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vernon davis jumping on deep pass routes

Originally posted by skaw23:
Anyone who has played any form of receiver (WR, TE, RB) knows that the reason a player jumps to catch a football primarily are due to 2 things:

  1. The receiver does not trust their own hands
  2. The receiver is scared to be hit and/or injured
I know the second point has been made on this thread, but if you watch Vernon throughout the years, you can tell the issue is primarily that he does not trust his hands. Why? Because when there is no deep DB to hit Vernon and he still jumps up to catch the football, it has nothing to do with the possibility of being hit. There's no one to hit Vernon. He does not have good hands. I don't know if Vernon has small hands, so it's hard to criticize him for doing this.

But from a very basic, fundamental point of view, he needs to understand when you jump and when you don't. The perfect example of how ridiculous this can get is the picture posted by @cwilson830 vs the Rams. Hopefully VD and Crabtree are able to spend some time at training camp for once and they can exchange notes. He IS a hard worker and hopefully this is something he gets better at.

At the end of the day, catch the ball. There is no YAC if there is no catch, so if he's going to drop the ball with his hands, then so be it for now. We're in the playoffs; not something to criticize until March.

Originally posted by Shaj:
how is it some people here think VD doesn't have agility? Isn't agility the rate of change of speed? He has the unique ability to shift gears for someone his size, giving him a competitive advantage over both CBs and esp LBs, whichever have the dubious distinction of covering him. Not sure what these posters are seeing that I'm not.


Not necessarily. Agility is the ability to be nimble...moving quickly and lightly, not in one direction as a sprinter but more like dancing. VD may be many things but a dancer he is not. It is also related to flexibility where a player can twist and catch in awkward positions...again, not one of VDs strengths. Speed? Yes, he is very fast.

If you want to think of a great agile player think of Walter Payton, who once did a flip over a pile and landed on his feet in the end zone...no big deal he was a gymnast.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Shaj - I don't think they mean agility, etc - but I'd rather say hands ... I would like to get a receiver (TE or WR) with like Brent Jones-type hands.


That is on my wish list for the draft...a go to guy with glue for hands.
Originally posted by Shaj:
how is it some people here think VD doesn't have agility? Isn't agility the rate of change of speed? He has the unique ability to shift gears for someone his size, giving him a competitive advantage over both CBs and esp LBs, whichever have the dubious distinction of covering him. Not sure what these posters are seeing that I'm not.

They overanalyze him. He's one of the best TE's in the leauge. But they think he is TEH SSUUUXXOOORRSSS....


2009: 965 yards, 13 TD's.

2010: 914 yards, 7 TD's.

2011: 792 yards, 6 TD's. (double coverage in every game in 2011)

3 years total = 2,671 yards, 26 TD's.

3 year average = 890.33 yards per year, 8.67 TD's per year.

That's TEH SSUUUXXOOORRSSS... Wish we had a good TE.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They overanalyze him. He's one of the best TE's in the leauge. But they think he is TEH SSUUUXXOOORRSSS....


2009: 965 yards, 13 TD's.

2010: 914 yards, 7 TD's.

2011: 792 yards, 6 TD's. (double coverage in every game in 2011)

3 years total = 2,671 yards, 26 TD's.

3 year average = 890.33 yards per year, 8.67 TD's per year.

That's TEH SSUUUXXOOORRSSS... Wish we had a good TE.


Not over analyzing, as everyone (I think) believes he is a great player. Just missing the Brent Jones type of clutch hands when times are tight. I would compare VD to a fast WR in value + his blocking, making him an unusual match up nightmare. As stated before, I believe he will continue to work hard and be even better and I hope he does some of the Fitgerald type drills to help him improve adjustments.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Shaj:
how is it some people here think VD doesn't have agility? Isn't agility the rate of change of speed? He has the unique ability to shift gears for someone his size, giving him a competitive advantage over both CBs and esp LBs, whichever have the dubious distinction of covering him. Not sure what these posters are seeing that I'm not.

They overanalyze him. He's one of the best TE's in the leauge. But they think he is TEH SSUUUXXOOORRSSS....


2009: 965 yards, 13 TD's.

2010: 914 yards, 7 TD's.

2011: 792 yards, 6 TD's. (double coverage in every game in 2011)

3 years total = 2,671 yards, 26 TD's.

3 year average = 890.33 yards per year, 8.67 TD's per year.

That's TEH SSUUUXXOOORRSSS... Wish we had a good TE.

