vernon davis jumping on deep pass routes

Back to VD jumping...
You may recall that Delanie also jumped when he caught the game-winning TD against Detroit. It slowed him down, almost enough to be tackled short of the goal line. This may indicate that receivers anticipate poor throws from Alex. Perhaps most receivers would do this after playing with Alex and his less-than-perfect accuracy. Still, jumping is wrong if not needed. Recognizing Alex Smith's less-than-elite quarterbacking, he is better than at least 22 other starting QBs.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by gamechanger:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

So how does that explain the better QB's with first year WR's or WR's they never worked with before?

49ers don't have the greatest talent at WR, but we do have a lot of talent overall at the position. We also have a running game where teams play 8 or 9 in the box. That makes it even easier to pass. Drew Brees has been playing extremely well since his 2nd year in the league. He also went through OC turnover and Head Coach turnover in his first 4 years.

This is a case by case situation but there are factors that involve Smith's limitations and that don't. For instance, QBs who have exceedingly strong arms can wait a bit longer for their guys to come open. This may be a big factor in helping young talented receivers succeed. On the other hand, if a team has been set for some years they can welcome a young guy in and include him with the vets.

Cruz (2nd year) is a good example of a young guy being successful. UDFA did not play much in 2010 due to hamstring. Why has he succeeded? Eli has been in the system for years with the same coach, a young burner comes in and does well in his second year. Who is Smith's Cruz? Williams? He didn't even get to the second team until injuries moved him up and now he is injured.

To put this in perspective, Jerry Rice was drafted 16th overall and caught 8 passes his first 8 games...not per game, but total. He finished with 49 total catches playing with the best QB in history. That was a great first year for a WR in those days but he was criticized for drops and lack of production. Every picture (or player) has a story.

Williams has Cruz-like talent. If he were on another team and used as an example of another QB doing well with him, the excuse would be that look at how good that team's WR's are in that Williams wasn't even able to crack the starting roster until injuries bumped him up.

To another post above about 1 or 2 WR's along with a TE. Brees only had Gates and 1 other slightly above average TE early on but he produced. Alex has had Vernon + another 1000+ WR but ALL of them suddenly diminished while Smith was their QB. I have listed the WR's who got 1000 yards the year prior to working with Alex Smith.

Also consider Delanie Walker, the brain of our receivers/tight ends. A coach like Belichick with Tom Brady would do wonders with this kid and his smarts. Harbaugh used him as a very effective key cog in our offense. Some of you only see their stats but don't see how dangerous these guys are or can be. To me, Alex is the only one holding these guys back as the evidence has been there every year with the actual talent around him.

Calvin Johnson? Why didn't Shaun Hill do with Calvin that Stafford did? Why did Hill only equal his stats he had with the 49ers with Calvin? QB's need to get the ball to, I can't stress this more, an NFL open receiver. Alex does not.

You continue to ignore the injuries. Calvin Johnson was injured during the year Hill had to take over. Which explains his lower numbers but still way better than anyone of our WRs. I'm done responding to you. You just don't get how injuries play a big part in production. Until you can get that part of it, your arguments are invalid. Btw how many big gains and touchdowns did penalties by kwame Harris and others did we lose out on?

So, this year, the excuse is injuries. What about Alex's first year with Crabtree, Vernon, Delanie and Josh Morgan? What about last year with Delanie, Vernon, Morgan and Ginn?

Do your homework, Alex didn't start the year we had on your first question. Yet Vernon went to the probowl and tied the TE TD record, mostly due to Alex hitting him in stride on deep passes. Last year we had coaches that had no clue, look at Sam Bradford this season, pretty similar to what happened here.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by gamechanger:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
So how does that explain the better QB's with first year WR's or WR's they never worked with before?

49ers don't have the greatest talent at WR, but we do have a lot of talent overall at the position. We also have a running game where teams play 8 or 9 in the box. That makes it even easier to pass. Drew Brees has been playing extremely well since his 2nd year in the league. He also went through OC turnover and Head Coach turnover in his first 4 years.

This is a case by case situation but there are factors that involve Smith's limitations and that don't. For instance, QBs who have exceedingly strong arms can wait a bit longer for their guys to come open. This may be a big factor in helping young talented receivers succeed. On the other hand, if a team has been set for some years they can welcome a young guy in and include him with the vets.

Cruz (2nd year) is a good example of a young guy being successful. UDFA did not play much in 2010 due to hamstring. Why has he succeeded? Eli has been in the system for years with the same coach, a young burner comes in and does well in his second year. Who is Smith's Cruz? Williams? He didn't even get to the second team until injuries moved him up and now he is injured.

