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Assessing Receivers and the OL: We NEED Upgrades

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Basically to break it down simply:

Players that can be replaced / upgraded over: C Goodwin, OG Rachal, OG/C Snyder, WR Ginn, TE Walker, TE Byham.

Now don't get me wrong, I like some of the things some of these players can do for us, but I would welcome a better player obviously, and won't ignore the fact that we could upgrade.

If we draft a starter worthy center, Goodwin could actually slide to RG if Kilgore isn't ready yet.


Agree...my motto is: upgrade anytime, anywhere you can. Great coaches and GMs are sometimes called cold because they cut guys before they are done but better too early than too late. Of course, I would have a hard time doing that because it often means cutting a guy like Gore who is a big part of the heart of this team. Walsh said goodbye to many of my favorite 9ers because they were on the downside of their careers.

The 9ers aren't really to this point except for Goodwin, who isn't that established in SF. I had heard, around TC time, that Kilgore was being considered at center...any news of that? He has the nasty temperment for the job. Not sure Goodwin would be better than Snyder at RG. Snyder has more versatility, which is valuable.

Gore worries me but he's been exceeding my expectations for years now and I guess they could draft another every down back to sit and learn behind him. As impressed as I have been with Hunter I'm not sure he is gong to replace gore down the road.

It is exciting to think of Baalke having another off-season like the last one. If he hits in the draft as he did last year where almost every player was a value (missed on Johnson ) this team will be incredibly solid.

This year is EXTREMELY poor for RBs. You've seen a ton of underclassmen declare because so far there is not a single 1st-round worthy RB that is a senior entering the draft. Even among the underclassmen, I still see no 1st-round caliber guys. 2nd round sure. But not first.

If we want another RB, let Gore play one more year, and draft one in 2013 if we don't think Hunter can get it done. The crop then will be OUTSANDING. (Richardson, Montee Ball, David Wilson, Coker, Le'Veon Bell.. to name a few). This is not the year to rush for a RB. No way. We have a very good stable we can rely on for one more year.
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Originally posted by Natewillis2252:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Yeah, that's why I put the "+" symbol. I did the math before, but couldn't remember the exact numbers.

Kid had been straight ballin'!

I think he has the potential to be a top 5 WR. Yes, even with Alex Smith at QB.

Couldn't help yourself could you.

What? Trying to circumvent the obvious retort?

Rachal - Garbage. Get him off the team.


Yes! Please PLEASE get rid of him
To me fixing the WRs is easy lol just sign Bowe. He's a great WR. Pair him next to Crabs watch out!
I love Crabs as the number one he's like VD he can ball he just needs the damn ball.

Crabs #1
Bowe #2
Jmo/Kwill #3
Jmo/ Kwill #4
Teddy Ginn #5 ( situation threat)

To me that's a pretty decent lineup
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
IMHO, Crabtree is okay but not playing up to his pick status. We need a all-hands, money, can get it done even when he's double-covered, and doesn't jump for every pass receiver.

Why can't Crabtree be given the same amount of time to be judged as Smith?

he is in the first year of a new system and has battled injuries. He is improving and will only get better..

This is what I've been saying. Plus it's well documented WRs don't really break out till year 3 and this year IMO he broke out in a non pass heavy O. (not a knock on anyone) the dude can play
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
IMHO, Crabtree is okay but not playing up to his pick status. We need a all-hands, money, can get it done even when he's double-covered, and doesn't jump for every pass receiver.

Why can't Crabtree be given the same amount of time to be judged as Smith?

he is in the first year of a new system and has battled injuries. He is improving and will only get better..

This is what I've been saying. Plus it's well documented WRs don't really break out till year 3 and this year IMO he broke out in a non pass heavy O. (not a knock on anyone) the dude can play

Is this crabtree and his cousin starting to use a message board to get that contract.
[ Edited by TheGoldDiggerrrr on Jan 5, 2012 at 11:20 PM ]
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Need to upgrade OL depth and get a big tall WR #2 putting Morgan off the team.

We also need to upgrade TE #2 but I think our guy from last year that got injured will do fine.

Also, never draft for depth. draft for starters to replace or starters to move to the bench. that is how you get better.




Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
IMHO, Crabtree is okay but not playing up to his pick status. We need a all-hands, money, can get it done even when he's double-covered, and doesn't jump for every pass receiver.

Why can't Crabtree be given the same amount of time to be judged as Smith?

he is in the first year of a new system and has battled injuries. He is improving and will only get better..

This is what I've been saying. Plus it's well documented WRs don't really break out till year 3 and this year IMO he broke out in a non pass heavy O. (not a knock on anyone) the dude can play

Is this crabtree and his cousin starting to use a message board to get that contract.

If only


Also side note Ginn is one of THE MOST important people we need to bring back
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
To me fixing the WRs is easy lol just sign Bowe. He's a great WR. Pair him next to Crabs watch out!
I love Crabs as the number one he's like VD he can ball he just needs the damn ball.

