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Alex Finishes In Last Place

Well, some interesting points from both sides of the spectrum. I am not a businessman like many of you are, but in medicine, it isn't how you get to the dx, but can you get there. Once there, can you then recommend the proper Rx?. In my publishing company, and as an author, it isn't how you do it, but can you do it? And finally, do people like what you produce? In our winery, it isn't how I make wine, it is whether it is good, or exceptional. It's exceptional and people buy it, tell their friends, etc. Did I make wine like the French do our or many neighboring winemakers? Probably not, but again it isn't how, but what is the final product.

Another way of saying this is that there is more than one way to skin a cat. Now, does a team with ST that gains 20-25 yds on every change of possession help the 49ers get to the ultimate goal? Of course. Does a D that leads league in 4 or is it 5 categories help the 49ers get to their ultimate goal...sure. Does an O with a Qb who has 5 INTs , not 15 or 20, but fewer TDs help the 49ers get to their ultimate goal...yup. As noted above, alex is not calling the plays... roman, or ultimately Coach H is, and if this is his choice, who am I to complain about a 12-3 team , headed for 13-3? Is that enough to get past Rodgers and an ailing OL and poor D? Or Brees and an also poor D? I dunno, but we shall find out. Also we don't know yet what is coming out of the O if we play Saints or GB. But i do know this. Right now, with the OL we have, not much different than before, they can protect alex for a grand total of 2 seconds. Go back and look at film from this yr, use a stopwatch and you will see maximum time alex has is 2 seconds. If he rolls out then he has 3, maybe 4 seconds. So this isn't so much what alex is doing with his passes, because there are so many other things, starting with Coach H that dictate what alex does. OL is a really important factor too. WRs , with little time spent with alex, need at least a full yr more so everyone is on same page.

So shaj , it seems to me, tho I understand your premise, that alex is doing as he is coached to do. Is it enough to advance? Don't know, but will be interesting to see. I look for better OL protection next yr, more mid to deep passes with that good protection, but as for now, Coach is calling what he thinks his OL can protect for....ie, 2 seconds. Which means that your hypothesis has more to do with the OL, Coach, ST and the D than it does alex.

Just my thots.
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Why do we have to subject to what others are doing?

Why can't the Niners be in contention by doing it the "old school" way?

Is it because Green Bay and New England decided to use what they have as an advantage?

Why should the Niners not be considered in contention by using what they have?

No team has a defense like ours. No team has a Special Team unit like ours. The way we use those 2 parts is to use our Offense in a very safe way, not putting our defense in bad positions to have an opponent score. Instead of flinging it, take time off the clock by running, have our defense rest, and play conservative so nothing bad happens.

It's worked, it's brought us to 12-3, the same record as the Patriots, and the same as the Saints if they win tonight.
Originally posted by kray28:
Alex throws the safe pass...always. Check out some of his side line throws.

He hates throwing over the middle too...that's where a ton of INTs happen. Slants....fuggetaboutit. That's why we should be throwing at least 3-4 a game....but average maybe one slant every 2-3 games.

Pbbbbth. lol. Last year the haters (im sure you were one) were saying that Alex was only able to throw over the middle, and that hated throwing to the sideline. So which is it? Eventually people are gonna figure out that most of you haters really aren't all that "football smart" and hopefully, start ignoring your opinions.

This offense is actually pretty damn good. We almost always win the time of possession and field position battles. We get into field goal range on most of our possessions. We keep our defense on the sideline WAY better than in past seasons. We need to improve red-zone efficiency, but we are still scoring a decent amount of points... and WE'RE 12-3. NONE of you haters would have EVER predicted that. Every f**king week its some new BS reason to justify your alex hatred... BUT it's getting really old. Alex is performing above ALL of your expectations, and you all need to STFU and eat crow. Safe passes win games. Taking what the defense gives you and being safe with the football WIN GAMES. I know all you fancy-smancy types like seeing lot of points go up and get your cocks hard for hair plugs and aaron rogers, but this team is playing complete football and WINNING.
Originally posted by Fitness49:
I appreciate your input, Shaj. Having been from corporate America, I understand your inference. I am new on the site here, and am shocked at the confrontational behavior/responses. Is this the norm here?

Yes this is the norm if you say anything about wanting improved play from our QB position (Alex Smith). Its wrong for some us fans to want better then a 29th ranked passing attack that averages 1 td pass a game. All we get is ridicule and insults for this.
Its laughable trying to make comparisons when all of the variables and I mean all, are entirley different. Its the exact same thing with stats the variables are not the same so the compararisons cant be made. Thats why when it comes down to it, its all about wins and losses nothing else.
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Fitness49:
I appreciate your input, Shaj. Having been from corporate America, I understand your inference. I am new on the site here, and am shocked at the confrontational behavior/responses. Is this the norm here?

Yes this is the norm if you say anything about wanting improved play from our QB position (Alex Smith). Its wrong for some us fans to want better then a 29th ranked passing attack that averages 1 td pass a game. All we get is ridicule and insults for this.