To put this in perspective, Jerry Rice was drafted 16th overall and caught 8 passes his first 8 games...not per game, but total. He finished with 49 total catches playing with the best QB in history. That was a great first year for a WR in those days but he was criticized for drops and lack of production. Every picture (or player) has a story.

Williams has Cruz-like talent. If he were on another team and used as an example of another QB doing well with him, the excuse would be that look at how good that team's WR's are in that Williams wasn't even able to crack the starting roster until injuries bumped him up.

To another post above about 1 or 2 WR's along with a TE. Brees only had Gates and 1 other slightly above average TE early on but he produced. Alex has had Vernon + another 1000+ WR but ALL of them suddenly diminished while Smith was their QB. I have listed the WR's who got 1000 yards the year prior to working with Alex Smith.

Also consider Delanie Walker, the brain of our receivers/tight ends. A coach like Belichick with Tom Brady would do wonders with this kid and his smarts. Harbaugh used him as a very effective key cog in our offense. Some of you only see their stats but don't see how dangerous these guys are or can be. To me, Alex is the only one holding these guys back as the evidence has been there every year with the actual talent around him.

Calvin Johnson? Why didn't Shaun Hill do with Calvin that Stafford did? Why did Hill only equal his stats he had with the 49ers with Calvin? QB's need to get the ball to, I can't stress this more, an NFL open receiver. Alex does not.

You continue to ignore the injuries. Calvin Johnson was injured during the year Hill had to take over. Which explains his lower numbers but still way better than anyone of our WRs. I'm done responding to you. You just don't get how injuries play a big part in production. Until you can get that part of it, your arguments are invalid. Btw how many big gains and touchdowns did penalties by kwame Harris and others did we lose out on?

So, this year, the excuse is injuries. What about Alex's first year with Crabtree, Vernon, Delanie and Josh Morgan? What about last year with Delanie, Vernon, Morgan and Ginn?

i must say that i am surprised that a thread about vernon jumping to make catches has been hijacked by the crowd that loves to bash a 13-3 qb

Originally posted by gamechanger:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by gamechanger:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
So how does that explain the better QB's with first year WR's or WR's they never worked with before?

49ers don't have the greatest talent at WR, but we do have a lot of talent overall at the position. We also have a running game where teams play 8 or 9 in the box. That makes it even easier to pass. Drew Brees has been playing extremely well since his 2nd year in the league. He also went through OC turnover and Head Coach turnover in his first 4 years.

This is a case by case situation but there are factors that involve Smith's limitations and that don't. For instance, QBs who have exceedingly strong arms can wait a bit longer for their guys to come open. This may be a big factor in helping young talented receivers succeed. On the other hand, if a team has been set for some years they can welcome a young guy in and include him with the vets.

Cruz (2nd year) is a good example of a young guy being successful. UDFA did not play much in 2010 due to hamstring. Why has he succeeded? Eli has been in the system for years with the same coach, a young burner comes in and does well in his second year. Who is Smith's Cruz? Williams? He didn't even get to the second team until injuries moved him up and now he is injured.

To put this in perspective, Jerry Rice was drafted 16th overall and caught 8 passes his first 8 games...not per game, but total. He finished with 49 total catches playing with the best QB in history. That was a great first year for a WR in those days but he was criticized for drops and lack of production. Every picture (or player) has a story.

Williams has Cruz-like talent. If he were on another team and used as an example of another QB doing well with him, the excuse would be that look at how good that team's WR's are in that Williams wasn't even able to crack the starting roster until injuries bumped him up.

To another post above about 1 or 2 WR's along with a TE. Brees only had Gates and 1 other slightly above average TE early on but he produced. Alex has had Vernon + another 1000+ WR but ALL of them suddenly diminished while Smith was their QB. I have listed the WR's who got 1000 yards the year prior to working with Alex Smith.

Also consider Delanie Walker, the brain of our receivers/tight ends. A coach like Belichick with Tom Brady would do wonders with this kid and his smarts. Harbaugh used him as a very effective key cog in our offense. Some of you only see their stats but don't see how dangerous these guys are or can be. To me, Alex is the only one holding these guys back as the evidence has been there every year with the actual talent around him.

Calvin Johnson? Why didn't Shaun Hill do with Calvin that Stafford did? Why did Hill only equal his stats he had with the 49ers with Calvin? QB's need to get the ball to, I can't stress this more, an NFL open receiver. Alex does not.

You continue to ignore the injuries. Calvin Johnson was injured during the year Hill had to take over. Which explains his lower numbers but still way better than anyone of our WRs. I'm done responding to you. You just don't get how injuries play a big part in production. Until you can get that part of it, your arguments are invalid. Btw how many big gains and touchdowns did penalties by kwame Harris and others did we lose out on?

So, this year, the excuse is injuries. What about Alex's first year with Crabtree, Vernon, Delanie and Josh Morgan? What about last year with Delanie, Vernon, Morgan and Ginn?