Crabs #1
Bowe #2
Jmo/Kwill #3
Jmo/ Kwill #4
Teddy Ginn #5 ( situation threat)

To me that's a pretty decent lineup

I just don't know how easy it'll be to sign someone like that. Sure we look like a much more attractive option now that we're contenders, but can we afford him?

We already plan to extend Smith, so some money is gone there, and then we have a bunch of FA's that would be really nice to have back, such as:

OLB Ahmad Brooks
FS Goldson
CB Rogers
WR Morgan
WR Ginn
TE Walker
LB Costanzo
LB Grant
OG Snyder

Would not be surprised to see Grant go start somewhere else (he started in STL), and we might let Snyder walk (although I wouldn't care at all about that one. We've got developing guys and draft picks. Plus Chilo should be gone.) But still, about 6-7 of those players in that list are guys we definitely should hang onto. Bowe is going to want a BIG contract I'm sure, and there's no guarantee the Chiefs wouldn't franchise him.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Jan 5, 2012 at 11:25 PM ]
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
To me fixing the WRs is easy lol just sign Bowe. He's a great WR. Pair him next to Crabs watch out!
I love Crabs as the number one he's like VD he can ball he just needs the damn ball.

Crabs #1
Bowe #2
Jmo/Kwill #3
Jmo/ Kwill #4
Teddy Ginn #5 ( situation threat)

To me that's a pretty decent lineup

I just don't know how easy it'll be to sign someone like that. Sure we look like a much more attractive option now that we're contenders, but can we afford him?

We already plan to extend Smith, so some money is gone there, and then we have a bunch of FA's that would be really nice to have back, such as:

OLB Ahmad Brooks
FS Goldson
CB Rogers
WR Morgan
WR Ginn
TE Walker
LB Costanzo
LB Grant
OG Snyder

Would not be surprised to see Grant go start somewhere else (he started in STL), and we might let Snyder walk (although I wouldn't care at all about that one. We've got developing guys and draft picks. Plus Chilo should be gone.) But still, about 6-7 of those players in that list are guys we definitely should hang onto. Bowe is going to want a BIG contract I'm sure, and there's no guarantee the Chiefs wouldn't franchise him.

Also, payton manning would be the key addiction, I'm sure he feel honor to give gore a ring.
walker is a FA next year


obes whi i would really like back are:

brooks
rogers
morgan
ginn- although KW could take over would be nice to have him back though
costanzo
snyder- although we could get someone in draft (2nd or 3rd round)


i think priority is to lock up our own guys we only need 1 outside FA maybe a WR
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
To me fixing the WRs is easy lol just sign Bowe. He's a great WR. Pair him next to Crabs watch out!
I love Crabs as the number one he's like VD he can ball he just needs the damn ball.

Crabs #1
Bowe #2
Jmo/Kwill #3
Jmo/ Kwill #4
Teddy Ginn #5 ( situation threat)

To me that's a pretty decent lineup

I just don't know how easy it'll be to sign someone like that. Sure we look like a much more attractive option now that we're contenders, but can we afford him?

We already plan to extend Smith, so some money is gone there, and then we have a bunch of FA's that would be really nice to have back, such as:

OLB Ahmad Brooks
FS Goldson
CB Rogers
WR Morgan
WR Ginn
TE Walker
LB Costanzo
LB Grant
OG Snyder

Would not be surprised to see Grant go start somewhere else (he started in STL), and we might let Snyder walk (although I wouldn't care at all about that one. We've got developing guys and draft picks. Plus Chilo should be gone.) But still, about 6-7 of those players in that list are guys we definitely should hang onto. Bowe is going to want a BIG contract I'm sure, and there's no guarantee the Chiefs wouldn't franchise him.

Sadly your right I think he's outa our price range But it would be and easy fix I really want to find a way to snag 2 first rounders this year so we can take Kendall Wright and Ashon Jeefrey
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
walker is a FA next year


obes whi i would really like back are:

brooks
rogers
morgan
ginn- although KW could take over would be nice to have him back though
costanzo
snyder- although we could get someone in draft (2nd or 3rd round)


i think priority is to lock up our own guys we only need 1 outside FA maybe a WR


Ginn needs to be back for his return ability! If we lose him thats huge. It's not easy to replace one of the best return man in the game. I don't know how many times I said to myself man I love Ginn. The field position he gives us is phenomenal
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Sadly your right I think he's outa our price range But it would be and easy fix I really want to find a way to snag 2 first rounders this year so we can take Kendall Wright and Ashon Jeefrey

that would be awesome

like I've said many times if we get morgan back we have

crabtree '
morgan
KW

thats a solid core of WR we are just missing a big guy in RZ to take away attention from crabtree and more importantly VD in the RZ

crabtree is a great WR but lacks the elite size or speed to be a difference maker in the RZ
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by GorefullBore:
I think Dwight Jones or Peter Konz would do nicely for what we need. Shoot, if things roll our way we could have Jones and Konz, but that is probably unlikely.

i dont get the need for konz or any C we have goodwon hes been solid for us and is riding a 3 year contract

just get one down the road or one later in the draft to develop
also if im not mistaken dont we have a C in PS that played for stanford?

he's one of the better C prospects that has come out the past few years

Goodwin is not a long term answer
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