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The BIG RUSH...and what to do about it.

Nice post jdt and true. Montana, Brady, Peyton can/could run those quick hitters all day long, and sure enough, someone bites, and it is off to the races.

Wally and Tohara, thanks.
Well, we are less than 24 hrs from seeing the BIG RUSH once again. Anyone who just saw Rivers beat the living tar out of a team that cremated us with the BIG RUSH, the Ravens, saw them get whopped up side of the head. And by what? Well, how about the answer for our game plan against Pitts, the snap it and sling it answer. That's right, that is exactly what Rivers did to beat the Ravens. He got his passes off in under 2 seconds. AND he had his receivers looking at him the second they left LOS. THAT is how we beat the Steelers, and coincidentally keep alex from getting planted. Also, on D, SD played tight on WRs, and really bumped the Ravens coming off LOS, and that screwed up their routes. It also is what we need to do to the Steelers while we are on D. And finally, for heaven's sakes, Coach H, please call your own O and D calls. You are way better than the guys you hired to do what you are ultimately responsible for. You are fully capable of making your own calls, O and D, and like they say, if you want it done right, do it yourself.

You can teach alex to throw the ball in under 2 seconds, and you can call way better plays than we currently are seeing. But you have to have the WRs sign off on looking for ball the moment they leave LOS. Do it coach...please?
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Well, we are less than 24 hrs from seeing the BIG RUSH once again. Anyone who just saw Rivers beat the living tar out of a team that cremated us with the BIG RUSH, the Ravens, saw them get whopped up side of the head. And by what? Well, how about the answer for our game plan against Pitts, the snap it and sling it answer. That's right, that is exactly what Rivers did to beat the Ravens. He got his passes off in under 2 seconds. AND he had his receivers looking at him the second they left LOS. THAT is how we beat the Steelers, and coincidentally keep alex from getting planted. Also, on D, SD played tight on WRs, and really bumped the Ravens coming off LOS, and that screwed up their routes. It also is what we need to do to the Steelers while we are on D. And finally, for heaven's sakes, Coach H, please call your own O and D calls. You are way better than the guys you hired to do what you are ultimately responsible for. You are fully capable of making your own calls, O and D, and like they say, if you want it done right, do it yourself.

You can teach alex to throw the ball in under 2 seconds, and you can call way better plays than we currently are seeing. But you have to have the WRs sign off on looking for ball the moment they leave LOS. Do it coach...please?
Please let it be so.. GET RID of the ball super fast..! NINERS!!
  • mayo49
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We need another rushing OLB opposite Aldon. But, Brooks is good enough until we find one.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup...mixing in some hurry-ups, more actual WCO plays (utilizing TE's, go to a spread, quick slants, crossing patterns, WR/RB screens, etc.). Right now we are letting defenses dictate us. Period. And on defense, we are not dictating their offenses.

well said
Great thread...which I had not seen until this morning! Great post Pasodoc and I hope, as you do that Harbaugh brings a little imagination to the playcalling.

Harbaugh has said that Roman calls the plays through him. In other words, Roman talks to Harbaugh and Harbaugh talks to Smith. This may be too cumbersome. Still, the Stanford O tended to be incredibly disciplined and they did not waste time getting into the huddle. The 9ers need to speed up the game and take time from the D as has been mentioned.