Do your homework, Alex didn't start the year we had on your first question. Yet Vernon went to the probowl and tied the TE TD record, mostly due to Alex hitting him in stride on deep passes. Last year we had coaches that had no clue, look at Sam Bradford this season, pretty similar to what happened here.

In the last 3 years, Alex has started at least 11 games, so yes, he has started enough games. If Vernon went to the probowl, then wouldn't that debunk the theory of other QB's having that receiver that gets all the attention which allows more open throws to other receivers.

We had coaches that had no clue last year? Mike Johnson coached the offense most of the season. Alex, in 11 games had better averages than 16 games this year.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
So how does that explain the better QB's with first year WR's or WR's they never worked with before?

49ers don't have the greatest talent at WR, but we do have a lot of talent overall at the position. We also have a running game where teams play 8 or 9 in the box. That makes it even easier to pass. Drew Brees has been playing extremely well since his 2nd year in the league. He also went through OC turnover and Head Coach turnover in his first 4 years.

This is a case by case situation but there are factors that involve Smith's limitations and that don't. For instance, QBs who have exceedingly strong arms can wait a bit longer for their guys to come open. This may be a big factor in helping young talented receivers succeed. On the other hand, if a team has been set for some years they can welcome a young guy in and include him with the vets.

Cruz (2nd year) is a good example of a young guy being successful. UDFA did not play much in 2010 due to hamstring. Why has he succeeded? Eli has been in the system for years with the same coach, a young burner comes in and does well in his second year. Who is Smith's Cruz? Williams? He didn't even get to the second team until injuries moved him up and now he is injured.

To put this in perspective, Jerry Rice was drafted 16th overall and caught 8 passes his first 8 games...not per game, but total. He finished with 49 total catches playing with the best QB in history. That was a great first year for a WR in those days but he was criticized for drops and lack of production. Every picture (or player) has a story.

Williams has Cruz-like talent. If he were on another team and used as an example of another QB doing well with him, the excuse would be that look at how good that team's WR's are in that Williams wasn't even able to crack the starting roster until injuries bumped him up.

To another post above about 1 or 2 WR's along with a TE. Brees only had Gates and 1 other slightly above average TE early on but he produced. Alex has had Vernon another 1000 WR but ALL of them suddenly diminished while Smith was their QB. I have listed the WR's who got 1000 yards the year prior to working with Alex Smith.

Also consider Delanie Walker, the brain of our receivers/tight ends. A coach like Belichick with Tom Brady would do wonders with this kid and his smarts. Harbaugh used him as a very effective key cog in our offense. Some of you only see their stats but don't see how dangerous these guys are or can be. To me, Alex is the only one holding these guys back as the evidence has been there every year with the actual talent around him.

Calvin Johnson? Why didn't Shaun Hill do with Calvin that Stafford did? Why did Hill only equal his stats he had with the 49ers with Calvin? QB's need to get the ball to, I can't stress this more, an NFL open receiver. Alex does not.

How can say that Williams has Cruz like talent? Based off of what, did you come up with that statement? That first sentence just makes my head numb...

Shaun Hill's stats were not equal to what he did in SF... He only started 10 games in 2010 but was on pace for 4300 yards... I don't recall him doing anything like that in SF.

NFL OPEN RECEIVER?! Go back and look at Calvin Johnson's TD's and tell me how many times he's open... look at Cruz's big plays, look at what GREAT WR's do in this league. The difference between our WR's and a lot of the great ones... Colston, Johnson, Fitzgerald, Cruz etc... is that they make plays on the ball. The QB throws it up and they go get it, our WR are just as likely (or more likely) to drop a good pass than make a great one. Cruz last year as a rookie in pre season making plays on the ball... I suppose your gonna say these are great throws by Jim Sorgi and Rhett Bomar?

We don't yet have an elite WR... Crabtree is getting real close... I really like what he is doing and he may elevate himself to that level, but nobody else on this roster is close to being a great pass catcher. And if you don;t have a great player that you can throw the ball up to, you need mutliple good WRs which is what Brees had his first year - Bush had 88 REC. talk about check downs... plus Deuce McCallister, Colston, Joe Horn, Devery Henderson.

VERNON's jumping is just another example of him not being a great pass catcher.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by gamechanger:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by gamechanger:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

So how does that explain the better QB's with first year WR's or WR's they never worked with before?

49ers don't have the greatest talent at WR, but we do have a lot of talent overall at the position. We also have a running game where teams play 8 or 9 in the box. That makes it even easier to pass. Drew Brees has been playing extremely well since his 2nd year in the league. He also went through OC turnover and Head Coach turnover in his first 4 years.