Perspective. TWO TE broke records this year, one was a 2nd year player. I noticed this was remarkably absent from your list of stats:

Drops: 18t Vernon Davis SF 6

Clutch TE statistically better than Davis are:

Jimmy Graham
Rob Gronkowski
Brandon Pettigrew
Tony Gonzalez
Aaron Hernandez
Jason Witten
Kellen Winslow

The point I'm making here is that saying he's the best TE in the league anymore and actually seeing the stats are two different things ....
[ Edited by NinerGM on Jan 2, 2012 at 10:35 PM ]
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They overanalyze him. He's one of the best TE's in the leauge. But they think he is TEH SSUUUXXOOORRSSS....


2009: 965 yards, 13 TD's.

2010: 914 yards, 7 TD's.

2011: 792 yards, 6 TD's. (double coverage in every game in 2011)

3 years total = 2,671 yards, 26 TD's.

3 year average = 890.33 yards per year, 8.67 TD's per year.

That's TEH SSUUUXXOOORRSSS... Wish we had a good TE.


Not over analyzing, as everyone (I think) believes he is a great player. Just missing the Brent Jones type of clutch hands when times are tight. I would compare VD to a fast WR in value + his blocking, making him an unusual match up nightmare. As stated before, I believe he will continue to work hard and be even better and I hope he does some of the Fitgerald type drills to help him improve adjustments.

He could use some Fitzgerald type drills to work on his hands. VD is not a natural pass catcher. So you will always have some drops. But the overwhelming amount of talent makes him easily WORTH IT despite an occasional drop.

What we need is a tall or fast WR with good hands. Braylon Edwards fizzled out to be a big nothing. Imagine if we had a tall, productive WR working the edges. Then the double teams would go away. And you would be looking at 13 TD's again and around 1,000 yards...
[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Jan 2, 2012 at 10:33 PM ]
imo he needs tow ork on his hands


but SD is right he will take advantage of the one on one any time and any day f the week

but in order for him to be one on one we gotta get a good WR in this offseason to take the coverage off of him
Originally posted by NinerGM:

Perspective. TWO TE broke records this year, one was a 2nd year player. I noticed this was remarkably absent from your list of stats:

Drops: 18t Vernon Davis SF 6

I'm thinking somebody has Tom Brady throwing to him....

I would throw to VD 10 times a game and live with a few drops. His talent level is rediculous. And his #'s would be even greater if we threw to him more.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by NinerGM:

Perspective. TWO TE broke records this year, one was a 2nd year player. I noticed this was remarkably absent from your list of stats:

Drops: 18t Vernon Davis SF 6

I'm thinking somebody has Tom Brady throwing to him....

I would throw to VD 10 times a game and live with a few drops. His talent level is rediculous. And his #'s would be even greater if we threw to him more.

he needs to learn to stop dancing and truck fools
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
imo he needs tow ork on his hands


but SD is right he will take advantage of the one on one any time and any day f the week

but in order for him to be one on one we gotta get a good WR in this offseason to take the coverage off of him

A big productive WR on the outside and VD's #'s would go from great to outright rediculous. If you couldn't double cover him and box cover him in the zone VD would be declared illegal he would be so unfair....
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by NinerGM:

Perspective. TWO TE broke records this year, one was a 2nd year player. I noticed this was remarkably absent from your list of stats:

Drops: 18t Vernon Davis SF 6

I'm thinking somebody has Tom Brady throwing to him....

I would throw to VD 10 times a game and live with a few drops. His talent level is rediculous. And his #'s would be even greater if we threw to him more.

also you cant doublt growk or jimmy graham

colston, meachem and moore on saints all take advantage of 1 on 1

and on patriots welker and hernandez take advantage of one on one

we just have crabtree (if that) and he was injured for a lot of the year
Originally posted by Shaj:
how is it some people here think VD doesn't have agility? Isn't agility the rate of change of speed? He has the unique ability to shift gears for someone his size, giving him a competitive advantage over both CBs and esp LBs, whichever have the dubious distinction of covering him. Not sure what these posters are seeing that I'm not.

Probably more like lateral movement
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by NinerGM:

Perspective. TWO TE broke records this year, one was a 2nd year player. I noticed this was remarkably absent from your list of stats:

Drops: 18t Vernon Davis SF 6

I'm thinking somebody has Tom Brady throwing to him....

I would throw to VD 10 times a game and live with a few drops. His talent level is rediculous. And his #'s would be even greater if we threw to him more.

also you cant doublt growk or jimmy graham

colston, meachem and moore on saints all take advantage of 1 on 1

and on patriots welker and hernandez take advantage of one on one

we just have crabtree (if that) and he was injured for a lot of the year

Crabtree is the only other threat we have. If we had more we would be rediculous. They couldn't just box Davis anymore. Then you would see what he can really be.