Particularly in the Red Zone the team needs to show urgency and perhaps go with the no huddle.
Blitz recognition is a must first by the offense. Starting with Smith, the offensive line, the running backs, and the receivers. Then the coaches have to put in a scheme that is understood and executed well by all of them. They can calm down the defense with screens, no-huddle, slants, etc. here and there through out the game, but the fundamental of executing and beating the blitz is still the same. They have to make defense pay for blitzing. Next time they blitz, you throw a TD. Even the best of offense won't be able take advantage of it every time, but a couple of big plays on a blitz will be a back breaker for the defense especially late in the game.
Does anybody know why Bill Walsh invented the West Coast Offense? It was bred out of necessity. The 49ers had a terrible offensive line and Walsh needed a way to minimize that weakness so he developed the short passing game which is just as effective as a running game. The only problem with that is that we are 10-3 and in the playoffs and the West Coast Offense takes 2-3 years to really install. To shut down a pass rush, the 49ers need to throw to where the blitz is coming from and use quick timing passes. If a linebacker is blitzing off of the edge throw the ball out there because his zone is now open. If a corner comes on a blitz throw it to his side. The defense takes a gamble on each blitz that the defender will make a play before the quarterback. For the most part, the defenses have been right against Smith. The offensive players have a huge advantage in football and that is they know where they are going. The defenders do not know. So short timing patterns need to be utilized more.
Its a matter of play calling. If they are blitzing then the blitzers are leaving an area unprotected. The Niners need to exploit that. Screens and running outside slows down a blitz. Draw plays right now are not working due to the defenses overloading the box. O line needs to step up and start playing some football again. The no huddle is fine but we change players on almost every down. Everyone needs to remember we have won the west and are 10-3 and our losses were not blow outs, we could of very easly won all three of them. The team is defiantly better and is going to get better.
OLine has to grow some Balls tonite and man up in pass protection, then make em pay during run blocking. Im thinking this is going to be a slugfest anyway, so we need to dominate early and not play catch up. We are not built to comeback against great defenses!!
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
THANK YOU FOR THIS POST!

This is the most level-headed post I've read about the AZ game. Pitsburg will use the same blitz packages and often.

Agree
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup...mixing in some hurry-ups, more actual WCO plays (utilizing TE's, go to a spread, quick slants, crossing patterns, WR/RB screens, etc.). Right now we are letting defenses dictate us. Period. And on defense, we are not dictating their offenses.

does anyone have thoughts on why we dont do these? i would bet its not because harbaugh+roman dont know about it. so is it possibly that the 49ers are just not built that way - as in
- to run screens one needs the o-line to be able to fake out the defense and allow a slow rush to get the qb and the qb throwing accurately over the top of d + o-linemen - which when i've seen alex smith do it failing quite a bit
- to run quick slants - the qb must be extremely accurate (which i'm not sold on a.smith yet about - and no completion % is not the only stat that speaks about a qb's accuracy)
- etc

i wonder if a.smith is really holding back the team and signing him up for a long term basically assures us offensive mediocrity and as a result playoff mediocrity for a long time
1) Hard Counts- Find the blitz
2) Find 1 on 1 coverage should be towards the Blitz but doesnt have to be if its zone run hole routes to replace line backers
3) Center needs TO TALK, find out who has mike and tackles in blocking scheme
4) Screens to Gore and Hunter
5) Brings up my other point we keep Gore in a lot to protect and he does a great job BUT he needs to block and release at times (It creates check downs)
6) Get our TEs more involved in the passing game (They create big mismatches)
7) Keep the ball away from Polamalu
8) Dont be so predictable and spread the field more (More than just 3 man routes)
9) Run a hurry up offense (Gives mismatch problems and is hard for D to substitute players)
10) Give Staley or Davis help on the edge dont be afraid to line an extra blocker to their side (Just dont do it all the time)
Hard counts may not work and reading the blitz may not be possible. I noticed with the Ravens, and other Ds, that they have LBs and DBs jumping in and out at the line but there is no way to tell which will actually blitz and which will drop. They wait for the snap and then rush or back pedal quickly so that the QB and receivers have to watch them drop before knowing for sure where the shallow coverage will be.

If this is the case then the QB has to have options already in the given play (something Harbaugh has talked about) so that he can dump the ball off quickly as necessary. So far the dump offs have been dropped, hit receivers in the back or hip, and sometimes been thrown into the ground (whether on purpose or not who knows?). I would agree with those who want Crabtree and Williams to be the hot receivers every down because they tend to have the best hands. Unfortunately, they are also not the type of receivers who are big and sturdy for the short routes...Edwards and VD would be the best targets but neither has excelled this year.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Dec 19, 2011 at 5:19 PM ]
Alex will need to throw fast with 3 step drops. This is the perfect game for Davis and Walker, but problem is Alex hasn't been on point with them.

Williams in the slot could be the key.
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