This is a case by case situation but there are factors that involve Smith's limitations and that don't. For instance, QBs who have exceedingly strong arms can wait a bit longer for their guys to come open. This may be a big factor in helping young talented receivers succeed. On the other hand, if a team has been set for some years they can welcome a young guy in and include him with the vets.

Cruz (2nd year) is a good example of a young guy being successful. UDFA did not play much in 2010 due to hamstring. Why has he succeeded? Eli has been in the system for years with the same coach, a young burner comes in and does well in his second year. Who is Smith's Cruz? Williams? He didn't even get to the second team until injuries moved him up and now he is injured.

To put this in perspective, Jerry Rice was drafted 16th overall and caught 8 passes his first 8 games...not per game, but total. He finished with 49 total catches playing with the best QB in history. That was a great first year for a WR in those days but he was criticized for drops and lack of production. Every picture (or player) has a story.

Williams has Cruz-like talent. If he were on another team and used as an example of another QB doing well with him, the excuse would be that look at how good that team's WR's are in that Williams wasn't even able to crack the starting roster until injuries bumped him up.

To another post above about 1 or 2 WR's along with a TE. Brees only had Gates and 1 other slightly above average TE early on but he produced. Alex has had Vernon + another 1000+ WR but ALL of them suddenly diminished while Smith was their QB. I have listed the WR's who got 1000 yards the year prior to working with Alex Smith.

Also consider Delanie Walker, the brain of our receivers/tight ends. A coach like Belichick with Tom Brady would do wonders with this kid and his smarts. Harbaugh used him as a very effective key cog in our offense. Some of you only see their stats but don't see how dangerous these guys are or can be. To me, Alex is the only one holding these guys back as the evidence has been there every year with the actual talent around him.

Calvin Johnson? Why didn't Shaun Hill do with Calvin that Stafford did? Why did Hill only equal his stats he had with the 49ers with Calvin? QB's need to get the ball to, I can't stress this more, an NFL open receiver. Alex does not.

You continue to ignore the injuries. Calvin Johnson was injured during the year Hill had to take over. Which explains his lower numbers but still way better than anyone of our WRs. I'm done responding to you. You just don't get how injuries play a big part in production. Until you can get that part of it, your arguments are invalid. Btw how many big gains and touchdowns did penalties by kwame Harris and others did we lose out on?

So, this year, the excuse is injuries. What about Alex's first year with Crabtree, Vernon, Delanie and Josh Morgan? What about last year with Delanie, Vernon, Morgan and Ginn?

Do your homework, Alex didn't start the year we had on your first question. Yet Vernon went to the probowl and tied the TE TD record, mostly due to Alex hitting him in stride on deep passes. Last year we had coaches that had no clue, look at Sam Bradford this season, pretty similar to what happened here.

In the last 3 years, Alex has started at least 11 games, so yes, he has started enough games. If Vernon went to the probowl, then wouldn't that debunk the theory of other QB's having that receiver that gets all the attention which allows more open throws to other receivers.

We had coaches that had no clue last year? Mike Johnson coached the offense most of the season. Alex, in 11 games had better averages than 16 games this year.

Where are those coaches now and how much are they making? Isn't that how talent is measured? Cough Matt Cassel, cough Kolb, cough Nnhamdi

Originally posted by Joecool:
So, this year, the excuse is injuries. What about Alex's first year with Crabtree, Vernon, Delanie and Josh Morgan? What about last year with Delanie, Vernon, Morgan and Ginn?

So you are giving in for this year and want to change the conversation? I have to go see what the sun looks like so carry on!

Originally posted by kray28:
He looks like big ball of muscle with a little asscrack hanging out.

Sometimes you can be too muscular. He reminds me of Herschel Walker. That guy was packed with so much muscle it actually slowed him down. In Vernon's case, he has mediocre pass catching skills and mediocre agility and quickness as well. Very good straight line speed, but no so great body control or ability to change direction.

LOL. I always laugh when I see him get up, and the camera is on his back and Im just waiting for the whole room to yell "Crack Kills!"

Originally posted by Joecool:
So, this year, the excuse is injuries. What about Alex's first year with Crabtree, Vernon, Delanie and Josh Morgan? What about last year with Delanie, Vernon, Morgan and Ginn?

the problem is VD is constantly being doubled on all the teams you mentioned they haev at least 1 or 2 WR that can constantly take advantage of the one on one till recently (because of crabs injury)we had none in last 5 games VD is averaging 6-7 receptions while averaging just under 70 yards next year crabs (hopefully) will be healthy the whole season and we will add another legit target and get morgan back look at the numbers when morgan was healthy 5 receptions per game averaging 56 yards a game over 4 games clearly his bad strech this year was when both crabs and morgan were unhealthy at the same time we just simply didnt have anywhere to go