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Week 14: Thoughts after re-watching the game....

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Stop. You're both right. The D should never have allowed those long plays, but the O was in position to score enough points for it not to matter.

People have a right to gripe about the offense, but when the offense itself acknowledges its shortcomings, I don't think fans should gripe when the offense knows this. I could totally understand it if the offense was waving off those shortcomings.
Originally posted by AZ9er:
Good post! Lets hope the team gets healthy week, they are going to need all hands on deck if they hope to beat the Steelers

Agree. Ready to move on to Monday night! Go 49ers
Originally posted by NCommand:
Another observation I had was the lack of Ray Lewis-effect. When the Ravens played us, their first game without Ray Lewis, they played FOR him, no doubt; he was on the sidelines cheering, pumping up his players, guys stepped up and claimed responsibility/leadership. When I watched this game without Willis, I didn't see the leadership, guys stepping up, just saw Willis standing there on the sidelines looking sour, etc. When we get into the playoffs, we will be facing teams with experience IN the playoffs, true leaders, etc. Where are our leaders?

I think the leadership is the head coach. If the head coach isn't on his game, our players are not going to pick it up. They just aren't used to it.
Originally posted by lssanjose:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Stop. You're both right. The D should never have allowed those long plays, but the O was in position to score enough points for it not to matter.

People have a right to gripe about the offense, but when the offense itself acknowledges its shortcomings, I don't think fans should gripe when the offense knows this. I could totally understand it if the offense was waving off those shortcomings.

LOL. I didn't actually mean stop.

I just meant that it wasn't JUST the O and it wasn't JUST the D....both were flawed and they share the blame.
We lost this game because our Defense gave up more than 12 points.
I give you credit for watching that again. Once was plenty for me. Good insights. Thanks.
edwards is useless

i can't believe we are 10-3 with 2 good receivers and nobody else to show for. and we barely started fitting williams into the gameplan as well
Originally posted by YungAce:
edwards is useless

i can't believe we are 10-3 with 2 good receivers and nobody else to show for. and we barely started fitting williams into the gameplan as well

I'll be honest with you....re-watching a BAD game is actually better than re-watcing a good one.

When you re-watch a bad game you almost always realize it's not as bad as you thought. You already know the outcome of the game so you can be more emotionally detached. I wanted to throw something at the TV on first viewing, but upon second viewing I was able to see what went well and WHY the O is struggling.

When they win, I almost always see it the other way. I se all the stuff they missed. The stuff they left on the field that could have made a 26-0 score a 40 burger.
JoeC, prior to AZ game we were # one in tackles at point of first impact (or something like that) .Sure we made the tackles here, Grant had 14 of 'em. But point is,
we missed p-52...way worse than I figured. It didn't look that bad, but there were scads of missed tackles at first point of contact. p-52 doesn't miss. He sticks and takes 'em down. That we didn't have, as well as his flying around about 2 feet off the ground covering rt to lt sideline in a heartbeat. I hope he stays out a long time because if he comes back early, that hammy is going to either recur, or make him way less effective than he is at full throttle.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
JoeC, prior to AZ game we were # one in tackles at point of first impact (or something like that) .Sure we made the tackles here, Grant had 14 of 'em. But point is,
we missed p-52...way worse than I figured. It didn't look that bad, but there were scads of missed tackles at first point of contact. p-52 doesn't miss. He sticks and takes 'em down. That we didn't have, as well as his flying around about 2 feet off the ground covering rt to lt sideline in a heartbeat. I hope he stays out a long time because if he comes back early, that hammy is going to either recur, or make him way less effective than he is at full throttle.

Yeah...but it wasn't Grant who missed those tackles. It was the safeties who couldn't bring Fitz down.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Dec 12, 2011 at 4:31 PM ]
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
JoeC, prior to AZ game we were # one in tackles at point of first impact (or something like that) .Sure we made the tackles here, Grant had 14 of 'em. But point is,
we missed p-52...way worse than I figured. It didn't look that bad, but there were scads of missed tackles at first point of contact. p-52 doesn't miss. He sticks and takes 'em down. That we didn't have, as well as his flying around about 2 feet off the ground covering rt to lt sideline in a heartbeat. I hope he stays out a long time because if he comes back early, that hammy is going to either recur, or make him way less effective than he is at full throttle.

There were some that I don't think Willis would have deflected but his speed sure as hell would have closed fast enough to make a tackle. There was a reason why they began attacking that middle.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by YungAce:
edwards is useless

i can't believe we are 10-3 with 2 good receivers and nobody else to show for. and we barely started fitting williams into the gameplan as well

I'll be honest with you....re-watching a BAD game is actually better than re-watcing a good one.

