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Deal Done for Ahmad Brooks (6yr @ $44.5 million)

Originally posted by BrianGO:
I am thrilled that we still have Brooks. But surprised that we are willing to put that much money into our linebackers (who will be the best in the game by FAR, for YEARS).

I can't imagine how we're going to pay Rogers now. If we pay him what he wants, we aren't going to sign any big free agents. IMO, cornerbacks are overpaid in the modern NFL.
I think our team is really high on Culliver and Brown. I think Rogers will test the waters, and be a little bit surprised. Then maybe he works out something reasonable with us.

I'm guessing this is our FOs strategy; Lock up high quality elite players that play "non-superstar" positions and just get quality players for the superstar position. That's the only way to manage the cap in todays NFL. Thats why I dont see us going big at QB, WR or CB. Willis and Davis didn't have contracts that would bankrupt us. And positions that are highly paid, I think you'll see us offer extensions early (i.e...Staley).
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Aldon: Anyway, like I was sayin', shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That- that's about it.

Brooks:
At least 10 of 11 starters back on D. These guys will be kickin some major a*** next season.
Originally posted by goldstandard333:
Originally posted by andes14:
Honestly, it's not even gonna be easy to list guys with a lot of you because the CORE problem at hand is you guys are overrating Brooks. He is not a star, but you guys think he is one. Hell on our defense alone, it'd hurt more to lose J. Smith, A. Smith, Willis, Bowman, Rogers, Goldson, and even McDonald, Sopoaga, and T. Brown are debatable. But I bet most of you think Brooks is a top-5 OLB in the entire NFL or something, so unless I say someone who is super elite, you will just say that Brooks is better anyways.
He's not a star. He's a guy who does everything very well. That's something not as easily replaceable as you might think. He's not Aldon, he'll never have huge sack totals, but that's not the player we need him to be. He's not a star, but he's under rated because of the talent around him. This defense would be losing a lot if he left.

A star? Who is a star at the SAM position in the league? If andes14 (disguised Lawson-lover) is accurate that we overpaid him, he'll need to show some stats/contract numbers to make this claim.

I, like Brooks, thought he s/h/b starting two years ago but unfortunately we had incompetent coaches (as he also noted) who were unwilling to let a player develop ON the field and make a mistake here and there while they grew in the process under proper coaching (see also, McDonald, Brown, Culliver, Bowman, etc). But things happen for a reason.

Brooks was selected as an alternate pro-bowler who has produced every time he's been asked to be on the field and in every position (WILL/SAM/TED/DE/DT) and provides the two key responsibilities of a SAM...pass rush production (8 sacks and 3rd in hits/hurries with 43) en route to sealing the edge (#1 in TFL and 6th in tackles) and this year, he was even better in underneath and outside coverage (he could have used some help on inside and over-the-top coverage to boot). He's always been a great athlete and good in coverage...in fact, b/c so many think Lawson is tremendous in coverage, over their respective careers, Brooks has 1 INT (for a TD) and 9 PD while Lawson has 2 to 17. Now how many more snaps did Lawson get over his 6 year career compared to Brooks? Bingo!

Brooks also has 7 FF's for us including 5 in 2009 and another last year (sack/fumble). You are not going to find a more complete SAM in the 3-4 and esp. at this price (signing bonus)! But the thing I like most about Brooks is that he does all the little things (intangibles), the Justin-Smith like things that lead to huge plays for this defense via INT's, making a critical stop on 3rd down, ensuring an incomplete pass that would have gone for a TD and he does this all with character and class (no show-boating). He's just the blue-collar worker like Justin Smith who is finally starting to get the credit it took Justin Smith to get after all these years.

Equally important is that Brooks pressure comes from the strong side and in plain sight of the QB (not the blind side). 8 sacks from this position along with 43 pressures/hurries is remarkable esp. in his first year. The strong side is the side of the field the TE usually lines up on (to block or flair out) and the RB/FB is looking to pound or be an extra blocker. This means Brooks is often facing not only a RT but a TE and RB while pass rushes while always having to seal the edge and be mindful of the screen passes. And how did we do against the screen passes this year fellas, compared to last year? To me, this is equally as impressive as 14 sacks off the bench. But Brooks did this all with McDonald hurt or not healthy 100% of the time, while taking on the double teams (see playoffs too) and not over Justin Smith over on the weak side.

