not in desperation mode and this "trade" will not and should not take place
Originally posted by cciowa:
what "situation". we have won four in a row,, finally figured out what we are supposed to do on offense, special teams and defense are at a very high level and we got guys on both sides of the ball coming back soon which will make us stronger... maybe i missed something but is there some "dire situation" we are in right now that calls for bold moves and trades?


Looks like you have neglected to talk about the passing game. When you have time, watch the Colts vs Seahawks game and you will have a far better idea what is required in order to beat the Seahawks.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by cciowa:
what "situation". we have won four in a row,, finally figured out what we are supposed to do on offense, special teams and defense are at a very high level and we got guys on both sides of the ball coming back soon which will make us stronger... maybe i missed something but is there some "dire situation" we are in right now that calls for bold moves and trades?


Looks like you have neglected to talk about the passing game. When you have time, watch the Colts vs Seahawks game and you will have a far better idea what is required in order to beat the Seahawks.
i believe with the addition of mario and maybe crabs the passing game, which is getting better each week,,,, will be better in two months than it is now. I know good posters like you disagree and thats ok. i just do not think we are in such a dire need that we need to make some knee jerk trade . if i am wrong,, well it will not the first time and i will step up and admit it. hell i thought the niners were screwing the pooch for not signing david boston back in the day so what do i know?
Yeah I think we're in a position right now to allow our injured guys a chance to come back and play ball. We've won 4 in a row and barring serious injury we have a great chance to make it 5 this weekend so I don't think we in any dire situation.

Having said that I also agree with some on here that we need a legitimate down field threat.. Even with Manningham, and Crabtree in the lineup we are still lacking a real speed/size guy on the outside. I get that and agree. I just don't think bringing in that guy mid season is going to help that much this season.

Even if Gordon was brought in, he'd have to learn a pretty complex offense in a hurry in order to be effective. Either way we're waiting on a WR to get up to speed whether its from injury or to learn a new system. I say stick with our guys. Our running game and both other facets of the game (def, st) will carry us through.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by cciowa:
what "situation". we have won four in a row,, finally figured out what we are supposed to do on offense, special teams and defense are at a very high level and we got guys on both sides of the ball coming back soon which will make us stronger... maybe i missed something but is there some "dire situation" we are in right now that calls for bold moves and trades?


Looks like you have neglected to talk about the passing game. When you have time, watch the Colts vs Seahawks game and you will have a far better idea what is required in order to beat the Seahawks.
i believe with the addition of mario and maybe crabs the passing game, which is getting better each week,,,, will be better in two months than it is now. I know good posters like you disagree and thats ok. i just do not think we are in such a dire need that we need to make some knee jerk trade . if i am wrong,, well it will not the first time and i will step up and admit it. hell i thought the niners were screwing the pooch for not signing david boston back in the day so what do i know?


Well, no doubt the passing game will be better in 2 months time with Mario and Crab back. The question is whether it will be enough ? We did have Mario (well until the Seahawks took out his ACL and PCL) and Crab last Dec and it still wasn't enough. There is no doubt in my mind we will need an additional weapon like a Josh Gordon to stand a chance especially after watching how the Colts were able to get it done. Plus 2 months will be too late if we want to beat the Seahawks at home which by the way might be the difference between winning or losing the division. Furthermore, don't forget Percy Harvin will be back in their line-up too.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Looks like you have neglected to talk about the passing game.

Right now, it seems that we have a very solid chance of making the play-offs.

We are 5-2 without our top two wide receivers from last year--Crabtree and Manningham.

Last year, Crabtree and Manningham combined for 127 receptions, 1, 554 yards, 10 touchdowns, and 78 first downs.

Getting them back, and it does look like we will be getting them back, should help our passing game.

As we get closer to the play offs, it looks like our wide receiving corps will be Crabtree, Boldin, Manningham, Patton, and Baldwin.

There are no guarantees, but writing off our play off chances does seem premature.
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Originally posted by buck:
Right now, it seems that we have a very solid chance of making the play-offs.

We are 5-2 without our top two wide receivers from last year--Crabtree and Manningham.

Last year, Crabtree and Manningham combined for 127 receptions, 1, 554 yards, 10 touchdowns, and 78 first downs.

Getting them back, and it does look like we will be getting them back, should help our passing game.

As we get closer to the play offs, it looks like our wide receiving corps will be Crabtree, Boldin, Manningham, Patton, and Baldwin.

There are no guarantees, but writing off our play off chances does seem premature.
to trade for a guy reeks of desperation and we are not desperate. we are also not giving crabs and mario a fair chance and that is not right in my opinion
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Well, no doubt the passing game will be better in 2 months time with Mario and Crab back. The question is whether it will be enough ?

The truth is that no one knows if it will be enough. The uncertainty helps make the games interesting.

I am going to sit back and enjoy the ride. It should be interesting.

Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Well, no doubt the passing game will be better in 2 months time with Mario and Crab back. The question is whether it will be enough ?

The truth is that no one knows if it will be enough. The uncertainty helps make the games interesting.

I am going to sit back and enjoy the ride. It should be interesting.


The truth is Baalke will need to make an executive decision. If he doesn't go for the trade, it will mean he believes Mario and Crab will be enough.

I don't think is enough. That's just me.