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If the 49ers can't reach a deal and franchise Goldson, what is his trade value?

Tag value on safeties is about 6.4 mil tag value on CB's is about 10.8 mil
Like I said 5 years 32.5 is probably what he's looking for. It's top 5 safety money, he's young and is a playmaker. We've had trouble at the safety spot in the past and somebody will pay this man if we don't. He rejected 5 mill a year 6-6.5 should do it after his great year his value has only gone up. Question is whether the niners value him that highly.
Dj, true SS are not as valuable as CB, but I would make an exception in Goldson's case, in that the guy plays like a corner, and hits like a freight train...plus he can cover. Dj, in this case i would pay the man...and a multi yr at that.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Dj, true SS are not as valuable as CB, but I would make an exception in Goldson's case, in that the guy plays like a corner, and hits like a freight train...plus he can cover. Dj, in this case i would pay the man...and a multi yr at that.

to a certain extent I agree but it would only be a 3 year at the most just like with Alex wanting a 5 year after 1 amazing season just not ready to commit to either player for 5 or more years.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Dj, true SS are not as valuable as CB, but I would make an exception in Goldson's case, in that the guy plays like a corner, and hits like a freight train...plus he can cover. Dj, in this case i would pay the man...and a multi yr at that.

he'll sweep your back porch, and he can passsss
Originally posted by GoldenJoe:
Like I said 5 years 32.5 is probably what he's looking for. It's top 5 safety money, he's young and is a playmaker. We've had trouble at the safety spot in the past and somebody will pay this man if we don't. He rejected 5 mill a year 6-6.5 should do it after his great year his value has only gone up. Question is whether the niners value him that highly.

Like I said earlier, I would give Goldson the same deal Whitner got last year (3.75 to 4 million a year deal). The only difference is I might give him a four year deal the same amount of money per year. Goldson had a real good year last year because of the sum of part around him. I don't consider him to be an elite FS. Goldson tested the market last year and no one was willing to give him anything close to 5 million a year deal last year, why should the 49ers give him a 5 year deal this year?
franchise Goldson, sign Rogers to 3 years, sign larry grant, Brooks, draft another DE, a cb---WR in round 1, rb, TE ( freener in round 1 if available)--win the Super Bowl 3 of the next 5 seasons
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Like I said earlier, I would give Goldson the same deal Whitner got last year (3.75 to 4 million a year deal). The only difference is I might give him a four year deal the same amount of money per year. Goldson had a real good year last year because of the sum of part around him. I don't consider him to be an elite FS. Goldson tested the market last year and no one was willing to give him anything close to 5 million a year deal last year, why should the 49ers give him a 5 year deal this year?

Well in large part because they offered him 5 million last year and he just came off the best year of his career. His agent can easily point out that the niners valued him at 5 million last year and coming off his best season his value should climb accordingly. I'm not saying it's sound logic but Goldson took 2 million for one season instead of 5 for the next 5 seasons in large part because he probably wanted to test FA. The guy clearly wants to get paid and the niners were willing to bank 25 million on him last year. Now he's made the pro bowl and had his best season, he will argue that he is now worth more to us than he was last year and it's a valid argument. He's better than Whitner in my eyes. We try to work out a deal if we don't we franchise and see how he plays.
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Like I said earlier, I would give Goldson the same deal Whitner got last year (3.75 to 4 million a year deal). The only difference is I might give him a four year deal the same amount of money per year. Goldson had a real good year last year because of the sum of part around him. I don't consider him to be an elite FS. Goldson tested the market last year and no one was willing to give him anything close to 5 million a year deal last year, why should the 49ers give him a 5 year deal this year?

Well in large part because they offered him 5 million last year and he just came off the best year of his career. His agent can easily point out that the niners valued him at 5 million last year and coming off his best season his value should climb accordingly. I'm not saying it's sound logic but Goldson took 2 million for one season instead of 5 for the next 5 seasons in large part because he probably wanted to test FA. The guy clearly wants to get paid and the niners were willing to bank 25 million on him last year. Now he's made the pro bowl and had his best season, he will argue that he is now worth more to us than he was last year and it's a valid argument. He's better than Whitner in my eyes. We try to work out a deal if we don't we franchise and see how he plays.
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Originally posted by GoldenJoe:
Like I said 5 years 32.5 is probably what he's looking for. It's top 5 safety money, he's young and is a playmaker. We've had trouble at the safety spot in the past and somebody will pay this man if we don't. He rejected 5 mill a year 6-6.5 should do it after his great year his value has only gone up. Question is whether the niners value him that highly.