These plays lead to the secondary being able to take more risks, play tighter and be more physical and undercut routes b/c they know the pressure is not only getting there but is RIGHT IN THE FACE of the QB which leads to critical TO's. Baalke gets it...you take care of your front 7 b/c they will take care of your back end. We were carved up all year in yardage allowed but the front 7 shut down the run completely and was even more effective in the RZ which allowed the back end to clamp down even more and only give up FG's and garner 48 take-aways.

But the bottom line is, when you run a 3-4, your 4 LBers are critical and when you have a SAM/WILL who can produce between them, 24 sacks and close to 90 hits/pressures/hurries and who also contributed to a record-breaking run-defense while playing straight up for the entire year d/t the paired-down playbook and factor in their age and durability and upside, you do whatever it takes to keep them together and build off that chemistry. Period.

And Brooks signed a fair deal and had no intentions to be anything other than a Niner. Now quit your whining and enjoy the moment! Great work FO!
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 29, 2012 at 8:31 AM ]
Nice post NC. This is going to be a D for the ages this year (touch wood on injuries).
Originally posted by English:
Nice post NC. This is going to be a D for the ages this year (touch wood on injuries).

Oh I did! Haha. This year we should have more quality backups but yeah, let's pray for no injuries to any of our critical players.

And thank you guys!
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 29, 2012 at 8:53 AM ]
Great post NCommand.
Great signing, I need to see Josh Morgan and Goldson next...

You guys b***hing on here, obviously can not see the importance of this signing. Smith/Brooks are viable to what we do in a 3-4 and 17 mil guaranteed in 6 years is an awesome contract. If he fills his incentives then the man deserves to be paid obviously..
Those of you who think we overpaid..... relax.



























Paraag's got this
this year will tell alot about his character, last year was a contract year for him.. same with goldson we all remember how he acted a year ago, hes always been one of my fav 49ers in this era because of his style of play but i do believe he tried to test FA for more money and then no one wanted him so he settled back with us and had a huge year.. just hope they all continue to play at the style they did last year.
this year will tell alot about his character, last year was a contract year for him.. same with goldson we all remember how he acted a year ago, hes always been one of my fav 49ers in this era because of his style of play but i do believe he tried to test FA for more money and then no one wanted him so he settled back with us and had a huge year.. just hope they all continue to play at the style they did last year.
I took the rest of the night off from this conversation but it appears the same peeps are still at it...LOL!!

I keep reading that "Brooks was paid like a star and he's not" or "there is no sense arguing because you think he is a star and I don't".

Who said I though he was a star? I think he is a good contributer to the team on a D that set records. If you don't think teams would clamor for him in Free Agency in hopes of picking up a bit of that mojo, you're crazy (see Brown, Larry and Howard, Desmond.....and Wilkins, Gabe). With such an empty cupboard of OLBs available, he would have gotten crazy offers. Signing him to HUGE, HUGE $$$$ would have been a mistake for those teams, so the 49ers had to decide how high they were willing to go before they let the crazy market claim him.

Andes14, you don't seem to be getting this. Someone listed 3 players who are making more $$$ both in bonus and yearly salary over a shorter contract term. It can be argued that perhaps they are better or not, but the point is that they make MORE money with MORE guaranteed for SIMILAR performance on OLDER contracts. They are not STAR players. Brooks makes LESS than them.

Brooks isn't being paid like a star. Hell, Nate Clement was a star when he signed in SF. He got 20 mil guaranteed and a 10 mil per year average (even tho it was kinda bogus) and that was what, 4 or 5 years ago?

The market moves. The money that used to indicate "star player" is now put on "good player".

Star Player? Wait till FA begins and we realize just how low Brooks is on the totem pole.

