Originally posted by Natewillis2252:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
I like how you took my last line as serious lol I was making the point of two extremes. Examples comparing his early career with SF and Philly to his last few teams hes played for are big differences. I think you made my point for me " Has TO calmed down in his old age? Of course he has. We all do." So with that said what else is there that bothers you with signing the guy? Is it his past with the 49ers and Eagles? oh wait you already mentioned that, he was in his 20's you cant compare someone in their 20's to their late 30's its not fair for one and if every job that you ever applied at put you under a micro scope and brought up things that you did in your 20's you would never get a job, as most people wouldn't. About Rice it wasn't always motivational, Bill Walsh just did a much more amazing job at making sure that his players comments didn't leave the locker room than Mariucci ever did, we didn't find out things till after Rice was finishing up his career, comments like I struggled my first year because of Bill's offense being so complicated, something that if Owens said would have been a big no no and blown up like he was disrespecting his coach. It almost seems like Rice cant keep it quiet even now lol. I have confidence in Harbaugh to make sure the locker room doesn't get out of control if Owens thinks that he can do what he did in SF (which he wouldn't) Harbaugh would squeeze his hand so hard Owens would fall over and die.
Thats kinda my point.
You CAN'T talk about TO and just throw away the SF and Philly "BS". THAT is the stuff that keeps teams from giving him a shot.
I know you didn't compare his ability to Irvin and Rice. Read what I'm saying. I'm talking specifically about their BEHAVIOR. People who really liked TO always wanted to paint him as "misunderstood" and that he simply talks to his teammates the same way Rice or Irvin did.
Rice and Irvin yelled at their teammates because they expected more from them. They could do that because their teammates knew there was never any malice behind it. Aikman and Emmitt LOVED Michael, drug habit and all. They knew where he was coming from. When he lit someone up on the sideline, nobody ever questioned where he was coming from.
Same with Jerry. Jerry could actually be an a$$ at times, but it was never because he "wasn't getting his". It was because he wanted to win and he would never accept less than 100% from anyone because he always put in his 100%. BTW...when did I question your Rice love?
TO, while he worked very hard and trained like a madman, was a DIVISIVE force. He didn't unite the locker room, he divided it. He was selfish. He made comments to the media berating his teammates (Garcia and McNabb come to mind) AND his coaches. That isn't being a teammate.
As for your final line....thats a load of BS. Saddam to Ghandi? Really?
A mass murderer and a dictator to a man who became famous for NON-violence. I didn't think you could be more wrong....but you proved me wrong.
Has TO calmed down in his old age? Of course he has. We all do. If you are a GM tho are you seriously going to take a chance on a great locker room by bringing in THAT guy for a playoff run? He was RELEASED in Dallas. Buffalo had no interest after ONE year. Neither did Cincy. Are you simply saying that poor Terrell has had bad luck and that all these other teams are just letting him go because of his age?
I didn't take it seriously. I just thought it was rediculous.
Look, its clear you have a FAR greater opinion of TO than I do. To me, he has ALWAYS been a "me first" player and I would NOT risk a guy with that rteputation in this current locker room. The risk/reward simply isn't worth it.
You just want to throw away what happened early in his career. Thats your right. If you think tho that GMs around the league don't take that into account, You're crazy.
Even if he has mellowed with age, that doesn't make him good in the locker room. It just doesn't make him as toxic as he was. Alot of that is simply because he's less relevant than ever before.
I know alot about TO. I know his past and where he came from. I understand what shaped that personality and I understand why peeps want to excuse that stuff or believe its all over. It even possible that he could be fine if he signed. Its not worth the risk tho. He's not worth it anymore.
He almost didn't get signed with anyone LAST year....and that was when he was healthy and in th offseason. Now, coming off and ACL and at the end of the year? No freakin' way.