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vernon davis jumping on deep pass routes
Jan 2, 2012 at 8:29 AM
- highwayone
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Yeah, I was going to start a thread about this weeks ago. He does it all the time, it drives me nuts. He just needs to keep running
Jan 2, 2012 at 8:33 AM
- BubbaParisMVP
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Originally posted by BrianGO:
I think part of the reason he does this is because he is afraid of taking a shot to the knees.
Troy Polamalu injured him a few years ago after Vernon caught a pass without jumping. He caught it, turned around and got hit in the leg, injuring his leg.
That might be part of the reason he does that. Players don't want to even hit him high because he is so big and strong, so they always go for his legs.
Ah, that makes a lot of sense. Good memory there.
Jan 2, 2012 at 8:41 AM
- alpha81
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I've seen him jump on short passes too. I just think Nines have to trade this dude. Drops too many passes. Yea he had a good game yesterday but played against one of worst teams in NFL.
Jan 2, 2012 at 8:48 AM
- global_nomad
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I thought the pass along the sideline against the Rams was a bit under thrown, davis had to pull up to catch it. If it was out in front he would have scored.
Jan 2, 2012 at 8:52 AM
- dtg_9er
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Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
I think part of the reason he does this is because he is afraid of taking a shot to the knees.
Troy Polamalu injured him a few years ago after Vernon caught a pass without jumping. He caught it, turned around and got hit in the leg, injuring his leg.
That might be part of the reason he does that. Players don't want to even hit him high because he is so big and strong, so they always go for his legs.
Ah, that makes a lot of sense. Good memory there.
I agree with you Brian and have seen other receivers get into this habbit for the same reason. Some, like B. Lloyd, duck and cover after most catches. It's a bad habbit when the jumps are too early or unnecessary because he has to regather himself. As others have stated, he is not the most agile guy anyway so this impacts him more than it would a natural receiver.
He has really improved his catching and I would like to see him on the sidelines doing drills like Fitzgerald during games. He needs to have someone throw him balls that make him stretch and move quickly. He also needs to stretch and do some lighter workouts, less heavy lifting. Yoga, ballet, zimbra, whatever it takes. He is such a hard worker that I don't think he is topped out yet as a receiver.
Jan 2, 2012 at 9:00 AM
- 49ersalldaway126
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i thought he did this because its hard for him to catch the football while running- more to think about
where as if youre jumping all you have to worry about is catching it
seee rams game alex threw that 50 yard TD pass right in vernons hands he was running and dropped it
where as in past he allways used to jump on seam rotues to catch the ball
where as if youre jumping all you have to worry about is catching it
seee rams game alex threw that 50 yard TD pass right in vernons hands he was running and dropped it
where as in past he allways used to jump on seam rotues to catch the ball
Jan 2, 2012 at 9:08 AM
- Joecool
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i think jumping makes it easier to catch because when you leave the ground, your body isnt moving up and and down as it does while you are running. its like catching while standing still.
its a bad habit because your adjustment to the ball and what you can do after to catch it is limited.
its a bad habit because your adjustment to the ball and what you can do after to catch it is limited.
Jan 2, 2012 at 9:11 AM
- Wodwo
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Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
i thought he did this because its hard for him to catch the football while running- more to think about
where as if youre jumping all you have to worry about is catching it
seee rams game alex threw that 50 yard TD pass right in vernons hands he was running and dropped it
where as in past he allways used to jump on seam rotues to catch the ball
He never did strike me as the sharpest cookie in the deck.
To be fair, though... while he should have still caught it, that bomb in the endzone was a tough one because he went from full sunlight to shade while tracking the ball. That s**t can really f**k with your eyes.
He's improved over the years, so hopefully he continues to get better.
Arrow up!
Jan 2, 2012 at 9:19 AM
- dtg_9er
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Originally posted by Joecool:
i think jumping makes it easier to catch because when you leave the ground, your body isnt moving up and and down as it does while you are running. its like catching while standing still.
its a bad habit because your adjustment to the ball and what you can do after to catch it is limited.
I disagree! When your feet are on the ground you have a stable base and don't have to think about landing, body control, etc. The only player I can think of who might catch better by jumping was Walter Payton, because he was a tumbler in gymnastics. Of course, players are all different so perhaps he is using this to force concentration. It could be that, when you are in the air, there is less of a tendency to turn away early to make a move? Interesting...I wonder if he has been asked about this?
Jan 2, 2012 at 9:32 AM
- qnnhan7
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I think VD just need to slow it down a fraction just before he catches the ball. He has a lot of speed he uses to beat defenders and run under the ball. If he slow it down right before the ball gets to him. This gives him the time to spot the ball. Catch it with his eyes first then follow through.
Jan 2, 2012 at 9:44 AM
- 228niner
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he's not a natural pass catcher on deep routes, but i've seen some sideline catches where he doesn't jump so he may be ok if he works on it
Jan 2, 2012 at 9:46 AM
- crabman82
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lol @ the ppl who want to trade him, u would never get good value, marshawn lynch was traded to seattle for a 4th rounder as an example (i know they diff positions)
Jan 2, 2012 at 9:55 AM
- BobS
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I almost wonder if he should back off on the weights a little and drop some weight. The less you weigh the more agile and quick you should be.
Jan 2, 2012 at 10:36 AM
- 49ersnum1
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Vernon from 06-08 was just terrible to watch, young and unpolished, but NOWHERE near his potential... 09 was his best season, he was Shaun Hills go to guy, then when Smith came in, Vernon starting getting those big plays down the field and his hands look damn near perfect.. in 2010 he had a minor drop in production as far as catches and td's but still looked solid, this year he had alot more drops than in 09-10, but looks like he needs to work on his hands and routes to get back to that 09-10 form!!! I think both Crabs and Davis need to hit up Jerry and Clark and spend some time with them on and off the field... Crabs this second half of the season has been amazing, 43 rec 566yds 3td and next year will be a true threat and a pro bowl contender, lets not forget he's only 24?? and has battled a foot injury and missed all 3 camps and preseason
Jan 2, 2012 at 2:23 PM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:Originally posted by Joecool:i think jumping makes it easier to catch because when you leave the ground, your body isnt moving up and and down as it does while you are running. its like catching while standing still.
its a bad habit because your adjustment to the ball and what you can do after to catch it is limited.
I disagree! When your feet are on the ground you have a stable base and don't have to think about landing, body control, etc. The only player I can think of who might catch better by jumping was Walter Payton, because he was a tumbler in gymnastics. Of course, players are all different so perhaps he is using this to force concentration. It could be that, when you are in the air, there is less of a tendency to turn away early to make a move? Interesting...I wonder if he has been asked about this?
ever try catching a ball running at full speed as supposed to half speed? it is much harder to carch it running at full speed due to your body and leg movement. jumping stops all that extra movement and it is similar to catching on a standstill. but it limits what you can do after the catch.