You think the issue is all of us over-valuing Brooks. I think the issue is that you are underestimating the entire market.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Feb 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM ]
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Originally posted by BrianGO:
I am thrilled that we still have Brooks. But surprised that we are willing to put that much money into our linebackers (who will be the best in the game by FAR, for YEARS).

I can't imagine how we're going to pay Rogers now. If we pay him what he wants, we aren't going to sign any big free agents. IMO, cornerbacks are overpaid in the modern NFL.
I think our team is really high on Culliver and Brown. I think Rogers will test the waters, and be a little bit surprised. Then maybe he works out something reasonable with us.
we were not going to sign any big names free agents anyway. when was the last time we did that?signing big names free agents is always over rated
Originally posted by NCommand:
A star? Who is a star at the SAM position in the league? If andes14 (disguised Lawson-lover) is accurate that we overpaid him, he'll need to show some stats/contract numbers to make this claim.

I, like Brooks, thought he s/h/b starting two years ago but unfortunately we had incompetent coaches (as he also noted) who were unwilling to let a player develop ON the field and make a mistake here and there while they grew in the process under proper coaching (see also, McDonald, Brown, Culliver, Bowman, etc). But things happen for a reason.

Brooks was selected as an alternate pro-bowler who has produced every time he's been asked to be on the field and in every position (WILL/SAM/TED/DE/DT) and provides the two key responsibilities of a SAM...pass rush production (8 sacks and 3rd in hits/hurries with 43) en route to sealing the edge (#1 in TFL and 6th in tackles) and this year, he was even better in underneath and outside coverage (he could have used some help on inside and over-the-top coverage to boot). He's always been a great athlete and good in coverage...in fact, b/c so many think Lawson is tremendous in coverage, over their respective careers, Brooks has 1 INT (for a TD) and 9 PD while Lawson has 2 to 17. Now how many more snaps did Lawson get over his 6 year career compared to Brooks? Bingo!

Brooks also has 7 FF's for us including 5 in 2009 and another last year (sack/fumble). You are not going to find a more complete SAM in the 3-4 and esp. at this price (signing bonus)! But the thing I like most about Brooks is that he does all the little things (intangibles), the Justin-Smith like things that lead to huge plays for this defense via INT's, making a critical stop on 3rd down, ensuring an incomplete pass that would have gone for a TD and he does this all with character and class (no show-boating). He's just the blue-collar worker like Justin Smith who is finally starting to get the credit it took Justin Smith to get after all these years.

Equally important is that Brooks pressure comes from the strong side and in plain sight of the QB (not the blind side). 8 sacks from this position along with 43 pressures/hurries is remarkable esp. in his first year. The strong side is the side of the field the TE usually lines up on (to block or flair out) and the RB/FB is looking to pound or be an extra blocker. This means Brooks is often facing not only a RT but a TE and RB while pass rushes while always having to seal the edge and be mindful of the screen passes. And how did we do against the screen passes this year fellas, compared to last year? To me, this is equally as impressive as 14 sacks off the bench. But Brooks did this all with McDonald hurt or not healthy 100% of the time, while taking on the double teams (see playoffs too) and not over Justin Smith over on the weak side.

These plays lead to the secondary being able to take more risks, play tighter and be more physical and undercut routes b/c they know the pressure is not only getting there but is RIGHT IN THE FACE of the QB which leads to critical TO's. Baalke gets it...you take care of your front 7 b/c they will take care of your back end. We were carved up all year in yardage allowed but the front 7 shut down the run completely and was even more effective in the RZ which allowed the back end to clamp down even more and only give up FG's and garner 48 take-aways.

But the bottom line is, when you run a 3-4, your 4 LBers are critical and when you have a SAM/WILL who can produce between them, 24 sacks and close to 90 hits/pressures/hurries and who also contributed to a record-breaking run-defense while playing straight up for the entire year d/t the paired-down playbook and factor in their age and durability and upside, you do whatever it takes to keep them together and build off that chemistry. Period.

And Brooks signed a fair deal and had no intentions to be anything other than a Niner. Now quit your whining and enjoy the moment! Great work FO!
This might be the very BEST POST of yours that I've ever read!!

What a great read.

Thank you.