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Poll: Peyton or Alex?

Poll: Peyton or Alex?

I'm on board for Peyton.
Originally posted by 49erJim:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by socalniner:
Peyton or Alex? You mean which QB is likely to survive an entire season behind our hideous O-Line? Alex hands down

Oline aint that bad, Alex holds the ball a lot longer and takes more sacks then he should.

this is sooo true, Manning moves around and gets rid of the ball way better and faster then Alex Smith, are we the only two who see this?


Manning doesn't move around faster than Alex. His pocket movement is better but that's about it. Alex is way more athletic and durable than him at this point in Peyton's career.
I've been an Alex Smith supporter, but if its between a fully healthy Manning and the Alex Smith, of course it would have to be Manning. My only concern of course is his health.

Another concern is if we don't get Manning and Smith leaves as well, then we're screwed. :(
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by KID9R:
Archie Manning, Dan Marino, Boomer

Marino
Mark Clayton

Boomer
Cris Collinsworth
Eddie Brown

Archie wasn't great

jeff what is your point? You think Alex Smith is better then Manning now? You would rather have Alex Smith as your QB then Manning? With Alex Smith as our 2012 qb the 49ers might not even get to the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP game again. Manning season in and season out can take you there, and he has never had an defense like ours. Is it the money or Manning age or both?
1. Latest QB ratings PM91.9/AS90.7delta1.2. Cost PM 90M/5 years/61.8 in first 2 years/30m guaranteed, AS half that at 45-50M/5 years, and less than half that guaranteed. 2. Alex healthy, Manning not. 3. At the end, we will have about 45M against the cap for a stronger roster with AS, a certainty, while we may get an extra SB with Manning, far from certain. Worth it? Maybe.
Originally posted by KID9R:
Originally posted by BSofSF:
Originally posted by KID9R:
Originally posted by BSofSF:
Originally posted by KID9R:
Originally posted by BSofSF:
A 28 year old Alex Smith will be comparable in production to a 36 year old Peyton Manning and will cost less than half the price. And if he backslides, why did we just trade picks to move up for Kaepernick? I thought the whole plan with the front office was that they were not trying to capture lightning in a bottle, but were building for a long, sustained run. Overpaying for Manning seems a little impulsive for a team as solid as the Niners. Manning is overrated at this point in his career. There, I said it.

Then why offer Alex a contract at all? Alex for three years or Manning for three years? A just comparing Alex's production to Mamming's is laughable.

Your response is incomprehensible. At 36 years of age, and after several neck surgeries, Manning is over the hill. At this point in his career he's a marginal upgrade over Alex Smith coming into his prime years, given age and health. Prime v. Prime, Manning is clearly the better player and one of the greats. But Manning was declining before his injury. He certainly looked like no Superman when the Niners confused and pressured him all day in 2010. He is not worth mortgaging the future for and it would be a mistake. This whole story is total media generated hyperbole that Manning and his agent, Condon, are lapping up because it will drive his price throught the stratosphere.


"Smith coming into his prime" going into his what 8th year! lol

"Marginal Upgrade" you know we were 29th in passing last year right?

How was Manning declining exactly?

Didn't he win that game that he looked confused in?

And we're not mortgaging the future, CK ethier learns behind Alex or Manning

Mannings best years statistically were his 7th - 9th year in the league -- based on QB rating and Super Bowl win in 2006. Alex Smith is coming into his 7th season, which corresponds with Manning's prime. Mannings's QB rating in his last healthy season in 2010 was 91.9. Alex Smith's QB rating last year was 90.7. I think Manning's trajectory is downward, which is borne out by a generally declining QB rating since his prime in years 7-9, though still very good numbers. Factor in the age and neck surgeries, you have to expect his production to drop from his prior stats, especially considering the Niners don't have top tier receivers and prefer to run the ball. So, is Manning clutch? Playoff record is 7-10. One SB win, one loss. Game winning drives in playoff appearances - 1. He is consistently good in the regular season, not as good in the playoffs, and his numbers are in decline with age and serious injuries. Juxtapose Alex Smith, at 28, in a system he's comfortable with and a good coach, who has demonstrated an ability to win playoff games and pull out clutch wins throughout the season. If there is an edge to Manning at this point, it is marginal, and certainly not worth an extra $30-40 Million cap hit. Oh, and that winning TD thrown in 2010 was chucked by the running back on a gimmick play after we owned Manning all day.