Like I said earlier, I would give Goldson the same deal Whitner got last year (3.75 to 4 million a year deal). The only difference is I might give him a four year deal the same amount of money per year. Goldson had a real good year last year because of the sum of part around him. I don't consider him to be an elite FS. Goldson tested the market last year and no one was willing to give him anything close to 5 million a year deal last year, why should the 49ers give him a 5 year deal this year?

Dude was going f**king beast mode this year, you not watching games or something?
Originally posted by Godsleftsock:
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Originally posted by GoldenJoe:
Like I said 5 years 32.5 is probably what he's looking for. It's top 5 safety money, he's young and is a playmaker. We've had trouble at the safety spot in the past and somebody will pay this man if we don't. He rejected 5 mill a year 6-6.5 should do it after his great year his value has only gone up. Question is whether the niners value him that highly.

Like I said earlier, I would give Goldson the same deal Whitner got last year (3.75 to 4 million a year deal). The only difference is I might give him a four year deal the same amount of money per year. Goldson had a real good year last year because of the sum of part around him. I don't consider him to be an elite FS. Goldson tested the market last year and no one was willing to give him anything close to 5 million a year deal last year, why should the 49ers give him a 5 year deal this year?

Dude was going f**king beast mode this year, you not watching games or something?

he has to work on wrapping up and tackling though thats my only knock on him and his only weakness
Once franchised, he can't be traded. You franchise a player because you want to keep him for a year to try and work out a long-term deal.
Originally posted by Wewillwin:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Nothing he's a free agent


Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
I think he means if we slap the franchise tag on him
Again, nothing, 0. If he's franchised his trade value won't be assessed until the 2013 season as. I don't know of a team franchising a player them trading that player in the same season.

No team is stupid enough to trade for a huge 1 year franchise contract while also likely giving up multiple draft picks.

I do not know where all of the 49ers fans with any sort of contract knowledge are in this thread. Both Dashon and Carlos have a great trade value right now, they are both in the top 5 in their position right now, if not better. If we knew we could not sign them both to long-term contracts due to money issues, we could definitely sign one, and franchise and trade the other. Plenty of teams do this thing every single year with great players (although i did read in a forum that in the new cba, you can't franchise a player and trade him but I could not find any evidence of that elsewhere)

Goldson's value is probably around 7-8mil/year right now while Rogers is at 9-10/mil year (at least for both of them). These types of players don't go on the market very often, and we could definitely, imo at least, get a 2nd rounder for either, and more likely a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th.

If you were the Saints, would you trade a 2nd round pick for one month of negotiating rights? These guys are free agents and can walk in March anyways....the risk is so high it reduces the return the 9ers could get.
Originally posted by Godsleftsock:
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Originally posted by GoldenJoe:
Like I said 5 years 32.5 is probably what he's looking for. It's top 5 safety money, he's young and is a playmaker. We've had trouble at the safety spot in the past and somebody will pay this man if we don't. He rejected 5 mill a year 6-6.5 should do it after his great year his value has only gone up. Question is whether the niners value him that highly.

Like I said earlier, I would give Goldson the same deal Whitner got last year (3.75 to 4 million a year deal). The only difference is I might give him a four year deal the same amount of money per year. Goldson had a real good year last year because of the sum of part around him. I don't consider him to be an elite FS. Goldson tested the market last year and no one was willing to give him anything close to 5 million a year deal last year, why should the 49ers give him a 5 year deal this year?

Dude was going f**king beast mode this year, you not watching games or something?
The 49ers can't pay all our players top salary at their position. Goldson had one good year and now you want to play him like he's Ed Reed? I'm not sure what Patrick Willis and Justin Smith's number are, but you want to give Goldson a similar deal to those two? According to another thread Willis and Smith are due 6+ million next year. If you play Goldson 5+ million a year what are you going to play both of your corners? IF NaVorro Bowman continues to ball like he did this year he's going to want at least what you paid Goldson.
[ Edited by TXNinerFan52 on Feb 1, 2012 at 9:34 AM ]
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Once franchised, he can't be traded. You franchise a player because you want to keep him for a year to try and work out a long-term deal.


Again it is semantics, I am sure the OP meant compensation. Once Franchised if another team makes Goldson an offer, the niners can match or lose him and gain draft picks. Call it what you want compensation, trade value, the Packers will do the same thing with Matt Flynn.