When you re-watch a bad game you almost always realize it's not as bad as you thought. You already know the outcome of the game so you can be more emotionally detached. I wanted to throw something at the TV on first viewing, but upon second viewing I was able to see what went well and WHY the O is struggling.

When they win, I almost always see it the other way. I se all the stuff they missed. The stuff they left on the field that could have made a 26-0 score a 40 burger.

I'll most likely catch the replay but thank for the review marvin. I look forward to it every monday
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Originally posted by YungAce:
I'll most likely catch the replay but thank for the review marvin. I look forward to it every monday
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Re-watched it as well as I have all season... Larry wasn't bad but he did have a few missed tackles... the biggest was along with Goldson on the Fitz pass over the middle that get an extra 30 yards because of that. I would agree he was pretty solid against the run and even made a few nice plays but in coverage and over the middle we could have used Patrick. There are a few plays/scrambles I would have liked to see what Patrick would have done.

Ray McDonald missed about 5 sacks on Skelton. Not exaggerating either.. he spun out of a few, side stepped one.... Aldon missed one as well. Had him around the legs.. seriously, guys Skelton isn't Vick. It was sad but props to Skelton.

Edwards injury filled season pretty much derailed any hope of him being that #1 playmaker we need. He is out of sinc and at times looks not into it but he isn't the only one. A lot of half assed efforts at times... VD blocking at times, guys not sticking with their blocks or standing around watching plays. P.S. At 1st Edwards seemed like a team 1st guy and now guys are starting to bicker... Crabtree looked unhappy after his great block to help Gore get a TD.... Spencer talking down VD before half, Edwards...

More slants... they were working all day...

Try a fricking screen... I get it we typically don't do them and never really did them well but can't be any worse than running every time on 1st or 2nd down and making it 2nd/3rd and 13 every time. So many times we went backwards.

I wish we would go shotgun once in awhile since the OL can't block/gets confused as heck on who to block during blitzes. I would say the biggest problem with our sacks is not getting beat man up it's getting confused when they send guys. We had 2 blocking one rusher while another 1 comes free many times. Roman seems stubborn... at times he is a genius and at others it's like Singletary is whispering what play to call in his ear.

Yeah, more Kyle Williams, less Ginn. Ginn at times has done some nice things but save a spot for him as a return specialist/ emergency WR (next year).

More misdirection on runs...also, at times we pull too much clogging up lanes... especially in the red zone.... try a pass out of jumbo....

Also, what is up with the confusion... snapping the ball with around 3 seconds every time.... wasting TO's and then getting a delay after a TO... that's preseason bull crap.
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Dec 12, 2011 at 4:50 PM ]
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Re-watched it as well as I have all season... Larry wasn't bad but he did have a few missed tackles... the biggest was along with Goldson on the Fitz pass over the middle that get an extra 30 yards because of that. I would agree he was pretty solid against the run and even made a few nice plays but in coverage and over the middle we could have used Patrick. There are a few plays/scrambles I would have liked to see what Patrick would have done.

Ray McDonald missed about 5 sacks on Skelton. Not exaggerating either.. he spun out of a few, side stepped one.... Aldon missed one as well. Had him around the legs.. seriously, guys Skelton isn't Vick. It was sad but props to Skelton.

Edwards injury filled season pretty much derailed any hope of him being that #1 playmaker we need. He is out of sinc and at times looks not into it but he isn't the only one. A lot of half assed efforts at times... VD blocking at times, guys not sticking with their blocks or standing around watching plays. P.S. At 1st Edwards seemed like a team 1st guy and now guys are starting to bicker... Crabtree looked unhappy after his great block to help Gore get a TD.... Spencer talking down VD before half, Edwards...

More slants... they were working all day...

Try a fricking screen... I get it we typically don't do them and never really did them well but can't be any worse than running every time on 1st or 2nd down and making it 2nd/3rd and 13 every time. So many times we went backwards.

I wish we would go shotgun once in awhile since the OL can't block/gets confused as heck on who to block during blitzes. I would say the biggest problem with our sacks is not getting beat man up it's getting confused when they send guys. We had 2 blocking one rusher while another 1 comes free many times. Roman seems stubborn... at times he is a genius and at others it's like Singletary is whispering what play to call in his ear.

Yeah, more Kyle Williams, less Ginn. Ginn at times has done some nice things but save a spot for him as a return specialist/ emergency WR (next year).

More misdirection on runs...also, at times we pull too much clogging up lanes... especially in the red zone.... try a pass out of jumbo....

Also, what is up with the confusion... snapping the ball with around 3 seconds every time.... wasting TO's and then getting a delay after a TO... that's preseason bull crap.

Skelton is HUGE. Thats why they were having trouble with him. It wasn't because he was elusive. It was because the guy is a freakin giant.

As for Ginn...I'm kinda torn. I see some potential there and I'd like to see him in the game, but I do agree that Williams should be the #2.