Manning has been in his prime since 1999. Just because his stats were ridiculously good in year 7-9 doesn't mean he was any less dominant. Tom Brady's best year was in 2007, that doesn't mean he's still not in his prime. And if Alex's prime is 17 TD's and 29th in passing, ya I'll pass. I love Alex but come on don't let hommerism get in the way of logic. And Manning has never had a defence like ours and the last time his running game was as good, he won a Superbowl.

Come on...Alex was the 9th rated passer last year!!! The team was 29th in passing YARDS...Offensive philosophy.
Originally posted by niner559:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by 49erJim:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by jreff22:
susexcuses

Jeff just answer this question

Who is the better QB Alex or Peyton ?


Just a simple answer

Can anyone answer that if you mean better QB next year? Seriously no one knows how Peyton will hold up next year after his injury and surgery or how he will throw. Or what Smith will do after being in the same offense for the first time in his career.

trust me If the 49ers cleared him now and liked what they saw he will be 10 times better then Alex Smith.
All these teams after him obviously think he's healthy.

The Colts sure didn't think so...

Yah but their situation is different they are rebuilding with Luck. Peyton wanted no part in that.
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by KID9R:
Archie Manning, Dan Marino, Boomer

Marino
Mark Clayton

Boomer
Cris Collinsworth
Eddie Brown

Archie wasn't great


Cris Collinsworth and Eddie Brown? you're reaching big time.
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by niner559:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by 49erJim:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by jreff22:
susexcuses

Jeff just answer this question

Who is the better QB Alex or Peyton ?


Just a simple answer

Can anyone answer that if you mean better QB next year? Seriously no one knows how Peyton will hold up next year after his injury and surgery or how he will throw. Or what Smith will do after being in the same offense for the first time in his career.

trust me If the 49ers cleared him now and liked what they saw he will be 10 times better then Alex Smith.
All these teams after him obviously think he's healthy.

The Colts sure didn't think so...

Yah but their situation is different they are rebuilding with Luck. Peyton wanted no part in that.

they also had to make a $28 mil dollar payment just to keep him on the team. No one would have done that.
Originally posted by KID9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by KID9R:
Archie Manning, Dan Marino, Boomer

Marino
Mark Clayton

Boomer
Cris Collinsworth
Eddie Brown

Archie wasn't great


Cris Collinsworth and Eddie Brown? you're reaching big time.

Eddie Brown only had one 1000 yard season.
Peyton Manning. No question about it.

Manning makes everyone around him better. WR's, TE's, OL, RB's, everyone. We are comparing one of the top 3 QB's in NFL history to Alex Smith. This is a joke...and I'm a fan of Alex.

Having said that, I won't get my hopes up. I don't think Manning will sign here. I think the 49ers have legitimate interest, but they are not aggressively pursuing him like DEN or TEN. I think Harbaugh and Baalke told Manning what they can offer, and left it at that. They won't get into a bidding war. This is just a way for Tom Condon to get the Broncos or Titans to sweeten their deals, and expedite Smith's re-signing with the 49ers.
Originally posted by KID9R:
Cris Collinsworth and Eddie Brown? you're reaching big time.

Collinsworth was a 3 time pro bowl WR. Eddie Brown was the AFC offensive rookie of the year and also went to the pro bowl. They were both very good WRs during their day.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by 49erJim:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by socalniner:
Peyton or Alex? You mean which QB is likely to survive an entire season behind our hideous O-Line? Alex hands down

Oline aint that bad, Alex holds the ball a lot longer and takes more sacks then he should.

this is sooo true, Manning moves around and gets rid of the ball way better and faster then Alex Smith, are we the only two who see this?


Manning doesn't move around faster than Alex. His pocket movement is better but that's about it. Alex is way more athletic and durable than him at this point in Peyton's career.

Manning moves much better in the pocket then Alex "head lights" Smith. Maybe he does not run as fast as Manning. And he sure does not have a faster relese then Manning. And he can't pass. I don't see Alex Smith leading any team to a Superbowl. Hes had his chances, times up.
Originally posted by 49erJim:
just one problem, Alex Smith can't toss the rock and Manning can. I rather have Manning with a broken leg and hand then Alex Smith....

Manning is good, but your hatred of Smith is irrational. Smith did a nice job last year. At his age and experience, his trajectory is about to cross Peyton Mannings. Manning is a very good regular season statistical player, excellent in fantasy, but a Super Bowl is by no means the guaranteed result of his signing. His teams have been one and done in seven years he has led them to the playoffs. He has led one come-from-behind win in 19 postseason games.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1107466-peyton-manning-risk-or-reward