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Will Crabtree ever be this good?

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Joecool:
If Crabtree had half the QB Rice had, he would have 1200 in 2011.



I place more blame on Crabtree for his lack of production than on Smith, especially when you see other WRs like AJ Green explode with lesser QB play. Add the fact that Vernon Davis is playing just fine and you really have to reevaluate how much you want to keep blaming Smith for everything.

fun fact

in last 7 games of last season you know when they actually leanred the offense

michael crabtree averaged 520 yards or so

anyway when you convery that to 1 16 game season thats 1200 yards
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Joecool:
If Crabtree had half the QB Rice had, he would have 1200 in 2011.



I place more blame on Crabtree for his lack of production than on Smith, especially when you see other WRs like AJ Green explode with lesser QB play. Add the fact that Vernon Davis is playing just fine and you really have to reevaluate how much you want to keep blaming Smith for everything.

fun fact

in last 7 games of last season you know when they actually leanred the offense

michael crabtree averaged 520 yards or so

anyway when you convery that to 1 16 game season thats 1200 yards

fun fact....The majority of those yards came against weak NFC west opponents. Three of his 4 TD's came againts the rams. Then he disappeared in the playoffs. He was garbage all season long against playoff caliber teams.
I'm with the group of skeptics. I have a bad feeling that Crabtree is like so many gifted college athletes that rely on their superior ability at the college level to carry them, rather than a drive to continually improve (like a Rice or Craig). So, when they arrive in the NFL against equally gifted, or moreso, players, they find that their God-given talent isn't good enough. Hence, they never meet that "potential' that everyone expects. To do so, he needs to put in the extra time, and quite a bit of it. Certainly haven't seen or heard of him doing that yet and missing those OTA's, camps and preseasons didn't help. can't really blame him for his injuries, real or exagerrated, but I just don't see him ever justifying that high pick.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Joecool:
If Crabtree had half the QB Rice had, he would have 1200 in 2011.



I place more blame on Crabtree for his lack of production than on Smith, especially when you see other WRs like AJ Green explode with lesser QB play. Add the fact that Vernon Davis is playing just fine and you really have to reevaluate how much you want to keep blaming Smith for everything.

fun fact

in last 7 games of last season you know when they actually leanred the offense

michael crabtree averaged 520 yards or so

anyway when you convery that to 1 16 game season thats 1200 yards

fun fact....The majority of those yards came against weak NFC west opponents. Three of his 4 TD's came againts the rams. Then he disappeared in the playoffs. He was garbage all season long against playoff caliber teams.

It certainly seems that way... Wouldn't say he was garbage the rest of the other games, but majority of his 'good' stats seems to be against the West in later half of the season.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Joecool:
If Crabtree had half the QB Rice had, he would have 1200 in 2011.



I place more blame on Crabtree for his lack of production than on Smith, especially when you see other WRs like AJ Green explode with lesser QB play. Add the fact that Vernon Davis is playing just fine and you really have to reevaluate how much you want to keep blaming Smith for everything.

fun fact

in last 7 games of last season you know when they actually leanred the offense

michael crabtree averaged 520 yards or so

anyway when you convery that to 1 16 game season thats 1200 yards

fun fact....The majority of those yards came against weak NFC west opponents. Three of his 4 TD's came againts the rams. Then he disappeared in the playoffs. He was garbage all season long against playoff caliber teams.

Did he disappear or did the coverage just get a little tighter. Tight enough for Alex to go like this: "Sorry bro, I don't make those types of throws." You need to go to CIN if you want a QB that will allow the WR to make some tough catches.

If you hadn't seen, Crabtree does fight for the ball very well if the coverage is tight. Most of his drops have been more from the wide open ones (which WR's have a tendency to do).
Originally posted by Joecool:
Did he disappear or did the coverage just get a little tighter. Tight enough for Alex to go like this: "Sorry bro, I don't make those types of throws." You need to go to CIN if you want a QB that will allow the WR to make some tough catches.

If you hadn't seen, Crabtree does fight for the ball very well if the coverage is tight. Most of his drops have been more from the wide open ones (which WR's have a tendency to do).

If that's his tendency what make you think Smith would trust him to catch a tight coverage ones. Trust. All QB has it with certain WR and not much with others.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Did he disappear or did the coverage just get a little tighter. Tight enough for Alex to go like this: "Sorry bro, I don't make those types of throws." You need to go to CIN if you want a QB that will allow the WR to make some tough catches.

If you hadn't seen, Crabtree does fight for the ball very well if the coverage is tight. Most of his drops have been more from the wide open ones (which WR's have a tendency to do).

W...T....F?


So..."don't trust me on the easy throws bro...ONLY the super hard ones....THEN you can trust me..."