It's also the norm to think that one guy is the problem our passing game isn't doing so well for some posters. They don't seem to understand that while they keep comparing our qb to the great ones they can't do the same with the guys catching the ball from our qb.
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Fitness49:
I appreciate your input, Shaj. Having been from corporate America, I understand your inference. I am new on the site here, and am shocked at the confrontational behavior/responses. Is this the norm here?

Yes this is the norm if you say anything about wanting improved play from our QB position (Alex Smith). Its wrong for some us fans to want better then a 29th ranked passing attack that averages 1 td pass a game. All we get is ridicule and insults for this.

That's because the basis of your argument is rooted in the devaluing of Alex Smith. Smith has proven many to be dead wrong, and yet you cling to cherry picked statistics.

The team is 29th in passing because they're 31st in passing attempts. When you look at yards per attempt, the 49ers are a respectable 16th in the NFL. The team ranks 10th in passer rating.

If improved play from the Quarterback is based off scalable statistics like yards and touchdowns, you're mad at the wrong guy.

lol at a thread about having the fewest INTs in the league and a few people using that as ammo for how he sucks.


"he doesn't throw his receivers open, that's why he doesn't throw INTs." Are you f**king kidding me.
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Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Fitness49:
I appreciate your input, Shaj. Having been from corporate America, I understand your inference. I am new on the site here, and am shocked at the confrontational behavior/responses. Is this the norm here?

Yes this is the norm if you say anything about wanting improved play from our QB position (Alex Smith). Its wrong for some us fans to want better then a 29th ranked passing attack that averages 1 td pass a game. All we get is ridicule and insults for this.

That's because the basis of your argument is rooted in the devaluing of Alex Smith. Smith has proven many to be dead wrong, and yet you cling to cherry picked statistics.

The team is 29th in passing because they're 31st in passing attempts. When you look at yards per attempt, the 49ers are a respectable 16th in the NFL. The team ranks 10th in passer rating.

If improved play from the Quarterback is based off scalable statistics like yards and touchdowns, you're mad at the wrong guy.


This.

But it will be ignored and met with several eye rolls and "Alex Smith is the reason we are not undefeated."
Originally posted by Shaj:
yes, that's correct. I was trying to be fair about it, rather than extrapolating that he could increase TD's by more than 2x. It's a contrarian type logic, because low INTs are a generally considered a good thing, but one also has to look at the tradeoffs.

Its generally a good thing to throw a minimal amount of interceptions unless your Alex Smith. If it were Rodgers, Brady, or P. Manning the analysts would be praising them on how careful and accurate they are with the ball.

With Alex it is because he is only a game manager and lets his defense win games.

I am not denying the fact that Alex is not in the category of the above three, but it is funny how numbers can be skewed to make one's argument or point.
Originally posted by NINERFORLIFE12:
Originally posted by Shaj:
yes, that's correct. I was trying to be fair about it, rather than extrapolating that he could increase TD's by more than 2x. It's a contrarian type logic, because low INTs are a generally considered a good thing, but one also has to look at the tradeoffs.

Its generally a good thing to throw a minimal amount of interceptions unless your Alex Smith. If it were Rodgers, Brady, or P. Manning the analysts would be praising them on how careful and accurate they are with the ball.

With Alex it is because he is only a game manager and lets his defense win games.

I am not denying the fact that Alex is not in the category of the above three, but it is funny how numbers can be skewed to make one's argument or point.

I'm finding that many posters who base their arguments on stats more often than not have no argument at all.
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Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
I'm finding that many posters who base their arguments on stats more often than not have no argument at all.



I used statistics to argue that Alex was better than people thought last season.

Stats are fun.
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Originally posted by NINERFORLIFE12:
Its generally a good thing to throw a minimal amount of interceptions unless your Alex Smith. If it were Rodgers, Brady, or P. Manning the analysts would be praising them on how careful and accurate they are with the ball.

With Alex it is because he is only a game manager and lets his defense win games.

I am not denying the fact that Alex is not in the category of the above three, but it is funny how numbers can be skewed to make one's argument or point.

Nice... Completely agree. Here is the biggest problem I have with people who have a problem with our offense... THIS style gives us the best chance of beating the Pack. This is just smart football... I don't get people who argue that we should be different. Great passing stats don;t typically equate to super bowl wins... I want to pass when we need to, and control the game as we have all season long.
Originally posted by Wodwo:


I used statistics to argue that Alex was better than people thought last season.

Stats are fun.

and i bet you got flamed.......doesn't matter people will always find new ways to hate, or want more production, or whatever the new pc phrase synonymous with hate is. Just watch the damn games, give credit where it's due, lay off the stats bottle and just enjoy the success. Impossible for some.
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Fitness49:
I appreciate your input, Shaj. Having been from corporate America, I understand your inference. I am new on the site here, and am shocked at the confrontational behavior/responses. Is this the norm here?

Yes this is the norm if you say anything about wanting improved play from our QB position (Alex Smith). Its wrong for some us fans to want better then a 29th ranked passing attack that averages 1 td pass a game. All we get is ridicule and insults for this.

I actually think that "some of us fans" really want something else. Actually, by this time, it is patently obvious.