Originally posted by Joecool:
Did he disappear or did the coverage just get a little tighter. Tight enough for Alex to go like this: "Sorry bro, I don't make those types of throws." You need to go to CIN if you want a QB that will allow the WR to make some tough catches.

If you hadn't seen, Crabtree does fight for the ball very well if the coverage is tight. Most of his drops have been more from the wide open ones (which WR's have a tendency to do).

according to matt barrows matt miacco tim k(who hates alex btw) ray rotto (doesnt like alex either) matt millen it was because he didnt get open not because of tight windows
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Joecool:
If Crabtree had half the QB Rice had, he would have 1200 in 2011.



I place more blame on Crabtree for his lack of production than on Smith, especially when you see other WRs like AJ Green explode with lesser QB play. Add the fact that Vernon Davis is playing just fine and you really have to reevaluate how much you want to keep blaming Smith for everything.

fun fact

in last 7 games of last season you know when they actually leanred the offense

michael crabtree averaged 520 yards or so

anyway when you convery that to 1 16 game season thats 1200 yards

fun fact....The majority of those yards came against weak NFC west opponents. Three of his 4 TD's came againts the rams. Then he disappeared in the playoffs. He was garbage all season long against playoff caliber teams.

Did he disappear or did the coverage just get a little tighter. Tight enough for Alex to go like this: "Sorry bro, I don't make those types of throws." You need to go to CIN if you want a QB that will allow the WR to make some tough catches.

If you hadn't seen, Crabtree does fight for the ball very well if the coverage is tight. Most of his drops have been more from the wide open ones (which WR's have a tendency to do).

Sorry Joe. He got shut down by anyone and everyone who doesn't play for the rams or not named peterson.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Joecool:
If Crabtree had half the QB Rice had, he would have 1200 in 2011.



I place more blame on Crabtree for his lack of production than on Smith, especially when you see other WRs like AJ Green explode with lesser QB play. Add the fact that Vernon Davis is playing just fine and you really have to reevaluate how much you want to keep blaming Smith for everything.

fun fact

in last 7 games of last season you know when they actually leanred the offense

michael crabtree averaged 520 yards or so

anyway when you convery that to 1 16 game season thats 1200 yards

fun fact....The majority of those yards came against weak NFC west opponents. Three of his 4 TD's came againts the rams. Then he disappeared in the playoffs. He was garbage all season long against playoff caliber teams.

Did he disappear or did the coverage just get a little tighter. Tight enough for Alex to go like this: "Sorry bro, I don't make those types of throws." You need to go to CIN if you want a QB that will allow the WR to make some tough catches.

If you hadn't seen, Crabtree does fight for the ball very well if the coverage is tight. Most of his drops have been more from the wide open ones (which WR's have a tendency to do).

Sorry Joe. He got shut down by anyone and everyone who doesn't play for the rams or not named peterson.

And Alex is well known for throwing into tight windows. [sarcasm meter must be on in order to properly comprehend this message]

Let's just say they both have something to prove.
[ Edited by Joecool on Apr 19, 2012 at 12:51 PM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
And Alex is well known for throwing into tight windows. [sarcasm meter must be on in order to properly comprehend this message]

Let's just say they both have something to prove.

he did it a lot to vernon during the playoffs
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by Joecool:
And Alex is well known for throwing into tight windows. [sarcasm meter must be on in order to properly comprehend this message]

Let's just say they both have something to prove.

he did it a lot to vernon during the playoffs

And Crabtree did a lot during the season. Can't deny the production he got from only being thrown to 80 times which is far less then most of the top 10 WR's in the NFL.

And he didn't do it a lot to Vernon. Most, if not all, were over the top type passes, not tight windows.
Second season under Roman, the entire offense will improve. Teams could take Crabtree out of the game, especially once Morgan went down. He was the only WR teams had to take away. He's not a superhuman athlete like Megatron, Superman or Fitz, he doesn't have their measurables and never will. He is and will continue to be a good wideout. Now teams have to worry about Mario, Randy and Crabs, plus our beast TEs. Our WRs will get more open looks this year, Crabs should flourish as long as he puts the work in. I hope Moss at least provides the deep threat required to open up all the underneath stuff that Crabs lived off of in college.
Crabs can be as good as Boldin. The similarities are definitely there in terms of style of play. Health has been the main issue.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by Joecool:
And Alex is well known for throwing into tight windows. [sarcasm meter must be on in order to properly comprehend this message]

Let's just say they both have something to prove.

he did it a lot to vernon during the playoffs

And Crabtree did a lot during the season. Can't deny the production he got from only being thrown to 80 times which is far less then most of the top 10 WR's in the NFL.

And he didn't do it a lot to Vernon. Most, if not all, were over the top type passes, not tight windows.

Sounds like a whole bunch of nothing that you can't prove.